Are plot twists just cheap parlor tricks to keep plebs entertained? Can a book be intellectually stimulating and still utilize a device such as a traditional plot twist?
>>9312568
Yes. Yes.
>>9312568
The Portrait of a Lady
>>9312568
The whole appeal of a plot twist is that it's mentally stimulating. A good plot twist takes information and events from throughout the story that you thought you understood and recontextualizes them all at once so they make even more sense than they did originally. In other words, it's based on the thrill of learning and discovering new things. I also wouldn't call them cheap since they're difficult to write well. You have to hit a perfect balance between plausibility and unpredictability. You have to leave the reader saying "Of course, I should have known!" without actually making it obvious enough for many readers to get it in advance of the reveal.
The blind man can experience it; the deaf man can experience it; it transcends aesthetics; it transcends internal logic.
Even the gods themselves couldn't care less about their own respective domains of control, and would rather look upon their creations as amusing little playthings. Tragedy is seen as comedy within the overarching all-encompassing nature of reality.
Dark humor is the kinoest.
I talk about the dark humor because it is the kind with the least consensus, contrary to the genre burlesque or grotestque.
You have a disrespect towards a thing (which makes you laugh) which is, in itself, not funny for most people, and even worse, a thing which is a pain for the person bearing the hardship. This is disrespect towards a sacred thing by somebody not involved. Ex: a famous massacre from WW2: the german soldiers cooked the local baker in his oven. The germans were hysterical. this is funny. It is so sad, that your indignation becomes coated in the ridiculous. Sometimes we can find sadism as well in a laugh. With dark humor, you trace a frontier between the event and your self. This is a revolt. If the sad person manages to have a laugh at his predicaments, it only shows a strong personality IMO.
Nonetheless, you can find a notion of respect as well. Let's recall that a (dis)respect always implies a step back, a distance, from a thing, of the person showing respect to that thing. The previous paragraph talked about a layer of humor tacked on some tragic, some horror, some misery. Some call this the bitter laugh instead of a dark humor. In other words, we attach a seriousness to the human condition, to the life, to the universe but choose to laugh about it. With the bitter laugh, we elevate ourselves from the reality for The reality is a serious business beforehand.
By the new definition of a dark humor, on the contrary, we could say that the reality is absurd, an absurdity that we cannot grasp in full and even bear.
There are two cases: to laugh when we should whine, to whine when we should laugh.
On the one hand, with the bitter laugh, we can laugh from something, but instead we should have cried about it. On the second hand, we cry about something whereas we should laugh about it, we should mock the reality, the human destiny. The tragic does not exist, it was mystification from the outset. This is the entry point of the respect.
As someone who spends most of my time either being or consuming things that are on SUCC levels of irony, I feel like I'm fucking sick of comedy and just want serious stories so I can feel like a real person again.
>>9312490
is that what comedy looks like
if so then it is not
What is the best dictionary for reading purposes?
>>9312433
I'm an OED man, doctor.
as a companion to reading, id say a little one, so you can keep it next to you and use it as a quick reference
if you're american, get the american heritage dictionary
if you're british, get oed
Any /econ/ students here?
What field are you studying? What school of thought does your school prescribe?
Developmental macro here, studying primarily Post-Keynesian theory (MMT in particular).
Any good reads lately?
I forgot to add:
Neoclassicals not welcome
>>9312373
can you cliffnote mmt? iv heard a lot of people criticise it heavily.
Long ago I minored in econ.
>What field are you studying
I favored international macro and finance, didn't specialize beyond that.
>What school
In my humble opinion only hacks and useful idiots sum up their views as being from "such and such" school of economics desu. Science has no room for ideological footsoldiers.
>Any good reads lately?
"Who Gets What and Why", "Narconomics", and when I feel trollish I go back and read "The Black Swan".
Is this comic actually /lit/ material, or is it just an overstretched meme?
>>9312335
everything is a fucking meme now dude just enjoy what you enjoy and fuck everyone else. We're all gonna kill ourselves when we hit 30 anyway
not /lit/ but worthwhile art nonetheless. comics aren't literature, they're their own medium, and there's nothing wrong with that. moore in general is GOAT.
>>9312335
it's pretty great, yeah it's a comic but that just means you have to have a somewhat shifted set of sensibilities when you try to dig into it. Look at subtle stuff just like the framing and how the panels will complement eachother through chapters and stuff
>dude we fight with flowers and some hoes appear
>i have told you that i am christ
really? how did you meme me into reading this?
I think Harry Potter would be more to your liking.
>>9312324
so you cant refute eh?
>>9312319
It starts getting good during the 4th reread.
>As a HS I read Socrates' Apology and the Symposium.
>Years later, I decide I need some philosophy in my life so I go out and buy The Republic.
>Realize I don't understand shit about it.
>Buy the Illiad and the Oddyssey.
>Ok this is pretty cool but I'm not sure I get it, I finish them anyways.
>Then read the Republic and 8 more of Plato's books thinking I "get them"
>Read history book.
>Realize there was tons of stuff I didn't get while reading the Illiad that would have made it a much better experience.
>Start reading Hesiod.
>This makes me realize I didn't even get the history book I read, Homer's works or Plato's works for that matter.
>Start reading book about the presocratics philosophers.
>Even deeper realization about how much shit I missed on Plato's books, but also notice that reading Plato was essential to understanding the earlier thinkers.
Is philosophy nothing but an endless loop of realizing how clueless you were a week ago?
>>9312265
Yes
>>9312265
Who are you quoting?
>>9312270
My thoughts.
Is it insane to think that ancient philosophy and postmodern philosophy agree in many ways regarding the rejection of modernity? Medieval too.
western philsophy maybe, but youre completely rejecting the european/african philosophies who embraced modernity with open arms
what are your opinions of 15th century taiwanese/bophadese philosophy Anon?
>>9312247
It's not insane. In fact, it's right.
>>9312294
I'm only 26 and too attractive to bitches to become a true philosophical wizard. I read mostly anglophone or translated. Slightly proficient in Latin.
Greentext movie trailers for films that do not exist
>dude walks into a /lit/
>woah i can post whatever I want here heeee
>fucking sharpie in pooper
>fucking foot licking dick licker
>fucking ass
Post more of her
>>9312223
Wow mommy I need some milky and maybe a little pussy okay
>>9312220
Go read nabokovs essay on why dostoevsky is shit and get back to me, pleb
*blocks your path to god's glory*
>>9312233
Nabokov is trash.
>read The Iliad without having read Greek history and mythology
>>9312103
I'm doing that right now but there are notes at the back so it's okay
That's fine, you can figure it all out through context clues anyways
>>9312103
>read Paradife Loft before Greeks or the Bible
Why does this exist?
>>9312032
You posted it.
Geez. Read this instead.
>>9312032
So they don't grow up to be wageslaves like you
>>9312032
Written by a gay Jew. Why am I not surprised?
You have to go back.
Just finished pic related; I liked it, but I didn't quite understand the point of the aliens... was there a deeper meaning besides just representing the escapism of a broken soldier? Any other thoughts about the book?
>>9312011
There's always fucking aliens in his books.
>>9312011
Read The Sirens of Titan now.
Poo-too-tweet?
Why do girls pretend to like David Foster Wallace?
Why do boys pretend to like David Foster Wallace?
>>9312015
I don't pretend. I actually enjoy his work.
Why does David Foster Wallace pretend to like David Foster Wallace?
can someone explain to me why continental philosophy still exists? Kant's problems are analytic, Hegel's work is either outdated or has been taken up by the pittsburgh analytics, Heidegger and phenomenology have been proven wrong by countless analytic philosophers, Marx had good ideas but there's no reason to be a "Marxist" or keep them in their original form, Nietzsche/Sartre/Kierkegaard are good writers but there isn't any reason to use their frameworks to interpret the contemporary world. In the past 100 years they haven't managed to contribute anything substantial to philosophy except emphasizing that philosophy will never achieve its goals and that history and context are important. It seems to me as though analytic philosophers are the only philosophers attempting to resolve problems and ask new questions. I'm not saying that one shouldn't be knowledgable about the history of philosophy but why would one choose to enter the field of contemporary continental philosophy?
Can someone explain to me why algebra still exists? I mean we have calculus now....
>analytic philosophers are the only philosophers attempting to resolve problems and ask new questions
...such as?
inb4 tripfag comes to complete this dumpster fire of a thread.