What a bullshit. It had a decent beginning but now it's painful to read.
I also have a paper book of Norvegian Wood, but I dropped it after twenty pages.
Does this author have anything decent or should I not waste my time on him anymore?
>>9602838
What made you drop Norwegian Wood? Clarify why you are reading him, and maybe someone could give a proper answer to whether you should continue. Or if you just want the meme answer: this man in my country etc.
>>9602941
I dropped it for a time, not completely. But now I'm questioning myself if I should come back to it because of the clusterfuck The Wind-Up Chronicle has turned into. Why he keeps introducing new characters when there are only 100 pages left? Why these flashbacks from the past? Why those May Kasahara's stupid letters? It feels very inconsistent.
Norwegian Wood is his only good book imo, but it's actually pretty decent.
did DeLillo write anything good besides Underworld and White Noise?
>>9602714
I enjoyed Great Jones Street recently.
Underworld wasn't something I'd recommend. He did it better in White Noise on fewer pages. His sentences are beautiful in Underworld but the story is shit.
>>9602714
Rattner Star, Point Omega, Libra
>>9602732
This is dead on, and therefore an indication of reliability. To GJS I'd add Libra and Mao ii. Just checked Zero K out of the city library..
So we beat on, boats against the current, borne back, ceaselessly into the past
DUDE AMERICAN DREAM IS A LIE LMAO
>>9602465
But is it tho?
>>9602461
It's not. The book got big because of a gubbermint contract putting "war editions" with soldiers in the trenches, anon.
I would literally give my left nut (really healthy, by the way, heavy producer) if Paul Thomas Anderson adapted Blood Meridian.
I was watching The Master and the beginning where Freddy is sort of jumping from job to job getting into fights really reminds me of the beginning of this novel. The Master in general has lots of parallels, strong enough to be intentional. Also, the desolate desert landscapes of There Will Be Blood and his insistence to use Jonny Greenwood for every movie now doesn't hurt.
>>9602457
>Orson Welles never got to adapt Heart of Darkness like he dreamed
sad
>>9602670
at least we got Apocalypse Now
>>9602457
The sad thing is that Hollywood directors seem to have some sort of "demarcation" when it comes to adapting popular authors: the Coens with McCarthy (which I guess Ridley Scott kind of violated with The Counselor which turned out to be bad incidentally), David Cronenberg with Don Delillo, and now PTA with Thomas Pynchon.
You know what I think PTA really should do? Infinite Jest in a mini series, because he was taught by David Foster Wallace. Though PTA's devotion to cinema seems absolute. He has little interest in it, I think.
How long does it take you to read a book?
Of course it depends, but in general, how many pages per hour?
>>9602272
I only red 10 pages a day. I use about an hour total on 10 pages.
alright my dude
There is no "in general"
Some books take you 2 minutes a page, some take you 30 minutes
"Books must be read as deliberately and reservedly as they were written" -Thoreau
Why has nobody made a film or a (decent) game adaptation yet?
Because it's be impossible to do with any decency without a budget several times that of the LotR movies and the source material just isn't very good to begin with.
But thankfully that's not enough to deter Sony so we can look forward to a half-assed tv series anyway.
>>9602248
>those proportions
>>>14 BOOKS
>implying that this isn't the definitive perfect society
>implying Platos foresight wasn't flawless
Communist crap, kys.
haha good one dude well meme'd, its funny because every totalitarian state run by a philosopher king (Italy under Mussolini, China under Mao, Russia under Lenin, Stalin) has been absolute and utter shit
>>9602110
>he didn't read the other dialogues
Hello, /lit/
I need a book to read. Any suggestions?
I'm a huge Orson Welles, 1985 is my favorite book ever.
Also, pic unrelated.
>I'm a huge Orson Welles
MWUUUAAAHHHHH
What I like is how much of a legacy meme this is. I mean a meme like this would never make it in the doggy dog meme environment today, it would just be an unremarkable blip in a sea of shitposting.
>>9602177
you've got to be kidding. i don't wish to play double's advocate, but this kind of meme is a diamond dozen. we /lit/izens often put our false morality on a petal stool like a bunch of pre-Madonnas, but you seem to be taking something very valuable for granite.
make my words, when you get down to brass stacks it doesn’t take rocket appliances to get two birds stoned at once. it’s clear that, sometimes, you just have to swallow your prize and accept the fax, instead of making a half-harded effort. You might have to come to this conclusion through denial and error but I swear on my mother’s mating name that when you put the petal to the medal you will pass with flying carpets like it’s a peach of cake.
it's just common sense
how shit is it going to be /lit/?
>>9602092
Can't be as shit as a white trash faggot bitching about muh niggers in muh King films.
>>9602092
average action schlock movie, but shit compared to the book
>>9602097
why would you assume that's the problem I have with it?
>Aestheticism (also the Aesthetic Movement) is an intellectual and art movement supporting the emphasis of aesthetic values more than social-political themes for literature, fine art, music and other arts. This meant that Art from this particular movement focused more on being beautiful rather than having a deeper meaning - 'Art for Art's sake'.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aestheticism
If an aesthete is someone who believes in art for art's sake, then what is the term for someone who believes in art for politics' sake?
Is this a binary or are there other possible 'sakes' for art (and if so what are they)?
>>9601977
>then what is the term for someone who believes in art for politics' sake?
avant-garde
>just got done reading some catholic history
>read it as asceticism
I'm such a cuck
>>9601977
>then what is the term for someone who believes in art for politics' sake?
a stupid faggot
Do you prefer first person perspective or third person perspective in literature? What is your reason? Are there any particular reoccurring themes, tropes, quirks, or styles you dislike in these points of view?
I personally don't like using contractions in third person PoV because it makes prose look strange to me, especially if it's the writing is dealing with serious topics.
Pic unrelated.
God I love that cat.
primo pic op
as for the q, depends of course ;^)
I prefer third person past tense for "serious" literature and first person present tense for "plebeian" literature. If I'm reading a serious work, I want to focus on character development/ideas explored by the book and not the plot, so I don't want an unreliable narrator getting in the way, while if I read pleb fiction it's going to be for the emotional impact, which first person present tense is easier to resonate with.
Why do some young people think they have to be alone to be strong? Any books on this?
>>9601823
If you take the "any books on this" off of the post, it would belong on /r9k/. Shit cross post attempt.
>>9601823
The Knowledge Illusion by Steven Sloman is a pretty good case for why nobody really thinks alone.
>>9601823
Few things are truly necessary. Those who depend on others for everything life do tend to be insufferable, however. They always speak of places and experiences they piggy-backed off of someone else's largess. The only thing worse than not actually earning anything you receive in life is rubbing others' faces in it.
As proof, I present the entirety of instagram and facebook.
This book was absolutely the biggest waste of time I have had reading fiction in my 50 years as an avid reader. It is verbose, aimless and pretentious. Does McCarthy spend most of his waking life looking for obscure words to dazzle us by? Some are not even available in the dictionary. How obtuse. I can't believe he was awarded the Pulitzer prize. I will admit that occasionally there were passages of good writing (few and far between), but to compare him to Melville and Faulkner is an insult.
An overly cerebral and extravagantly nebulous account of a warped and sinister group of men wandering around the southwest creating mayhem
>>9601821
>An overly cerebral
found the problem
>>9601857
T. Mcarthapologist
>>9601821
>This book was absolutely the biggest waste of time I have had reading fiction in my 50 years as an avid reader.
durrr I am over half a century old and still opt for overly dramatic hyperbole like a little neville durrrrrrrrrrr
fuck off
Do you guys ever read a book, understand almost nothing of it, and feel kind of refreshingly aware of your own total fucking stupidity?
It's kind of an interesting experience. It's sort of like learning, except really, you can't call it learning, because you haven't understood anything. You've just kind of realized how spectacularly stupid you are. Which I guess is learning.
I feel enlightened. So this is education.
that's me trying to read Kant, Evola, etc
>>9601735
I feel like that every time I try to read a computational genetics paper.
Civilization and Its Discontents
Which translation of Don Quixote is best, and why is it Tom Lathrop?
>>9601601
>Which translation of Don Quixote is best?
Pierre Menard.
These threads are always ridiculous. A /lit/izen actually reading a novel is a minor miracle. A /lit/izen reading multiple translations of a novel is pure fantasy.
>>9601601
Bump
I am getting Don Quixote for a close friend soon as a gift.
I read the Penguin Classic John Rutherford translation, I thought it was great especially the poems.
Does anyone have any input? Any arguments for each translation?