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>he frequently thinks of scenarios where he's a famous public intellectual who's actually influencing the course of events of politics and of history itself
>he frequently thinks of book titles for future books that he will begin any day now
>he frequently reads classic authors and thinks that it's nothing special and he could create something much more profound if he only spent a couple hours writing each day for a few years
>he frequently calls out the irrational behavior of others but has shit health, habits, and neurotic tendencies
>he hates it when people claim they're "enjoying life" and that "happiness exists" when he claims to know for certain that life is an unceasing exercise in some intangible notion of self-flagellation
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i read the commitments series by roddy doyle too OP. your picture needs more trumpets
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>he has long-term goals and high aspirations, and isn't content to line up at the trough and eat the slop like the rest of the pigs
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>he is unhappy because of the things he has done to himself
>he knows how to change things but doesn't bother because he lost his will to change somewhere when he self-inflicted depression on himself
>he believes that there will come a turning point, from within him or outside force, that will change him
>he believes that literature is making him smarter, and therefor sadder
>he doesn't see the correlation between his self-inflected misunderstanding and genuine hate of other's happiness

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What are some good short stories/novellas that you would recommend?
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What is a novel that is full of violence, obscenity, action, suspense, comedy, and horror?
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this is not a good thread
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>>9604223
The Neckless by Maupassant
the horla by Maupassant
La Peur by Maupassant
White nights by Dostoyevsky
a dream of a ridiculous man by Dostoyevsky
The Nose by Gogol

There are many.

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Just read the headlines:

> "Reality Winner" accused of leaking NSA file on Russian hacking

> United States President mining for Uranium in Grand Canyon

> Canadian cuts lawn as tornado looms

> Giant Nose Terrorizes London Streets

> War Machine sentenced to life in prison

> Harvard rescinds admissions over memes

> Attendees of Bilderberg conference dodge press as secretive meeting ends

I'll be damned, Pinecone. You are prescient.
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>>9603835
We are living in a Pynchon novel
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Good, hopefully I'll start getting laid more often now.
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>>9603835

Donald Trump is already the Pynchonest thing to ever happen.

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How did greek mythology get so specific? Most of it follows simple deification of reality and the elements, but some things like "the castration of Uranus" just blows me away.

Then Uranus had more children by Gaia: the TITANS. But Gaia, who had never accepted the fate of her former children, persuaded the TITANS to attack their father, and for that purpose she armed Cronos with an adamantine sickle. And when the opportunity came, all TITANS except Oceanus attacked him, and Cronos cut off his father's genitals, throwing them into the sea behind his back, some say at Cape Drepanum in Achaea. From the drops of Uranus' flowing blood which fell upon earth, the ERINYES were born, and the GIANTS, and those NYMPHS called MELIADS. The genitals that Cronos threw away were first swept away over the sea a long time, but finally, from the white foam which spread around them, Aphrodite was born.
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>>9603801
Well, it evolved from a variety of sources and influences in order to provide a metaphysical/existential background to human existence updated to the times they were living in. It's not like "Greek Mythology" was an isolated pantheon to whom people started attaching stories: the theme of monosandalism (eg. Oedipus, Hephaestus), for example, with its implications of demi-humanity and communication with the afterlife/inhuman, has evolved coherently across millennia from the steppe of Central Asia to Scythia to Athens to Subsaharan Africa; everytime, it took on the form and the names most adapted to the place "it" (this cultural theme/practice) found itself living. Same thing with this myth featuring parricide, geographical etiology and the common theme of the (de)generation of woman from the One Pure sex of the male (cfr. Artaud's Heliogabalus).

In short, start reading intellectual/religious histories of the Mediterrenean area and the "Ancient World". I recommend Carlo Ginzburg and Ernesto De Martino as authors on the theme.
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>>9603801
>>9603852
Still not as good as Warhammer 40k
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>>9603801
Read Maps of Meaning

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> begins with childhood and youth as a hustler in Boston
> dealing drugs, smoking weed, Billie Holliday, jazz, eventually gets arrested for burglary
> becomes well-read in prison, is introduced to the Nation of Islam by his relatives
> "according to the honourable Elijah Muhammad..."
> cue tin-foil hat conspiracy about how white people were manufactured for evil by a mad scientist who made black people breed with lighter toned people and it was also how chinese people were created
> white people went to live in caves for a couple thousand years and Elijah Muhammad was there too btw
> btw Moses was there and you can't say he wasn't there because nobody really knows if Moses was there because his books are gone therefore he was there
> muslims in Mecca have done a bad job of not being muslim enough

Holy shit. Anyone else read his book?
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It's a pretty good book, OP. Keep in mind, he does say "according to" rather than he literally believes in it. Stories, especially religious stories, don't necessarily need to be believed word for word, but they're meant to convey and epitomize why the religion believes in it.

The stuff about every white man being a white devil kind of gets my goat (I know 4chan isn't a good example but I do know white people who have hearts of gold) but that's kind of a staple for members of the nation of Islam (plus, he wrote it and followed the beliefs at a time when black people didn't have equal rights either - I'd probably call someone out nowadays if they called me a white devil but back then there was enough reason).
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>>9603326
>I'd probably call someone out nowadays if they called me a white devil but back then there was enough reason
What a despicable boomer cuck attitude. You should be ashamed of yourself.

There's a reason this guy was promoted as America's black militant puppet over Farrakhan, but it has more to do with what he *didn't* talk about, and it's nothing you're going to read about in a book you probably only bought to virtue signal with.
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>>9603326
>be white in civil rights era
>vote to help blacks get equal rights
>get called white devil by blacks

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now that the dust has settle, what is the consensus on this piece of shit?
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reactionary shit. only popular cause shes hot

i didnt read it but you know
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>>9602730
>a 21-year-old girl understands the world

Yeah, I'm not reading this.
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>Buy this book before the liberals ban it

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write something your mother wouldn't like
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>>9602717
I hate you, mum.
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God's real Mum, and there WILL be an afternoon waiting for you. One does not simply 'die and get put underground.' I hope you realize this in your later years.
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>>9602774
afterlife* fucked that up

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Hello sister its me Gregor
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>>9601992
If you were still Gregor you'd know the best thing for everyone would be for you to leave this board and never come back. Do it for your family. We can't stand having you around.
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>>9601992
hey I just finished reading the metamorphosis for the first time a couple minutes ago
that said this post sucks
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>>9601992
Gregor, you look different. Did you get a haircut?

It's a Donna Tartt thread.

I finished The Secret History and it was as comfy as shilled on /lit/.

Is Henry's strain of autism the most potent ever documented in literature?
What all do you imagine went down during the bacchanal?
Was Charles just paranoid or was Henry trying to kill him?

I do wonder about the decision to reveal in the prologue that Richard never "incur[red] a blink of suspicion". As a result there is a huge section in the middle of the book with very little sense of jeopardy or mystery. The strength of the character interactions carried it through but before the animosity between Henry and Charles began to grow it felt a bit like reading a 300 page epilogue.

We can discuss The Goldfinch too if you like. You're not allowed to talk about The Little Friend because I have not read it,
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>The sun came suddenly from behind a rain cloud, flooding the room with glorious light that wavered on the walls like water.
>Camilla's face burst into glowing bloom. A terrible sweetness boiled up in me. Everything, for a moment – mirror, ceiling, floor – was unstable and radiant as a dream. I felt a fierce, nearly irresistible desire to seize Camilla by her bruised wrist, twist her arm behind her back until she cried out, throw her on my bed: strangle her, rape her, I don't know what. And then the cloud passed over the sun again, and the life went out of everything.

How does Donna understand the male mind so well?
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>>9601563
huh
really makes you think
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Bump. I know there are Secret History fags lurking.

I've encountered the criticism that much like how Henry manipulates Richard by appealing to his intellectual vanity, the novel, with its references and quotations and general literariness, gets the reader on side by making you feel smart for enjoying it. I don't agree but it's a nice thought.

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Is Nick Land the Nietzsche of our times? Why do only we appreciate him, /lit/?
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>>9597528
Why doesn't he have a wife and kids?
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>>9597538
pretty sure he does
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He does though. Obviously he doesn't talk about them much on his blog, that wouldn't be very safe.

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I'm visiting NYC soon. Best /lit/ related locations to visit? Best bookstores?
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>>9597182
The Strand or by any of the colleges/universities. Also visit public libraries.
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NY sucks go to philly
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Why are all the trees dying :(

Is it because of global warming?

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I am a philosophy student, will get my degree next year (maybe). I suffer from depression and social anxiety, been on meds for almost 10 years.

Tomorrow I will start reading St. Augustine Confessions, I won't be reading this work for philosophical reasons, but for existential ones. My question to you is: will my life be changed?

I'm not a christian btw.
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>>9596720
Take the redpill instead, retard. Books are for fags and philosophy for numales
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>>9596720
Covert to catholicism you faggot.
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No, but do report back later

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Who (if any) do you think is right here? Explain why.
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donald, because he's less black
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>>9595923
>the size of his beak lips
>less black
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>>9595919
>something is the product of a natural process that is reducible to materialist terminology
>therefore idealism is wrong
Shiggy diggy. I recently saw a documentary about the medieval mindset. One distinguishing aspect of this mindset was the fact that people resorted to naturalist descriptions and explanations of certain events (e.g. a solar eclipse) and at the same time held these events to be divinely inspired and miraculous, foreshadowing certain developments. We would be doing good of reminding ourselves that while the scientific method allows us to further our utilitarian understanding of the world (we are after all a race of engineers as Dostoevsky put it), there are certain elements to existence that are mythically beyond our rational grasp.

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where do you go? places to avoid or check out? recent finds?
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For any münchener krauts on here, behind Marienplatz (in die nähe vom Kuhbrunnen) There's a small Oxfam that sells only books. Pretty okay. Other than that, there's a CD, Records, Books and More on the Sendlinger Tor. Other than that, I don't know any second hand book stores. Somebody help me.

Why are germans so absolute fucking dogoshit at having second hand stores? They're a fucking nightmare to find, and 75% are used clothes stores. All I want is to buy a box of somebody's trash, why is this so fucking hard? I'm in hell.
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>>9594588
In New York, I go to the Book Culture store on 112th street between Broadway and Amsterdam. They have their used books upstairs, which is also just a cool place to browse or meet people or hangout or whatever. Sometimes they have events there, like free wine and cheese on Fridays or something, I don't really know for sure. I found a first english edition of The Sailor Who Fell From Grace With the Sea there, which was published before his "coup" attempt and suppuku, so that was neat. It has a big picture of him smiling on the back cover.

Also the Strand is good I guess though I've only been there once or twice.

In Ann Arbor I got a bunch of books from a used book store that was close to campus, within a few blocks west of state street. I don't remember if it was the Dawn Treader or another. I got a collection of Gogol stories and I Claudius and Claudius the God there, plus other stuff I don't remember. I might have gotten an old edition of the Master and Margherita there too.
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I think I went to this one usually when I was in Ann Arbor.

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What did you think about this?

I like it and The Dark Half the most out of his works.
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>>9589768

I really love reading about Captain Trips laying waste to the world. Even after, the novel is pretty entertaining.

King is a faggot for using chocolate smudges from a Payday bar as a plot device, when Paydays aren't fucking chocolate.
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>>9589768
Worth reading. It would have been the pinacle of post apocalypse fiction if it were not for the ending .
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>>9589789
King can't write an ending to save his life.

That said it was pretty enjoyable.

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