>and then he said he prefers a literal translation over an artistic one
How are these mutually exclusive, exactly? The King James Version is one of the most autistically literal translations of the Bible, and it is also the most artistic.
Hi Lit
I am a complete /lit noob.
What are the first 50 books I should read?
To put it into perspective, I just finished reading 1984. I have just begun dracula.
I am reading on the bus when I go to and fro work.
I read lord of the flies & brave new world in school, so no need for those ones.
Beyond these, I haven't literally read nothing.
So give me your most basic 50-100 books to give me a decent base to work with!
>>7615572
Good on you friend! This is a decent list http://www.theguardian.com/books/2003/oct/12/features.fiction Basically just read the ones you've heard of first, then come back her when you want advice for more.
You have to show that numbers mean something to you when you can finish something, not much different from eating at a buffet.
>>7615581
thanks! this looks like a good starting point.
desu i feel like my mind is fucking pleb tier since i haven't read anything
What non-literary book did you admire a lot for its page-turning qualities, ones that best evoke the feeling of mystery, thrill and suspense.
My personal favourites were Forsyth's Day of the Jackal (about an assasin) and Clancy's Hunt for Red October (techno-thriller about Soviet submarine defecting). The problem is these are from the pre-internet era when people had longer attention spans and had to read novels in flights, trains, lonely evening when there was nothing to watch on tv, etc. So I am looking for something more contemporary.
My purpose is to learn how to write fast-paced, sometimes scar and thrilling scenes from the present crop of masters.
tl;dr
>Which novel/author gives you the thrills?
>Why?
James Patterson
Sebastian Faulks. Read Birdsong.
>Thank you for sending me a query letter describing your work. After careful evaluation, I have decided that I am not the right agent to represent your work. I can only properly represent materials that greatly excite or interest me. Since this is such a subjective business, I am sure another agent will feel quite differently about your work.
>I wish you the best of luck finding representation with the right agent and good fortune with your writing career.
Goddamnit....this is about my 15th one of this, and shit I'm getting depressed.
Guess that "homage to Finnegans wake" didn't pan out did it
>>7615376
Not even close to anything finnegans wake related. Actually it's probably more commercial fiction than anything.
How many dick pics did you include in your query letter?
In fear of not being taken seriously here,
is the point at the end of text messages a thing of the past - I feel it's actually discouraged and considered impolite
>>7615355
The point, you mean punctuation?
>>7615355
Use it to fuck with minds. Punctuation is superior.
You may look like a cold, boring person on a couple of messages but people get used to it rather quickly.
Why can't i find any work of Edgar Julius Jung on digital format?
Because his his main work was translated by Alexander Jacob for a small press and costs like 150 dollars for each volume. I believe he has a few essays in the Weimar Republic Sourcebook. Additionally there is an unpublished phd by some guy who did a study about him floating around on the net if you can find it.
Written too late for public domain, too early and too niche for commercial ebooks
I'm trying to read stuff that is genuinely independent of my culture. What suggestions do you guys have?
So far, I've read the Egyptian Book of the Dead, the collected writings of Han Fei Zi, and the Analects.
>My Reasoning
Even though many of them avoid admitting this, most modern intellectual movements have Christian roots. At least partially. Christianity is a fusion of Roman Law, Hebrew Religion and Greek Philosophy. So I should read books that are older than Yahweh and Plato, or who were isolated from Yahweh and Plato.
Egypt was linked to Greece.
And many Eastern ideas have been transmitted to out culture already.
>>7615199
Point taken. But the connection of
Ancient Egyptian religion -> Greek Philosophy -> Modern Culture
is pretty weak.
>Eastern ideas have been transmitted to out culture
Confucius didn't make it to the West until about 1600. So he's independent of the Westprior to 1600, but not the modern West. So long as I contrast him with Western ideas that existed before 1600, he is genuinely independent.
Zhuangzi, Bhagavad Gita, Gilgamesh
ITT: books you loved as a kid (and still enjoy now) and why you liked them.
No one cares about your young adult shit. Read real books.
>>7615136
bump
>>7615158
bumpedy bump
What does /lit/ have checked out from a library at this very moment?
Manhattan Transfer (novel)
Marching Men (novel)
Ever Wonder Why (collection of political editorials)
Far China Station (history, US navy 1800-1898)
Handbook of Grades and Grading
Handbook of Tests and Assignments
> tfw live across from library but still manage to rack up $60 in fines
send help
>>7614998
>library
y tho
Can we talk about remorse in literature? I Think Judas is the most poignant example of remorse from ancient literature, perhaps the first true example of remorse as opposed to mere regret. Orestes is the closest example to remorse in pre-Christian pagan literature, but his quest is not for forgiveness, but for acquittal, so it's fundamentally different for, say, someone like Raskolnikov.
Orthodox reading list and FAQ's for liberals, Protestants, atheists and so on, for those so inclined: http://pastebin.com/bN1ujq2x
>>7614315
Poor Judas...Do you think he went to heaven?
He did feel remorse...
>>7614885
No, I don't
See A6 of the Atheist FAQ: http://pastebin.com/bN1ujq2x
>>7614885
I'm not a christian but I think it would sound pretty out of character for Jesus if he did not take pity upon Judas.
just my opinion though tomodachi
What are some good, atmospheric horror novels. I spend a lot of time doing menial shit that doesn't keep my mind occupied and I've been listening to The Black Tapes podcast and found out I really enjoy atmospheric horror writing, I don't really read much so I figure this would kill two birds with one stone.
>>7614222
Mein Kampf
It's not literature but the SCP site has surreal, bite-sized horror stories for days
I just read this. Did I just read this?
>>7613933
Your opinion is wrong.
>>7613933
I shudder to think what Soviet-approved serialized novel in 4 volumes would be like.
Is this a Russian book about an Italian mob outfit?
Hey /lit/.
I was just wondering if anyone knows of any good literature that attempts to explore the idea of a stand alone complex. I've been searching the internet for ages now but I can't seem to find anything other than GitS of course and a book written by Morioka, Masahiro, however it is out of print and only in Japanese.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
The Ghost in the Machine would be a good start.
>>7613915
>>7613926
Thanks guys. Apparently my internet skills are not very good. Thanks to the first anon, I just stumbled on "simulacra" which has the same definition as stand alone complex. That lead me to Simulacres et Simulation which I believe has an english translation.
While originally intended to "underscore the dilemmas and concerns that people would face if they relied too heavily on the new communications infrastructure,"[1] Stand Alone Complex (スタンド・アローン・コンプレックス Sutando Arōn Konpurekkusu?) eventually came to represent a phenomenon where unrelated, yet very similar actions of individuals create a seemingly concerted effort.
A Stand Alone Complex can be compared to the emergent copycat behavior that often occurs after incidents such as serial murders or terrorist attacks. An incident catches the public's attention and certain types of people "get on the bandwagon", so to speak. It is particularly apparent when the incident appears to be the result of well-known political or religious beliefs, but it can also occur in response to intense media attention. For example, a mere fire, no matter the number of deaths, is just a garden variety tragedy. However, if the right kind of people begin to believe it was arson, caused by deliberate action, the threat that more arsons will be committed increases dramatically.
What separates the Stand Alone Complex from normal copycat behavior is that there is no real originator of the copied action, but merely a rumor or an illusion that supposedly performed the copied action. There may be real people who are labeled as the originator, but in reality, no one started the original behavior. And in Stand Alone Complex, the facade just has to exist in the minds of the public. In other words, a potential copycat just has to believe the copied behavior happened from an originator - when it really did not. The result is an epidemic of copied behavior having a net effect of purpose. One could say that the Stand Alone Complex is mass hysteria over nothing - yet causing an overall change in social structure.
This is not unlike the concepts of memes (refer to the conversation between the major and the Puppet Master in the manga) and second-order simulacra. It also has ties to social theory, as illustrated in the work of Frederic Jameson and Masachi Osawa. The Slender Man phenomenon, in which the fictitious concept of a supernatural murderer went viral and has allegedly inspired real attacks, may be seen as an example of the Stand Alone Complex.
Just completed the first chapter. What the hell am I getting myself into?
Yes, i've read Dubliners and POTA, as well as the greeks.
one of the best novels ever written. enjoy.
also >mfw that cover
>>7613461
I guess it would be Ulysses by James Joyce
>>7613461
have you read ij and pinecone yet?
Essential books on NEETdom and wage slavery?
>>7613169
Confederacy of Dunces
teatro grottesco, especially our temporary supervisor.
your diary to be honest
sticky dis shit