How would you rank Steinbeck's works, /lit/?
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>>7617300
Fucking GOAT American /lit/
Anyone who disagrees is a faggot and can fight me irl
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>>7617305
Yeah his works are goodfor an American
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above hemingway, about even with kerouac
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Who will play him in the inevitable biopic?
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I'm trying to think of someone ugly enough. Maybe I could give it a shot.
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>>7616629
Javier Bardem.
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Michael Cera
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What are some essential pieces of literature with an "epic" scope? I want to get lost in a story with huge proportions. Currently reading murakamis Wind Up Bird Chronicle (new to reading for fun) and I love how big it feels, I guess. Any suggestions?
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obviously the fUCKING ILIAD AND ODYSSEY YOU DIP
also Genesis and Exodus and Daniel
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>>7616475
Of course, epic poetry is a given. I'm more looking for novels that just have a wide scope but aren't considered an epic technically.
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The Rainbow and Women in Love cover multiple generations of a family.
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Hi /lit/. Tonight I will be hanging out and drinking with some classmates from uni. I probably won't get laid, so I predict I will get tired after some hours and I'll read for a while sitting on the street before I go home. The question is: what of these books should I start?
>Under the Volcano
>Canterbury Tales
>Fathers and Sons (Turgenev)
>Dubliners (my first Joyce)
>Some short tales by Conrad
>Some manifests by Tristan Tzara
Thanks for your help
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Mind yourself just to get hammered tonight, Anon.
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>>7616386
If you're going to be hammered, read Joyce or Lowry
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>>7616453
The idea is gettin drunk enough to be high without throwin up
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Going to my first fiction workshop at a uni near me. What do you guys think of workshops? Not like an MFA, just a mix of people. Stories?
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Get ready for some softball shit from the twitter kids pretending to have read your story and actual genuine critiques from the few serious writers in the class
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>>7616102
I couldnt imagine a less fun thing to do, unless it was with some masterful modern author (read pulitzer or man booker award winning).
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>>7616102
when critiquing, consider that you might get laid if you are flattering
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What philosophers/philosophical works should I read before I'm allowed to move about freely within philosophy?
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>>7615000
Depends how you define 'freely.' The list of essentials for "I just wanna read Nietzsche, Heidegger, Arendt, Wittgenstein, etc." (aka majors) is so much different than "I want to be able to read the latest philosophy publications."
Furthermore, it also depends on what kind of philosophy you're looking to read. For example I'm can move pretty freely within the continental tradition, but analytic? Forget about it.
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>>7615000
start with the greeks
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>>7615010
If you can move freely within continental literature, shouldn't you be able to read analytic? As continental philosophy only exists in the context of analytic philosophy.
>Sam Harris must pay for his crimes. We will send him to the gulag, and every night he will be brutally raped and so on, and we execute him on his birthday with all the old Foucauldian, you know tie his hands and feet to horses and so on you know
What did he mean by this?
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He usually doesn't end with you know
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Derty jokes
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Drawn and quartered. Very much like his philosophy, he delineates, draws it out, and it's worth a 1967 United States quarter-dollar.
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I want to learn all about Communism and Socialism.
What's a good reading order? I don't know what to read after the Communist Manifesto.
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>>7614269
what about just skipping this juvenile phase that will be embarrassing in 12-18 months and reading some good literature?
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Engineers of the Soul
It's a study of soviet literature and engineering project. What more could a man want?
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/lit/ isn't the place to discuss politics senpai
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What does /lit/ think?
>Moral certainty is always a sign of cultural inferiority. The more uncivilized the man, the surer he is that he knows precisely what is right and what is wrong. All human progress, even in morals, has been the work of men who have doubted the current moral values, not of men who have whooped them up and tried to enforce them. The truly civilized man is always skeptical and tolerant, in this field as in all others. His culture is based on the phrase "I am not too sure."
HL Menken by the way.
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You can doubt current values with moral certainty i.e. Abolitionist
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>>7612699
Yeah, I know and I think that in some ways that kind of mentality, one of intractable certainty, in any subject is a negative character trait. One that forces an inability to understand counter arguments.
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>>7612637
I think I agree with the sentiment at large, but I take issue with notions of any cultural inferiority. It implies that one man can be more civil, or more cultured than another, which I disagree with.
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How do so many people miss the point of this? You don't need to read Chernyshevsky's What Is To Be Done? to understand it, but I'm beginning to think a lot of people should. People seem to think the Underground Man is some sort of caricature of /r9k/ types, when in fact he isn't because he's the one who is making his life into the caricature...that is, he is willfully and consciously pathetic, he isn't pathetic because he tries to be "literary", he tries to be "literary" because it is pathetic. That is why he intentionally ruins his very "literary" opportunity with the qt, because if he didn't ruin it, then he would cease to be pathetic. The entire point is being pathetic and foolish and doing what is against one's interests, is sometimes precisely what is in one's own interests. It's not about the lifestyle of the Underground Man, it's about the affirmation of the Underground Man: he is going against his own interests precisely because it is against his own interests, and the feeling of freedom this engenders is more valuable to him than anything else.
To quote a passage from The Way of the Pilgrim
>It happens that I myself was once a witness of a similar case. Near our village there is a very deep and steep-sided ravine, not very wide, but some seventy feet or more in depth. It is quite frightening to look down to the gloomy bottom of it. A sort of footbridge has been built over it. A peasant in my parish, a family man and very respectable, suddenly, for no reason, was taken with an irresistible desire to throw himself from this little bridge into that deep ravine. He fought against the idea and resisted the impulse for a whole week. In the end, he could hold himself back no longer. He got up early, rushed off, and jumped into the abyss. They soon heard his groans and with great difficulty pulled him out of the pit with his legs broken. When he was asked the reason for his fall, he answered that although he was now feeling a great deal of pain, yet he was calm in spirit, that he had carried out the irresistible desire which had worried him so for a whole week, and that he had been ready to risk his life to gratify his wish.
Dostoevsky's premise, his philosophy here, is driven by the Trinity, the one essence is preceded by the foundation of the three existences (the Greek word for existence, generally translated as "person" in relation to the Trinity, literally means the foundation of something). The Underground Man has existence but is in a struggle to find his essence. And he intentionally afflicts himself with the most irrational essence there is, as an expression of existentialist freedom. Dostoevsky isn't saying to live like that or not live like that, these ideas would defeat the whole point of the story.
Also, here is an Orthodox reading list and FAQ for atheists, Catholics, Jews, etc.: http://pastebin.com/bN1ujq2x
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>he puts this much effort into a second-rate author
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>>7608603
Thank you fellow sinner for the reading list and things to think about. Agree that the Underground Man is widely misunderstood.
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>>7608609
God bless, may love and mercy follow you everywhere.
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What are you reading?
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>>7608426
Brighton Rock
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>>7608437
god why do that to yourself
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>>7608426
De Gualle
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Last one at 250. Getting too messy. How about another Critique and criticism thread? Post your shit!!
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Been reworking and reworking this opening line, tell me what you think
One fine morning in the month of May an elegant young horsewoman might have been riding a handsome sorrel mare along the flowery avenues of the Bois de Boulogne.
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David was a stay at home father; a defective man in the eyes of his inherited society. Though his wife loved him, there was always the fear. The fear that she viewed him the way society viewed him and the way he viewed himself most of the time. Although this self-deprecating vision he had of himself was merely a reflection of the societal perspective held against men, the depression he felt was no illusion. What he felt was very real and no matter how much his wife seemingly loved him, he could not shake the feeling that his mere existence was a heavy weight on her. Every loving glance at him, he felt, was strained and exhausted. But he did not make these inward impressions known to his family. He knew if these emotions were to rise to the surface it would do nothing to exterminate this mentality and would instead push the only people in his life away from him. So by quietly navigating these darkened halls in the low hours of the day, he fought to keep his family close. After climbing back to bed and settling into the covers, David quickly made the decision to stay up the rest of the night. He decided it wouldn’t make much sense to sleep through the remaining hours of black considering he had no need for the energy it would provide.
I excluded the previous paragraph in case you wonder why it sounds so out of context.
Basically a dad gets out of bed in the middle of the night and has to avoid his kids toys in order to get a glass of water. There is some shit in the previous paragraph that is very rough. I don't usually write like this, it's just this particular part of the story that has this style of narration. Should I have less tell and more show?
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Chart thread. I'm dumping, also requesting Kierkegaard must-reads.
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>>7604305
Anyone have the Inferno translation guide?
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>>7604307
here you go, i think this is it
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Based on the the previous discussion (which died out quick) lets compile a list of books that serve as an introduction to philosophy.
There is a google doc but it seems beyond reach for the average /lit/izen
Said previous thread: >>7600865
All suggestion welcome and lets not limit this to just western philosophy.
DONT LET THE THREAD DIE MOTHAFUCKAS
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Wow that Google Doc is actually pretty neat, who put it together?
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August Comte.
Is positivism worth a reading?
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Thoughts on David Moody?
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David Whody? Fuck off pleb.
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>>7618045
I never said if I like or dislike him. I'm just curious about how /lit/ perceives him. Now please step aside, easily irritable child.