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How long did it take you all to read the Bible from back to front?
I was going to try and read one book a day but it isn't that easy
>the apocrypha too
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>>7619508
It was so bad I stopped after half a chapter. How's this book still in print? It's beyond me.
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>>7619515
It gets a bit slow round the middle of genesis but it wasn't unbearable
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I read it in church

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hey lit anyone read this? I know Gaddis is big around here. I've got The Recognitions but can't find the time to give it my full attention since I'm at college. I'm interested in Agape Agape, I know i's a confessional (maybe in the style of By Night in Chile? that's what drew me to it), and I was wondering if it could be read anytime or if a knowledge of Gaddis' other works make it much more enjoyable.

Additionally, feel free to rec any other confessional/final words books.
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>>7619489
Just read it, man. JR is great, you should read that also.
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>>7619489
You sound too dull to understand it nor fully appreciate Gaddis' most difficult work.
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>>7619493
by it do you mean agape agape or the recognitions? i want to read the recognitions, i just want to have a span of like, three weeks without much to do where i can really delve into it.
>>7619494
why do you say that friend

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This year marks 2400 years since the birth of our Philosopher. We should celebrate this with an appropriate thread.
Have you accepted Aristotle as the ultimate philosopher yet, /lit/? Discuss.
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Plato is the greato.
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>>7619459
Funny I seem to recall there being other before him.
And on top of that Descartes was born some where in the last millenium.
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>>7619512
>mysticism instead of rigorous method and analysis of previous thinkers

Not even once.

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Sorry for the shit thread.

I'm trying to find a Freudian, Jungian, or possibly Lacanian term that means the following:

>when you are aware of something's existence and accept it as fact, but have not actually fully realized it as a reality in your mind.

So an example would be us being aware that the NSA collects information on us, but not really altering our behavior in accordance with that knowledge because, while we accept it as a reality, we do not feel tangible effects of it and it is therefore not entirely "real" to us.
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what's wrong with "abstract"
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cognitive dissonance, but that's not freud or jung's word

metanoia in jung is a similar idea (though james uses the same term, it doesn't have the same meaning)

freud would probably call it denial and classify it by the reaction to the repression (a reaction formation in your example would mean the persons convince themselves to help the NSA collect information more easily to disprove what they acknowledge subconsciously as a threat)
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>>7619369
No, it wasn't cognitive dissonance. It's not that the person holds contradictory views, but that they fail to act in accordance with their knowledge because they lack immediate evidence. This lack of evidence means that the information only exists to the individual as superficial knowledge and not a reality in a concrete sense.

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What did you think of His Dark Materials?
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Looks like young adult shit
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Thinly disguised satanistic propaganda.
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>>7619262
had an actual crush on lyra as a kid

was I the only one?

other than that I think Peter Hitchens hit the nail on the head

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Wanted to get some /lit/ opinions on Bukowski. I sort of disregarded Bukowski after reading Post Office (which was fine but felt a bit gimmicky) and seeing so many of his quotes as sort of "anti-motivational" memes on Facebook walls.

However, I thought Ham on Rye was great and really gave a lot more substance to the Chinaski character, meanwhile showcasing Bukowski's ability as a writer beyond "AW FUCK I'M LATE FOR WORK SUCK MY DICK BABY."

Basically, should I bother with Factotum or Women?
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Post Office is fucking awful, Bukowksi sucks dick.
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>>7619288
Excellent discussion! What didn't you like about it? I felt like it's the sort of story that's often imitated by your psuedo-beatnik creative writing majors. That said, it was definitely enjoyable at times.
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>>7619231
He's my favorite author. I especially love Post Office because of the humor & its relentless dedication to detailing the hellish life of the working man. I have a lot of his poetry books too. Hell, Bukowski even inspired me to become a writer.
www.jasonkessler.net

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Gustav Meyrink threande
did you read his works? is it spoopy/mystical?
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>>7619123
I've read The Golem. It is indeed a bit spoopy/mystical.
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>>7619134
thank you mr Golem
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>>7619123
The Golem and numerous short stories. He's my go-to mystical-Jewish-strange-person.

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Don't worry, friends, no spoilers.

Well, I'm basically enjoying it. It's a good book. It's one of those huge books that has a lot of scope, even if most of its set in a single year. Good characters that represent points of view, good ideas. It's not amazing, though. I don't know if things get better in the second half, but I don't know WHY this was paid $2 million for. Or, why it took 10 years to write. If we're talking expansive novels, and things considered by some to be the great American novel, look at Underworld (which has clearly influenced this), Gone with the Wind, or a few others.

I was hoping this a "proper" high-brow book, with lots of complexity, and advanced language. A bit like Infinite Jest. But outside of its size, it doesn't really seem different to any regular book. I don't know.

Thoughts on this? I know a few people on this board have read it, because one of them recommended it to me. Not saying I regret buying it, just that I don't understand why some people think it's great.
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I don't think it's Great American Novel great, but it's definitely one of the better novels of the past five years. In twenty years it'll probably be considered a classic.
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>>7619413
who is this gam clam?
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>>7619448
No one knows

http://m.imgur.com/a/GI4KS

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Guys, what's so great about FH's dune? I finished book 1 (1st act of the first book) and most of the stuff felt seriously forced.
It didn't feel like the characters were doing great things, it felt like they were doing normal things and explaining to the reader how great the they were.
Also kind of a bummer that they resolted to a lot of clichés, like when the harkonnen task some dudes to kill paul and his mom and instead of just doing it they come up with some over the top way that gives our heroes plenty of room to scape
Paul also feels invincible, he can easily solve any problem thrown at him with easy to everyone's awe and i hardly feel like he has gone through any danger, why should I care about the protagonist if he doesn't need any help?what will he learn in his journey if he's already pretty good?
Other then that it had its moments, I liked duke Leto's poison, the dinner, the whole blue on blue eyes idea, the outfits made to not waste water and the whole setting.

Tldr; characters feel op,I have no connection with anyone,feels forced at times and plenty of clichés
So what's so great about it? Does it get better with time?am I missing something?
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>what's so great about it?
Who told you it was great? It's relatively good for sci-fi, but that's a bit like being the tallest dwarf in the room. Having said that, the positive features are the setting and the ideas.

>what will he learn in his journey if he's already pretty good?
Sounds like you're reading the book as if it's a vidya game. Paul's story doesn't end by him reaching level 20 and one-shotting a sandworm (although you need to read Dune Messiah to actually see where it goes).
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I enjoyed it when I was 14
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>>7619076
it's vastly overrated, even if you just look at it in the context of science fiction

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What am I reading?
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my reply
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Emily Dickinson, please.
What are you doing in a picture? You are dead, RIP, please.
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The Brain within its groove
Runs evenly and true
But let a Splinter swerve
'Twere easier for you

To put a Current back
When Floods have slit the hills
And Scooped a Turnpike for Themselves
And Trodden out the Mills

That's the only poem i've got memories, except for the punctuation and capitalisation.

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>You can do what you want but you can not will what you want
What did he mean by this?
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You may approach an action anticipating a particular reaction, but it may not result in what you were expecting.
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>>7618969
You can't choose what to want, but you may do what you want.

Seems perfectly clear to me.
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>>7618975
Sounds like its not so clear

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Everything that happens to you happens because you want it to happen to you. - Alan Watts

How true is this?
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Totally false
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>>7618797
You have to have experience with mind altering drugs to understand this
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"Everything that happens to you happens because you want it to happen to you", father said as he forced his penis into my anus.

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It's very short and I'm just looking for feedback. Anything you have to say will be read.

Start:
Dad and son sit across one another in the booth.
“How do you feel, dad? You’ve been silent since Pittsburgh”, says Ethan looking down at his half empty coffee and over the sodden tea bag stewing in boiling water on his father’s end of the table.
Behind the arts section of the New York Times a voice of once perfect diction and timbre lilts, “I’m fine. You know me. It’s the other stuff I’m worried about.” Harold reaches around the page to dip the teabag softly.
“The kids will be glad to see you and Martha will be glad to have someone else around the house.”
“I can’t stay with you. I’ve been on my own too long. I need the privacy.”
“Could you put the paper down? What are you even reading in there?”
Harold fold the paper down revealing his cool green eyes diffracted behind rectangular bifocals, “There are all these plays, these art critics, these galleries. Gone. An entire web of connections and references that have no external meaning anymore.” He takes a sip of the tea and begins to read from one. “Like sitting alone in an empty industrial plant while a man shouts at you through a loudspeaker about efficiency ratings. Mantrap, an adaptation of the 2023 Audrey Koch short story by Stanislav Verdeloski opening in the Sontag Memorial Theatre, speaks in the same tone as its absurdist author but with the dehumanization turned up past 13. This heightened level of engagement the audience feels…”
“What’s the point?”, interjects Ethan. He doesn’t look at his father but down at his spoon swirling around the last of his coffee. “It sounds awful. Why would anyone want to experience that?”
“You said you wanted to talk”
“But that’s not talking. You’re going to see your family. They’re all looking forward to seeing you, that you weren’t in the city when it happened. It means the world to them.”

(Cont'd)
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>>7618614
(Cont'd)

“The world has more going on than this. This is a grain of sand under a boulder.”
“You’re lucky. You should feel blessed. Any of the others would be glad to be you. To be reunited with your family, your whole family.”
“How am I to feel joy in the face of such terror and pain? It’s worse to survive it, its as if I shoulder the weight of 25 million… And you speak to me of comfort in the face of such realities.”
“Your family is fine, I’m here. The kids will be there. You’re not the only one who felt the loss. The whole country has”
“The country knows nothing of struggle. It knows only excess, comfort and convenience. It thinks the millions that died a thousand miles away is a struggle for them. They know someone who knew someone. For them that’s hardship. Well things are going to get worse.”
A girl 17 years old wearing a yellow and white dress comes to the table carrying two platters. “Who had the poached eggs ?”
Harold motions to himself
“And you must have had the omelette with bacon and cheddar.”
“Thank you” says Ethan.
“Y’all have a good meal”
“Thanks” Harold mutters as she walks away.
“We’re gonna hit them back, dad.”
“I’m surprised we haven’t already. I expected it to be over within the hour when it happened. The power went out and I heard the sound and I thought it was over. If it doesn’t happen within the next week we might be okay. It might not happen.”
“They deserve what’s coming to them.”
“So do we.”
“Fine. That’s enough talking for now. Just eat your fucking eggs, dad.”
The silence continued long after the eggs were eaten.
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Painful
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>>7618988
I'm sorry. I hope I can get better.

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Was it autism?
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You must be autistic if that's all you can say about the book.
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>>7618299
You must be autistic if you complain that the obvious autism in Book of Disquiet is not the only thing that draws autists to it
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Did the discovery of autism reduce many literary characters' problems into a simple neurological thing? Hamlet, Underground Man, and Holden Caufield are all figures literary critics love to analyze and explore their meaning or whatever but all of that becomes pretty pointless when you find out they all just have autism.

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What secondary literature would you recommend on Iliad/Odyssey?
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Cambridge Companion to Homer
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Homer's Trojan Theater: Space, Vision, and Memory in the IIiad

The Wrath of Athena: Gods and Men in The Odyssey
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>>7617274
Michael Wood's In Search of the Trojan War has an awesome companion book. Def not as scholarly as >>7617303 but very accessible.

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