Why does /lit/ abhor this book so much?
>>7618392
I've never heard of any big criticism of that book itself, but I've heard us talking about how its author is a huge pleb (see his essay on Gaddis for more).
Sold a lot, author's a dweeb, domestic realism, American
oprah
What is his best work?
>>7618193
I hate his short stories. Great Gatsby is a good if not somewhat simpleminded novel. This Side of Paradise is imo his strongest, you get the breakdown of a Gatsby-type in a much more personal manner (largely autobiographical)
How Petite Was My Manhood? Co-authored by Hemingway
Obviously Gatsby
The Bible is literature. Thought I'd give it a read. What's the best reading order? Front to back? Chronological? Random study guide order?
that yale course
>>7614742
http://oyc.yale.edu/religious-studies
This one? Should I treat the two testaments as completely separate?
>>7614749
Yes, New Testament studies is completely different, and the more you study the more you realize its a different world. The associated Ehrman book with the New Testament class is a primer, and an excellent one at that that is widely available to pirate.
As far as reading the bible as literature, of course you should read it all but for enjoyment, Job, Ecclesiastes, Song of Songs, Matthew, and James are masterpieces.
State one awesome and one shitty book you read or tried to read based on /lit/'s recommendation.
Bonus points for obscure works and restrain in trollage.
OPs:
Good:
>Captain Fracasse, by Theophile Gautier
Some frenchanon recommended it years ago and it's now one of my favourite books. Light adventure with amazing descriptions.
Bad:
de Bello Gallico
I love historical work, even more if it's 'original', but I just couldn't get into this one.
Are plays better watched or read?
watched but the more you know it the more you'll get from it
>You generally basically like the books Harold Bloom likes, but you disagree about David Foster Wallace.
>You think that the fact you disagree with Bloom about Foster Wallace means that you know more than dick about fuck.
>You like McCarthy more than Pynchon, Roth or DeLillo because stuff happens in McCarthy's novels.
>You liked White Noise but you couldn't get past the first 50 pages of Underworld.
>You liked The Crying of Lot 49, even though you're not sure you fully "got it".
>You haven't read Gravity's Rainbow.
>Don't kid yourself, you're never going to be able to appreciate Proust.
>Admit it, you're not even as smart as you think you are, and feeling smart is the main reason you read books in the first place.
>>7620797
That's not me at all. I'm pretty sure Bloom is an idiot. Pynchon a hack. MacCarthy a bigger hack. And the only thing I struggle to read is old English.
Is Philip Roth a meme now?
>>7620797
Disagree with Bloom on a lot of things
Not really fond of DFW
Pynchon is my favourite book
Didn't really care for White Noise, though I'll probably read Libra and Underworld soon
I'm pretty sure I've got most of it, it isn't that hard
Yes I did
I don't even try, have no interest in reading A Recherche any time soon
I probably am smarter than I think I am, but hardly as smart as other people think I am
>2016
>hasn't read Menexenus
top pleb lel
Morelike MenexANUS, amirite?
>>7620722
>wastes his mundane life on 4chan of all places
top pleb lel
Non-Anglo anons, do you read books in English or in your own language??
I'm French, and I refuse to even touch the English language. Don't bother reading it, it is a disgusting monger language.
>>7620665
If they were written originally in my own language, I read them in my own language. The same with English. For languages I cannot read I use either an English or Spanish (my mother tongue) translation depending on the edition and how close the other language is to either English or Spanish (e.g. I read Pessoa in a Spanish translation, but I would read Goethe in an English one).
Only books originally written on english
What should I write a play about?
Write a play about a play
Two men wait for God.
God arrives, then leaves.
The men then try to explain to others how God was just there, but nobody believes them.
two broads who read nabokov wait for godot while romeo and juliet kill themselves
>Esther's nose job
I've heard this a few times, don't get it, it didn't even strike me as something intended to be gross.
Personally Naked Lunch made me ill the first time I read it. I think the chapter Hassan's Rumpus Room, whichever is the first regarding mugwumps killing and sodomizing young boys. Just didn't jive with me.
>>7620593
Naked Lunch made me horny
Push was actually difficult to read despite being a mediocre novel
>girl getting raped with a bottle full of dirt then having the bottle broken inside of her vagina, after which she is beaten to death with pitchforks and shovels
i was twelve years old man, not ready for that shit
The Fitzgerald translation of the Odyssey is really fucking beautiful /lit/.
To think I'd almost given up because of the Alexander Pope version.
Any other greek stories where certain translations are miles above the rest?
Waterfield is a damn good translator imo. Not Greek, but Mandelbaum's Ovid's Metamorphoses is damn good.
>>7620137
Is that Vintage Publishing? I can't find it on Amazon in my country. What else did you discard?
>>7620137
Pope didn't even write half of his Odyssey. It's shit.
Fitzgerald's Odyssey is a great work of art in English alone. His Aeneid is excellent as well (not so much his Iliad).
800+ page books, but I guess some are 1,000 pages, 1,200 pages, etc. Books that have a lot of characters, are usually complex, that kind of thing. Examples would be Underworld, Infinite Jest, Against the Day, Gravity's Rainbow, etc.
How do you feel about these books? Do you think very long books are better than regular books, 300 - 500 page stuff, or whatever? Or do you think they're just long for the sake of being long?
Depends on the book.
I've never read a 1,000 page work a fiction where you couldn't have cut 200 pages of fat from it and lost nothing.
Lots of negatives, I know. Think it through, Junior, you'll make it to fifth grade yet.
>>7620066
The novella is my ideal form. You can sit down and read it in one or two sittings, like watching a film.
/lit/ club is happening again this week with another short story by Ananis Nin
If you would to participate in the discussion (skype) go here for invite: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1xQaLISTgFkehNOXsbUSbSFeXTtrIBVcfstsr1yytxJo/viewform
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Thanks!
>>7619814
>skype
No webcam discussion I hope
>>7619830
voice/text
bump
Voltaire is an overrated piece of shit
Prove me wrong
>PRO TIP: YOU CAN'T
Keep talking shit, lil faggot. U just jelly cuz u will never b in the western canon
>>7617785
But you're right.
Rousseau is the overrated one t b h
What novels did you read in high school? Was your school patrician? What would you have wanted to read?
>>7616450
We never read anything when i was in HS.
All that I can remember:
Stig of the Dump
Great Expectations
The Crucible
Romeo & Juliet
Hamlet
Lord of the Flies
Of Mice and Men
Pretty standard desu. It was kind of merged into media, so we also analysed some films in the same way we'd do so for a book. We did Shrek & The Fifth Element and something else I forget
And there were a bunch of poems by some British poets I can't even remember the names of. One of them is currently the poet laureate if I recall though. I thought their poems stunk
is Beowulf a novel?
english is pretty kool in my bok