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>>8384643
GR, but J R is better than both.

>>8384643
>"there are a few books that over the years have changed the way I’ve thought about literature and what it can do and just changed the way I think generally, Gaddis’s JR was one of them, Ballard’s Atrocity Exhibition was another, Gravity’s Rainbow too, and McElroy’s Plus joins that list"
I think this quote gets me closer to what I'm trying to say. There's no doubt GR and JR have changed the way I see and think, but The Recognitions speaks directly to my heart, because it's everything I ever wanted from a novel, what it can convey and accomplish.

>>8385509
It's great, but I don't really agree. It runs afoul of a few pitfalls as a result of Gaddis's inexperience and being intermittently written over the course of seven years.

you're on one you dingus

>>8384636
I know, I just like to see my options, once I see then, I can utilize them all to fit my abilities. that, and there's I high risk to piss someone off here or get banned for saying the slightest wrong thing.

>>8384709
not really, /lit/ is pretty open as long as you don't make threads that aren't about writing/books/literature or capitalism

you can even shitpost like I'm doing right now and you probably wont even get banned

He's a major part of a book I'm reading right now. He thought that the universe worked in a way of musical systematic order after hearing some smiths ding away at their forge. Apparently the music of the earth's orbit is (Mi Fa Mi).

>>8384620
Well Pythagoras left no writings whatsoever so we don't really know what he thought. There are lots of stories about him so we at least know what different people thought he was like. Really I'd say they're a reflection of Pythagoreanism and may not describe the real Pythagoras at all

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>>8384756
Why would he think the Earth's orbit ringed in E F E notes? That sounds stupid to me.

I like this, though:


I. Declining from the public ways, walk in unfrequented paths.
II. Govern your tongue before all other things, following the gods.
III. The wind blowing, adore the sound.
IV. Assist a man in raising a burden; but do not assist him in laying it down.
VI. Having departed from your house, turn not back; for the furies will be your attendants.
VIII. Receive not a swallow into your house.
IX. Offer not your right hand easily to anyone.
X. When rising from the bedclothes, roll them together, and obliterate the impression of the body.

>>8384609
Zeno's Conscience

>>8384675
thanks anon, gonna start reading it.

>>8384609
Murakami's Norwegian Wood

>>8384582
Keep a notebook with you. Whenever an idea pops up, write it down.

>>8384582
Steal ideas from https://www.reddit.com/r/WritingPrompts/

Seriously, there are tons of shitty ones but there are a bunch of good sparks of ideas every once in awhile.

>>8384585
this is good.

also do something mindless and active, like cutting the grass. It gives you time to think.

>>8384530
So revolutionary, like all slam shit talking.

XD it's all meaningless guis! Especially complex human emotion! We should just end society and roll around in our own shit all day because God is dead and we're just on a little blue dot! I even referenced a guy with similar ideas and said that his ideas don't matter, can't you see how smart I am LOL XD

>>8384530
duuuuuuuuuuude monkeys, get it humans
btfo humanity in 2 mins

http://www.pitt.edu/~wbcurry/nietzsche/nuber.html

Alas, the time is coming when man will no longer give birth to a star. Alas, the time of the most despicable man is coming, he that is no longer able to despise himself. Behold, I show you the last man.
'What is love? What is creation? What is longing? What is a star?' thus asks the last man, and blinks.
The earth has become small, and on it hops the last man, who makes everything small. His race is as ineradicable as the flea; the last man lives longest.
'We have invented happiness,'say the last men, and they blink. They have left the regions where it was hard to live, for one needs warmth. One still loves one's neighbor and rubs against him, for one needs warmth...
One still works, for work is a form of entertainment. But one is careful lest the entertainment be too harrowing. One no longer becomes poor or rich: both require too much exertion. Who still wants to rule? Who obey? Both require too much exertion.
No shepherd and one herd! Everybody wants the same, everybody is the same: whoever feels different goes voluntarily into a madhouse.
'Formerly, all the world was mad,' say the most refined, and they blink...
One has one's little pleasure for the day and one's little pleasure for the night: but one has a regard for health.
'We have invented happiness,' say the last men, and they blink."

>>8384525
But wouldn't the pressure of time force a change to happen eventually?

>>8384525
If I loved Thus Spoke Zarathustra; are there any other works of philosophy or religion that's a good read?

If you get your philosophy from Yes, I'm not sure even Hesse could help you.

I really enjoyed it. I read it after my Freshman year of uni and I got a lot out of it. The protagonist is very compelling and the aesthetic is pretty chill.

Also fuck that other guy learning and experiencing something new because something you love brought you there is cool as fuck. I hope you read Siddhartha and it helps you appreciate that album even more.

>>8384503
Yes, I'd also recommend any collection of Hesse's short stories that has Strange New from Another Star

>>8384487
I'm post-post-post-postism.

I'm glad, postmodernism is a largely materialistic and amoral view on the world that has penetrated its way into Western society and made everyone narcissistic and selfish. The next stage will have to be a spiritual reawakening that restores the humanity we have lost over the past 50 years.

>>8384574
religion is changed forever, embrace that.

>>8384380
yes

>>8384399
Which one should I read first?

David Foster Wallace liked them. Obviously go chronologically with stuff like this.

the philosophy i've read has never been about improving the self

>>8384369
Philosophical books are self books, there is no help

>>8384369
Any good book is self-improvement. But a self improvement book is not necesarily good

Reducing everything to one thing such as power is idiotic.

/lit/, despite its pedigree, is simply another apparatus of the hegemonic discourse that is Western "civilization." The hegemony cannot act upon direct critique without violence - and so when you mention Foucault, you encounter either direct violence ("continental whackjob") or an effort to synthesize his ideas into a more palatable form. In either case, the hegemonic discourse lives on.

>>8384323
He was a deeply learned man who in the end decided the most meaningful, hottest thing he could do was chase fetishes and become a bug catcher.

Also:

>As a scholar I have total contempt for Foucault. He was a liar and he was a fraud. He pretended he had knowledge he did not have. He was a man of very high IQ. If he had put the time in to master the areas he should have, if he had really done The Inquisition, beginning by studying ancient history, by studying anthropology, studying political science, and being honest about his true influences, then I could respect him. I’m afraid people who admire Foucault feel the slick, glossy surface, and think that in some sense it’s depth, and it isn’t.

Camille Paglia

>good medium
No, it's entire culture consists of users with no intentions other than creating quick and dirty low entertainment and don't care for other people who know it's quick and dirty low entertainment and don't care

>>8384346
>it's
Thanks mobile

It's a tremendous waste of time like nearly all online writing that you're not getting paid for.

You'd honestly be better off writing throwaway crap and posting it in the critique threads here if you just want to practice and have your writing analyzed by people who may or may not have any clue as to what they're on about.

>>8384266
Some random shit from my to-read list.

Elkin - The Living End
Markson - Vanishing Point
DeLillo - Mao II
Exley - A Fan's Notes
Erickson - Rubicon Beach

>>8384266
you just read v so obv crying lot is next get to it op

Madame Bovary or Moby Dick

>>8384194
at the beginning actually and read them as they were published. the. finish with letters. then after that read what ever you want. someone the sailor was aight

>>8384194
Holy shit is that Jamie Hyneman from mythbusters?

1: Throw it out a window
2: Continue with life