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>your country gave you the opportunity of studying ancient greek, latin and philosophy in high school
>tfw you've chosen shit electric technician high school
how to unJUST my life
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I know that feel, they force you to choose paths at a stage of life where you have no idea where you want to go. So you either listen to your parents, choose at random or pick the route that sounds the coolest or easiest.

The strongest of us just go with the retarded choices we made as a child.
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>>8381454
>Ancient Greek
Which one?
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>>8381465
Good post.

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what did you think of it?
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Fucking brilliant. What other book is a genuine sexy slasher pulp, cleverly satires French philosophies and science, teaches you the basics of a historical craft, and--above all--completely changes your perception of a basic sense? Everyone should read it.
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I use cologne.
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>>8382754
great idea

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White Nights? More like White Knights. Do you think unrequited love in fiction is beautiful or just sad?
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>>8381374
I don't know about unrequited love because I just got dumped and decided to devote my life to Plato but I will say that Dostoyevsky's short story and Lucio Visconti's movie are both very fucking tight.

Link extremely related: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLJ9U_AcDnc
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>>8381384
>not editing out the sound of those off-time steps
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>>8381386
>Not enjoying the rough edges of Italian neo-realism.

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Hey /lit/, what is the best publishing house?
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>>8381353
my diary desu
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>>8381355

LOL!
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Bamp

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Hi /lit/,
I really enjoyed reading Lolita. Nabukov's style of writing and the not so ordinary theme of the book made this one of the better books I have read.

I was wondering what I can read next. Can you recommend me some similar books to Lolita or other good books written by Nabukov?

Thanks.
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*Nabokov of course.
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I haven't read pic related. Your question made me curious. Fucking new to /lit/.


One summer day, Margaux Fragoso meets Peter Curran at the neighborhood swimming pool, and they begin to play. She is seven; he is fifty-one. When Peter invites her and her mother to his house, the little girl finds a child’s paradise of exotic pets and an elaborate backyard garden. Her mother, beset by mental illness and overwhelmed by caring for Margaux, is grateful for the attention Peter lavishes on her, and he creates an imaginative universe for her, much as Lewis Carroll did for his real-life Alice.
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Shameless bump.

Is there any modern day equivalent of pulp fiction still going on in your country?

Do somebody still sells magazines with collections of genre short stories with colorful covers?

I miss pulp literature, guys. And comics doesn't count.
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The 30s-60s seem to have been a unique moment that allowed for the rise of pulps, a moment that will never come again. They were popular enough so that talented writers could write for them and be well numerated. Just hear how Kurt Vonnegut raised several children, keeping the wolf from the door by the proceeds from his short stories. Also Chandler, Lovecraft, Robert Howard, Sturgeon, all of whom preferred the short form.

The internet, e-book, and self publishing phenomenon is not conducive enough for a return of that culture, despite access to reading being widened, and the gatekeepers of publishing being banished. If there are good quality short story periodicals then they are either free and unread, or prohibitively expensive and unread.

Nevertheless, I could be incorrect, and if this is so then I am ready to hear the wisdom of my betters. I just do not think we will see another Weird Tales, Black Mask, Astounding Science Fiction etc, again.
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>>8381347
Amazon has collections of short stories by genre and something called kindle megapacks that seems to fit into the "new pulp" criteria.

No idea about the quality, probably very low.
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In Sweden the only thing people read are terribly written crime novels. And I've even seen people claim that Sweden is a "great contributor to world literature" or "a literature giant" and things along those lines since apparently retards in other countries gobble that shit up as well. Meanwhile most of the actually great classic Swedish literature isn't even in print anymore since nobody reads it.

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Pynchon = Trump?
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LITERALLY HITLER
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Trump's IQ must be like 80
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>>8381261
>the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us
Trump having Thermopylae flashbacks.

>tfw deeply moved by all forms of art
>tfw no childhood proclivities toward anything specific
>tfw don't know what craft to devote 10 years of life to get good at
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>>8381246
drawing anime porn?
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Then you realize you're bad at all of them.
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>>8381254
You need to start drawing from childhood to become a good hentaika

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>17. Art forms that appeal to modern leftist intellectuals tend to focus on sordidness, defeat and despair, or else they take an orgiastic tone, throwing off rational control as if there were no hope of accomplishing anything through rational calculation and all that was left was to immerse oneself in the sensations of the moment.

>44. But for most people it is through the power process-having a goal, making an AUTONOMOUS effort and attaining the goal-that self-esteem, self-confidence and a sense of power are acquired. When one does not have adequate opportunity to go throughout the power process the consequences are (depending on the individual and on the way the power process is disrupted) boredom, demoralization, low self-esteem, inferiority feelings, defeatism, depression, anxiety, guilt, frustration, hostility, spouse or child abuse, insatiable hedonism, abnormal sexual behavior, sleep disorders, eating disorders, etc

>57. The difference, we argue, is that modern man has the sense (largely justified) that change is IMPOSED on him, whereas the 19th century frontiersman had the sense (also largely justified) that he created change himself, by his own choice. Thus a pioneer settled on a piece of land of his own choosing and made it into a farm through his own effort. In those days an entire county might have only a couple of hundred inhabitants and was a far more isolated and autonomous entity than a modern county is. Hence the pioneer farmer participated as a member of a relatively small group in the creation of a new, ordered community. One may well question whether the creation of this community was an improvement, but at any rate it satisfied the pioneer's need for the power process.

http://cyber.eserver.org/unabom.txt
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>>8381234

Grapes of Wrath appeals to modern leftist intellectuals, and it was pretty militant and victory-minded.
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>>8381245
There are many post-apocalyptic persecution stories lefties latch onto these days, and with grapes of wrath, seizing the means of production is a group goal aiming for group rewards born out of the love for the duty to work.
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>>8381234
Pynchon and Delillo did it better and survived.

Share a quote from your favourite book.
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We have certainly honored the children of Adam and carried them on the land and sea and provided for them of the good things and preferred them over much of what We have created, with [definite] preference.

Quran 17:70
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I command you to explode yourself

t. Allah

Quran 12:70
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Yet man is born unto trouble, as the sparks fly upward.
Job 5:7

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Opinions?
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I'd say finance should be higher up because it requires both manipulation AND mathematics
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>>8381060
Literature is as important to understanding the human condition as mathematics is to understanding the universe.
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>>8381060
fast fix

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ITT write your best satirical one liners that could be headlines at a highly biased clickbait "news source" (ie Buzzfeed)

I'll start:
If You're Not a Cuck You're a Racist: And Heres Why
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>>8381033
Here's Why We Need to Destroy Long-Established Understandings of Biology -- and Why Women's Studies Departments are the Place to Do That
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20 Things White People Say to Pretend That They're Not Racist
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Think Your Artisanal Mustard is the Most Intersectional Condiment? Think Again

6 Signs Your Pet is Misgendering You

It Happened to Me: My Gender Shifted in the Middle of Urinating

Trans Lady Menstruating -- 5 Ways My Chronic Nosebleeds Connect Me with My Womanhood

It's Time We Stop Using Nouns

4 Ways Gastronormativity Discriminates Against the Irritable-Boweled

"Oh Shit" -- What to Do When You Can't Remember Your Own Pronouns

Are Sporks The Non-Binary Eating Utensil?

What My Decade-Long Compulsive Porn Habit Taught Me About My Feminine Gender Identity -- and About Yours Too

feminists can be funny, they just require anonymity

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So what the fuck is temperance?
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>>8381029
temper: to be angry, mad
-ance: denoting an action (according to a quick google)

I think what he was trying to say is that you should rek people whenever they say things, even if they are pleb things. So for an example, some hobo trolls you when youre explaining things? TEMPERANCE
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>>8381029
Not wanting things that are bad for you. A non-temperate person has to resist drinking to excess, a temperate person doesn't even want to.
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>>8381029
balance. harmony. knowing who you are, and who the others are, and act accordingly. Be responsible of what you have and be respectful.

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This might be a very cynical thread, but anyways:

Is the era of literature gone? Cinema has come, and now the television has replaced the novel. Casually reading literature is seen as some perplexing act. And those who do continue to read literature ""casually"" are either 12 year olds reading the Hunger Games or white women reading shit like Fifty Shades of Grey.

With that being said, there is and always will be a plethora of knowledge that is espoused from literature. However, those who wish to create new, original pieces of literature in our era will have little success unless they cater to the aforementioned groups. Thus, writers wishing to put their originality on the market might be doomed.

What is a writer supposed to do in this situation if they wish to influence the minds of the masses with their works? As we have already stated, the literature market is extremely unfavorable to original thought and has a limited audience. However, television often times welcomes original thought and has a nearly unlimited audience. Television shows have the possibility of influencing the minds of millions, and leaving a lasting effect.

Therefore, should aspiring writers turn to television? Sure, there won't be engaging prose or poetic imagery. However, writers could channel their ideas to a much larger crowd more efficiently than doing so with a novel.

TL;DR Should novelists ditch their rough drafts for a screenplay for the sake of influence?
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> Cinema has come, and now the television has replaced the novel.

True, I think. Not just because TV has replaced it, but directors like Ozu, Tarr, Kiarostami have really pushed the form as far as it (appears) it can go.

Chris Marker was the one who said cinema would last only one century.

>What is a writer supposed to do in this situation if they wish to influence the minds of the masses with their works? As we have already stated, the literature market is extremely unfavorable to original thought and has a limited audience.

Read Delillo's Mao II. It's about a writer who gives up on publishing his novel because of this.

> However, television often times welcomes original thought

Absolutely false.

> Television shows have the possibility of influencing the minds of millions, and leaving a lasting effect.

You're delusional.

> Therefore, should aspiring writers turn to television?

Absolutely not. Read Mao II.
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“The novel’s not dead, it’s not even seriously injured, but I do think we’re working in the margins, working in the shadows of the novel’s greatness and influence. There’s plenty of impressive talent around, and there’s strong evidence that younger writers are moving into history, finding broader themes. But when we talk about the novel we have to consider the culture in which it operates. Everything in the culture argues against the novel, particularly the novel that tries to be equal to the complexities and excesses of the culture. This is why books such as JR and Harlot’s Ghost and Gravity’s Rainbow and The Public Burning are important—to name just four. They offer many pleasures without making concessions to the middle-range reader, and they absorb and incorporate the culture instead of catering to it....


These books and writers show us that the novel is still spacious enough and brave enough to encompass enormous areas of experience. We have a rich literature. But sometimes it’s a literature too ready to be neutralized, to be incorporated into the ambient noise. This is why we need the writer in opposition, the novelist who writes against power, who writes against the corporation or the state or the whole apparatus of assimilation. We’re all one beat away from becoming elevator music.”
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>>8381630
>Absolutely false.
Why?

And thanks for the recommendation.

>>8381637
>This is why we need the writer in opposition, the novelist who writes against power, who writes against the corporation or the state or the whole apparatus of assimilation
I heavily agree this.

However, l believe people have killed their imaginations so to speak. Figurative language is seen as some crazy, mystical idea that only few can understand. Society has become too literal, begging that you tell them your message in plain words rather than in prose and metaphors.

Leo Tolstoy or even Jose Rizal wouldn't get the light of day if they were writers of today. People no longer look to novels or essays to find meaning or calls to action. As previously stated, they demand you give it to them in plain words and pure speech. Thus if a writer has a point he wishes to make, he either has to severely dumb it down or have a minute scope of readers.

But if a writer's message is on the TV, which almost everyone watches, then the message will have much more clarity and effect.

I. Declining from the public ways, walk in unfrequented paths.
II. Govern your tongue before all other things, following the gods.

III. The wind blowing, adore the sound.

IV. Assist a man in raising a burden; but do not assist him in laying it down.
V. Speak not about Pythagoric concerns without light.
VI. Having departed from your house, turn not back; for the furies will be your attendants.
VII. Nourish a cock, but sacrifice it not; for it is sacred to the sun and moon.
VIII. Receive not a swallow into your house.
IX. Offer not your right hand easily to anyone.
X. When rising from the bedclothes, roll them together, and obliterate the impression of the body.

Does anyone know the other 29 aphorisms, and be willing to share them?

Also, /PythagorasGeneral/
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>>8380971
>Nourish a cock
Greeks gonna Greek.
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>>8380984
Assist a man in "raising a burden", ifyaknowhatImean

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