This is fucking hilarious, why do you guys hate it?
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>>8443061
Because I mistakenly saw a video of the same name involving gay scat.
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>>8443069
>mistakenly
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>>8443061
I'm not reading it after the huge letdown that was Cat's Cradle.
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Is there such a thing as too much technological advancement?
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>>8442971
Too much for what? If you mean for humans being humans, you may see such in your lifetime.
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>>8442971
You may see such in X years where X = X - 10
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>>8442971
Depends on your goals m8. If your goals are human happiness I think that ship sailed about 10 000 years ago.
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Is this really the only version of Gravity's Rainbow without misprints or smears? Bc it's pretty expensive and most other versions are cheaper
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The Penguin Classics one held up
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you can buy any edition now, they fixed the frank miller cover one
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>>8442934
where is it expensive? I bought it on Book Depository and I chose this one partly because it was the cheapest of all. It held up pretty well. Not the best quality paper but not terrible either. But don't buy it if it's overpriced
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I've been writing and reading more than usual this past two months, but I feel as if my writing is getting worse.
All my forum posts seem stodgy and constipated, as if each sentence is a rock-solid turd. There's no way any reader is digesting it.
My first poems were well-received (by /lit/izens) but their appeal seems to have gone downhill since then. I'm not sure if that means they're worse, but it's an indicator.
So much for my "talent" at English. I guess teachers have low standards.
I mean, I enjoy writing, so I won't give it up, but sometimes it seems a hopeless pursuit. I suppose with practise I'll learn how to crystallise my ideas in text.. it's just a damn slog.
I know you ktf. So is it just a matter of practise and being patient?
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how old are you?
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>>8442917
>will I improve at something if I practice
Seriously? You made this whole thread to blogpost and ask that single question? If your writing is as self obsessed and masturbatory as this post, then it's no wonder you think you're shit.
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What do you think of my summer reading list, /lit/?
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Stop being 18.
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>>8442816
I'm 19 tho
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>>8442823
Plebs not allowed. When I was 19 I was reading Beowulf in Old English and finishing up the last of Shakespeare's Histories.
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Anybody here on /lit/ pursue a PhD in English/any foreign language literature? If yes would love to know the following:
1. What school
2. What was a daily schedule like while earning the master's portion/the dissertation portion
3. What were your job prospects vs. how hard you worked to get a job lined up after graduation
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>>8442798
The Grad Cafe would be a better place to ask this, OP.
>http://forum.thegradcafe.com/
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Hijacking your thread to ask this:
How does the study of language and literature even work in anglo countries? I see so many studying "English" - what does it actually mean? Do you study English as a language, English literature, or literature from all over the world translated into English?
In my country you EITHER study language, such as English or German or whatever - which means you study things like grammar, OR you study literature - and that is literature from all over the world, read in whatever language the students know.
I'm just confused why it's called "majoring in English".
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>>8442924
sounds odd/untrue desu. what country are you from?
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ITT: Times you forgot to hide your power level
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>accidentally say Harry Potter wont be remembered in 100 years
>get laughed at
>stutter Blooms meme argument by they just argue over it without saying anything
>almost cry
>Mum is confused when I mention Macbeth and asks what part
>quote whole multitudinous seas part to her
>she is surprised but semi patrician so used to be able to do most of Hamlet and Macbeth herself
>get blackout drunk steal friends phone and ranted about Jude the Obscure and Bataille to a load of his friends in a chat they had
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>>8442689
this is just pure autism
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I don't know what this means. What's a power level?
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>main character is a writer
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>>8442667
>main character discusses his taste for literature
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>>8442667
>main character says something
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>Main character
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That feel when I saw a woman in her 40s, sitting next to her husband on the plane reading this. Poor lad seemed oblivious.
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She's probably a woman that tastes like cigarettes and sarcasm
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>>8442692
every male 'bohemian' probably tastes like cigarettes and sarcasm
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>>8442692
>bukowski
>tumblr filename
Kys asap please and thank you
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The 19th century Powerless Protagonist 2016-08-27 14:31:06 Post No.8442573
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The 19th century Powerless Protagonist
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Hi /lit/ first time poster and ignorant pleb here, I have a question which really pissed me off for a long time and I want an answer.
To get straight to the point, I'd like to know why were most protagonists in 19th-early 20th century novels and novellas so powerless. What I mean by that is that most of them weren't able to escape danger and threats or fight it with weapons or strength. I have seen it happen mostly in the fantastic genre as well as gothic horror. I have never ever witnessed a protagonist empower the threats and gain the upper hand be it with wits, might or anything. They were slasher movie-tier kind of destitute in these situations.
The archetype of this charachter is mostly a young noble or moderately rich man that is faced with the paranormal. You can see that cliché in Lovecraft, Poe, Maupassant and countless others. Why can't these guys defend themselves? Why were they so weak, even if they're faced with ancient evils, they would be able to act or do something. But no, they're always saved by deus ex machinas and stuff like that or just die or kill themselves.
This view of the powerless character has subsided in gothic horror movies like the ones made by Mario Bava. Basically, the hero in most of his movies is a young healthy noble guy faced with monsters and shit but doesn't do shit against them. He doesn't use his intelligence, nor his skills, nor even strength or anything. What drives me crazy is that they end up not being characters at all but puppets around which the plot evolves.
Another great and relatable exemple of this is the video game Amnesia where you play as this exact archetype of powerless protagonist. You can't fight, you can only hide and run. My question is: why were they so popular at that specific time in the history of fiction, from the 19th century until the 1960's?
Nowadays, you have exemples of powerless and unprepared protagonists that are still believable (for instance in Jeremy Saulnier movies like Blur Ruin and Green Room). The characters in these movies don't have any particular skills but still put up a fight.
So why were characters like that so widespread and popular at that time? Were they made to oppose the all-powerful characters of kights tales and epics in order to ground the book in a more realistic setting?
Tell me what you think about that /lit/.
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>>8442573
cant read all that
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>>8442626
B-but I thought this was /lit/?
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Most gothic horror novels talk about how powerless humanity is, and how ancient demons are far above us. I think the protagonist being powerless enforces that feeling. I like it.
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What's your favourite play?
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Our Town by Thornton Wilder
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>>8442549
Mother Courage.
My old drama teacher directed a class doing The Persecution of Jean Paul Marat + they had a whole bunch of crt tv's lining the stage + had live feed cameras recording De Sade's whipping. Apparently shit was cash
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>>8442549
Αισχύλου Αγαμέμνων.
I haven't even seen it and I don't need to.
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>tfw you have the mental capacity to have gone to oxford/cambridge but not the work ethic
where are my fellow underachievers?
I got accepted by leeds to study classics + philosophy with 60% attendance and no revision so that's a plus but I don't know if it's something to be proud of
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>>8442542
I don't really know how to parse uni quality around that level since they accepted some not so brilliant unis into the Russell Group. I don't believe Leeds is that bad and you can always apply for postgrad or senior status/affiliate at Oxford/Cambridge in a few years if you want (it'll cost you more directly tho).
I'd be tempted to go for an EU one if I were you tho.
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>>8442553
Any englishman who studies in Britain, with the possible exception of the good london Unis and Oxbridge, is a fool who is damning himself to debt and robbing himself of pretty foreigners.
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Does your dog even read /lit/?
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AYE BRUH THAT MOMENT WHEN YOU WITH THE SQUAD TRYNA SLIDE IN THEM DMS LIKE HMU IF YOU DOWN TO SMASH AND YOUR BROS LIKE HELL NAW AND YOU MAD AF LOL ;) ;) ;) XD XD XD
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>>8442520
Of course, he is purple pilled and spends his evenings chasing cats between dimensions.
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>>8442535
>white people pretending to be black
Is it worth becoming a literature teacher for college or high school?
Attending duke, and I've considered it for a long while now. I just fear future job prospects, what do you guys think? Seem like a solid idea?
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if you love it
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>>8442386
Of course, but even though I love music, I wouldn't major in that because of obvious reasons. Can we see long term what employment would look like?
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>>8442365
not high school. if you love literature, high school will just make you want to kill yourself. you never really get into real critical writing in high school and you're a glorified babysitter. I plan on teaching at my school after I'm done with graduate school (working on my /lit/ m.a. now) and I hope I can teach either critical methods or an upper level lit class.
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I need you to teach me /lit/.
First of all, I want to apologize. English isn't my first language but I'll try my best to express my doubts as clearly as possible.
My question is about old works of literature and how we read them today. I'm going to use Chaucer's Middle English and Shakespeare's Early Modern English as examples.
I notice that editions like Riverside Chaucer or RSC Shakespeare replace some symbols (I don't know names but there was the thorn letter) but stick with archaic words and expressions, explained in foot or end notes. I imagine this isn't modernizing the text, or at least not in the sense that the expression is used, as I understand that that refers to a complete translation into Modern English. So, how is this called? What's the name this is given?
Some days ago I read an anon talking about how the Divine Comedy was written in the Tuscan dialect and learning Italian would leave you miles away from actually being capable of reading it. I don't actually remember the exact words anon used, but wouldn't leaning Italian to read Dante be equivalent to learning Modern English and then read the Riverside Chaucer?
Anyway, I realize this may sound stupid to all of those who study literature but I hope someone comes down to my level and explain things to me.
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>>8442330
most of the people here read "translated" Chaucer, and the ones that read in the original probably didn' understand most of it and read just for "street cred", this is probably true to Shakespeare too.
I can't really comment tho, because I've read both of it inportuguese, but I would say the Comedy is way more distant to modern italian than Chaucer is to modern english
Keep in mind that there are few people in the world today that can read the Comedy in the original, even Bloom talks a lot of this book but all he knows is the english translation, and even then he comments on the beauty of the prose and structure, so translations aren't that bad, translations here are most of the time treated as a meme anyway
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>>8442383
I mean, it surely must be better to read it in Italian. I imagine Italians can't read 700 years old literature but neither can English speakers (even if the gap is a few centuries smaller).
The same way we read an Arden Shakespeare or whatever, they must have Italian editions that explain archaic expressions.
If you can read Spanish and Modern English, there's a reason you go for Chaucer in English even if you can't read Middle English. Doesn't the same happen with Italian and Dante?