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Itt: badly describe any book on philosophy and others try to guess it

>Yfw this kid understands philosophy better than most college students
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Dude everything is God and real lmao *grinds lens Jewishly*
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That's not a kid, that's a female.
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>>8439456
>its the Jews fault

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Name some novelists who you think understand and can/could write child characters well, and others you think had no idea how. Not just juvenile outwardly -- but to the point it's clear the author has empathy with either their former selves (more common) or with other children (seems to be harder due to the age and experience and psychological and biological gaps).

Good:

- Joyce in the first bit of Portrait (reminds me of how/ the way I asked questions of the world when I was younger, and extrapolated everything with a natural wonder -- e.g. "Stephen Dedalus lives in Ireland, British Isles, Europe, North Hemisphere, World, Solar System, Galaxy, Universe. Is there a wall around the universe or is there something bigger?")

- Mishima (usually retrospective of himself in some form, where he excels, but in general he succeeds even when describing child characters in adult terms)

Bad:

- Nabokov (even when they're narrating such as in Ada, he writes them like they're 60 year old Vladimir Nabokovs with higher libidos)

Mediocre:

- Lewis Carroll (Alice is written more for children than as one -- she's far too self-reflective, which is good for child readers as they need to be budged in that direction by the character themselves -- but it makes for weaker "child" character)
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Maybe it isn't so much that Alice isn't believably child-like, but rather she is sort of a vehicle to move the story from one fantastic place to another. He wrote the stories to amuse and groom the real life Alice Liddel, so I wonder if she is a good example to use.

But shit, now that I'm picking my brains I can't think of many other books that feature children which are not necessarily aimed at them. But many of those do suffer from the "main child is just a vehicle" problem. (For example, Harry Potter has no personality at all.)
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>>8439257
See that's why I always thought Harry potter was so realistic. Generally doing right, going with the flow, and not thinking about it too much.
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>>8439278
>>8439257

I think it's also that children are less critical of how a story functions under the hood. For example, kids don't realize that Harry Potter doesn't have a personality -- they give him one.

Watch some old videos or read some old books you loved as a YOUNG child and you'll realize that 80% of the enjoyment was self-created. Children project their fantasies onto existing stories, adults take them more at their word.

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Apart from IJ, what makes DFW's books difficult? And how can someone overcome it?
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The Beetle Leg isnt so much difficult as it is droll and meandering, with spurts of goodness.

I like Hawkes, but he's better when he drops the pretense. The Lime Twig felt like working a whole lot for very little.
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Very long sentences, vocabulary, and the different writing styles he uses throughout the book.

Overall its not "hard" to read. At first you don't know wtf is going on but you pick it up after about 250 pages in. During this time you also get used to the sentences and writing style.

My description of IJ is having a stack of shuffled papers spread across a table - as you read the book they start to organise themselves and by the time you start to understand (250-300 pages in), the papers start to arrange themselves into an order.

Just read it - its not as hard as people say. The end notes can be annoying though.
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Fuckers in school telling me, always in the barber shop DFW ain’t bout this, DFW ain’t bout that My boy a BD on fucking Lamron and them He, he they say that nigga don’t be putting in no work SHUT THE FUCK UP! Y'all niggas ain’t know shit All ya motherfuckers talk about Infinite Jest like it ain't no classic DFW ain’t this DFW a fake SHUT THE FUCK UP Y'all don’t live with that nigga Y'all know that nigga got some mental health problems and shit Nigga been on anti-depressants since fuckin, I don’t know when! Motherfuckers stop fuckin' playin' him like that Them niggas savages out there If I catch another motherfucker talking sweet about DFW I’m fucking beating they ass! I’m not fucking playing no more You know those niggas role with Pynchon and them

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ITT we post books that are overrated bullshit.

Pic related. As high school-tier as any other book, but somehow gets praised heaped on it

The prose is sarcastic and juvenile. The humor is Abbott and Costello "who's on first?" bullshit that goes nowhere, repeated over and over again. The theme is literally something I would think is thought-provoking in ninth grade: "The, like, meaninglessness of war!"

Basically one of the most adolescent books that has ever been considered a classic.
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>>8439024
Is this a new meme?
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>>8439104
the book is basically a reddit meme
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The Greeks are absolutely overrated and continue to perpetuate misconceptions about the world.

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Poo in Loo Edition

What Hindu theme books you read and recommend?

When was the last time you shat in the streets?

Do I have to fuck an Indian girl to gather Hinduism themes?

Recommendations:
>Fantasy
Selected: http://i.imgur.com/r688cPe.jpg/
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Flowchart: http://i.imgur.com/uykqKJn.jpg/

>Sci-Fi
Selected: http://i.imgur.com/A96mTQX.jpg/
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Previously: >>8429415
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Partway into "Black and White" by Jackie Kessler and Caitlin Kittredge, this unusual take on the superhero genre. Each author writes one of the protagonists, I think, which makes for a refreshing read and helps with keeping the characters' voices distinct.

It's set in Chicago (New Chicago, rebuilt after a natural disaster in an alternate-timeline present day) in the 2100s. Jet is this superheroine with shadow powers that are gradually driving her insane, because access and control over the shadows doesn't do you a ton of favors other than being incredibly powerful, and she's one of the city's mascot superheroes. However, rather than the city, she works for this monolithic multinational group called "CorpCo," which is less than aboveboard with its dealings. She means well, loving helping the public and defending justice, and also wants to bang her new assistant. Her former best friend, the other protagonist Iridium, is a light power who defected from the superhero academy and became a villainess who runs the South Side's criminal underground. Robin Hood type, robbing the rich and other criminals, CorpCo holdouts, and corrupt officials and using the money to finance awareness of political corruption and maintain the underfunded ghetto she controls.

It's massing up for some crazy shit to go down, and I want them to both be master criminals together to bring down The Man™ and for Jet to finally screw her hot new assistant. Pls. Just do it Jet
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>>8438837
Do not bully Akka

He's a good boy who did nothing wrong.

Dunyain scum must be removed.
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Do you guys know anything about Grace of Kings by Ken Liu? Any good?

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Is this whole book just a warning against nihilism?
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>>8438746
It's existentialism for dummies and a very enjoyable read.
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>>8438746
Nihilism will get you killed, kids. Madame la guillotine--her quick kiss will freeze your heart and trim your height.
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>>8438746
I suppose not, but it's a meaningless question anyway.

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Most philosophy seems to channel confusion instead of understandment,
why is this?
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ur dum
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>>8438705
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Unlike the sciences, philosophy does not aim to be beneficial or elucidating.

What are some jobs you can get with a degree in english or comparative literature? They don't have to be entirely related.
>inb4 STEM
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>>8438103
Bump because I'm majoring in Comp Lit and am starting to get anxious. Staying in academia sounds comfy though
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>>8438114
Really? 49% unemployment rate sounds comfy? I've also considered academia, but it sounds pretty hellish out there
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I used to be an English major until I realized I was wasting my money. Seriously, why bother? If you want to get a job, you're in the wrong major.

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Post the best book from your nation.
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Literally nothing good.

In Australia no one has time to write because of all the kangaroo invasions that the mainstream news don't report
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>>8436777
>mfw eurocucks will never come close to the literary greatness of Moby Dick

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>“But the Koran cannot be ignored, as it is a work of genius we badly need to study.”

>“Audacity, a crucial characteristic of Muhammad in every way, marks The Koran’s achievement of a literary effect unlike any other.”

Is he right?
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Source?
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>>8434283
Sure, it can be found at fucking google it you web illiterate nonce.
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>>8434282
cuck lmoa

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Novella roll thread nearly at capacity, keeping it alive because a lot of people seem interested.
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rolll
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>>8431420
Roll
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Roll for a good one please

Post the best book you've ever read
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Divine Comedy
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Better than War and Peace t b h
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Just noticed there wasn't a critique thread up.

I don't really have anything I want critiqued, but I'm willing to look at any anon's work. However, I would like some remuneration for the time spent doing so. After all, nobody has any time these days, so I think it's reasonable to demand payment for your (and my) work, despite having no credentials whatsoever (academic background, experience etc.) to justify doing so.

Anyhoo, the rates are about $1 per page for novels and $50 per hour for shorter material (and you'll have to just trust that I'm not a retard that takes an entire afternoon to read flash fiction).

I'll give you 500-1500 words of feedback and possibly make a thread promoting your work tomorrow if I really liked it.

I will not read unsolicited material for free
I will not read unsolicited material for free
I will not read unsolicited material for free
*sips coffee*
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To be honest I imagine most material that he gets is so terrible I wouldn't read it for less than $200 per hour.
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give it a rest m8
ur wastin ur time worrying about this guy
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No discernible talent

that'll be $1079 :)

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Who is reading Medieval literature this summer? No translations. Read Everyman, Secunda Pastorum, and Sir Orfeo this week. Tomorrow I start Sir Gawain and the Green Knight. Hopefully next week I will finish Piers Plowman so that I can start The Canterbury Tales.
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>>8419476
best medieval
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Best translation of Sir Gawain?

Is Marie Borroff's good?
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>>8419520
Just get the Penguin Classics edition of the works of the Gawain poet. They are heavily annotated, especially Sir Gawain.

Have you read any of Rupert Sheldrake's books? I picked up The Science Delusion from the library. Pretty interesting stuff. I just ordered another one of his books off Amazon.
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>>8443894
What is this about? Because if it's about scientism, it may be good.
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>>8443928
Not OP but if I remember correctly he talks about the flaws and fallacies of science and scientific bases which are fragile, like speed of light being constant (it's not)
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>>8443928
From Google books:
The science delusion is the belief that science already understands the nature of reality. The fundamental questions are answered, leaving only the details to be filled in. In this book, Dr Rupert Sheldrake, one of the world's most innovative scientists, shows that science is being constricted by assumptions that have hardened into dogmas. The sciences would be better off without them: freer, more interesting, and more fun.
According to the dogmas of science, all reality is material or physical. The world is a machine, made up of dead matter. Nature is purposeless. Consciousness is nothing but the physical activity of the brain. Free will is an illusion. God exists only as an idea in human minds, imprisoned within our skulls.

But should science be a belief-system, or a method of enquiry? Sheldrake shows that the materialist ideology is moribund; under its sway, increasingly expensive research is reaping diminishing returns.

In the skeptical spirit of true science, Sheldrake turns the ten fundamental dogmas of materialism into exciting questions, and shows how all of them open up startling new possibilities.

The Science Delusion will radically change your view of what is possible. and give you new hope for the world

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