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>>8443722
I tried, but learning at my own pace tended to be to o slow

>>8443729
5 star post, literally Yogi Berra incarnate

>>8443758
I like pic-a-nic baskets

Das good to know

What if they tear the page?

tht bby

>>8443694
probably not

>>8443694
Yeah.

depends on the topic and how i feel about the person i'm talking to.

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>>8443607

See the kid.

Swift as a spirit hastening to his task
Of glory and of good, the sun sprang forth,
Rejoicing in its splendour, and the mask
Of darkness fell from the awakened earth.

>>8443591
>white nationalism
>race realism
>anti-feminism
>national socialism
>My Twisted World
>the Bell Curve

>>8443591
I study astronomy and people love asking and listening about dying stars. No room for other subjects.

>>8443591

Just did a lot of talking desu

Got a job at a club forcing me to speak to hundreds of guests every weekend, and also tried to assume more leadership roles in class projects, study groups, and whatever else in college. I also listen to a lot of podcasts.

Writers have interesting thoughts but many of them are spergs in social situations. You're better off asking questions and keeping the convo moving rather than trying to show off.

Finally, how you speak and carry yourself is 100x more important than what you actually say. We live in a visual world. Get a haircut and step up your look. People will come to you.

>>8443587
Maybe read some analytical philosophy instead of this cuckoldry

>>8443587
Just recapped Hip. Min. yesterday, and this is the relevant passage from a companion to Plato I downloaded and have been glancing at after the last few dialogues I knocked out:

>The starting point is the hypothesis that all deception comes from knowledge and a capacity (or power: dunamis), for the deceiver must be capable (dunatos) of deceiving, and can be so only on the condition of having knowledge in the field in which he is to carry out his decep- tion (sophos kai dunatos, 366a; Weiss 1981). It is this affirmation that collides head on with the ethical theory Plato makes Socrates
profess in the dialogues, a doctrine accord- ing to which excellence or virtue (aretê) is a form of knowledge or reflection (Jantzen 1989). On the other hand, if one maintains that knowledge is morally ‘neutral’, insofar as its application may vary according to the subject practicing it, it can no longer be iden- tified with moral excellence. We then witness the ruin of another major thesis of Platonic ethics, according to which the freedom of an individual finds its limit, according to Plato, in the demand for a self-realization that affirms that no one can wish for his own destruction and his own death, his own ‘evil’, but that every individual desires to be happy, by conquering his happiness or his well-be- ing (cf. for instance Gorgias 509e, Meno 78a, Protagoras 345d).
The most radical consequence of these premises, which Hippias and Socrates are obliged to accept on several occasions (par- ticularly at 366b–c, 367a, 367e, 368b–9a, etc.), is the following: if having knowledge and being capable of something means that one is ‘good’ (agathos) at it, or that one is ‘the best’ (aristos) at it, then the man who is ‘good’ or ‘the best’ will necessarily be the onewhodeceives,thatis,theonewho‘does wrong’ (366c–7a). At first glance, the Hp. Mi. thus ends with an admission of defeat (376b–c), for Socrates and Hippias cannot accept that it pertains to a good man to choose deception and voluntary wrongdo- ing; yet they cannot succeed in correcting the argument. Yet, it is possible to read the course of the discussion in another way, by asking, Do the competence and capacity that enable one to tell the truth or to deceive, to distinguish and then to practise the true or the false by exercising free choice presup- pose a genuine indifference with regard to good and evil on the part of the agent? In other words, do ‘knowing’ and ‘being able to

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>>8445203
>do’ evil necessarily imply that one does it? Is the knowledge that leads one to do evil genuine knowledge? As Aristotle empha- sizes, alluding explicitly to these difficulties (see Metaphysics 5.29, 1025a2–1; cf. also Nicomachean Ethics 7 3, 1145b), the demon- stration of the Hp. Mi. puts to the test a cer- tain idea of knowledge (sophia), understood as the neutral possession of several items of theoretical knowledge, which are trans- lated into technical competence and practi- cal capacities. This conception of knowledge is characteristic of the epistemological and ethical doctrine of the sophists (q.v.), at least insofar as Plato depicts and refutes it. In this sophistic perspective, ‘knowledge’ indeed leads to a ‘know-how’, indifferent in itself to good and evil, and the choice of good or of evil, detached from knowledge, remains up to the agent. Reading the Hp. Mi. in this way, and imputing the aporiai of the dia- logue to the sophistic conception of knowl- edge, one immediately realizes what must be opposed to the sophist, at the same time as the result of these aporiai: the Platonic ethi- cal doctrine of excellence as knowledge. For, theknowledgethatcoincideswithexcellence consists, according to Plato, in the posses- sion of a knowledge that contains its good (agathon) within it: that is, the element that guides and orients the agent’s will and his choice. One must concede that all knowl- edge implies the knowledge of good and evil (with regard to its objects and with regard to its eventual implementation), so that no neutral knowledge exists, nor, consequently, does any will that is indifferent to good and evil. The sophoi kai dunatoi, who were to deceive intentionally, according to Hippias, turn out to be bereft of genuine knowledge: if they choose in full cognizance that they are deceiving, their knowledge lacks the indispensable awareness of the distinction
between good and evil and is therefore not genuine knowledge. If, however, they deceive unintentionally, this can obviously only be through ignorance of the good.
Taking the measure of the conflict between the paradoxical ethics assumed in the Hp. Mi. and the Platonic doctrine of excellence (aretê), one is able to see more satisfacto- rily the meaning of the dialogue, and the direction Socrates wishes to impose upon the discussion. We are invited to do this by the discussion at 376b, when Socrates adds a restriction to his conclusion according to which ‘the person who behaves and works in a shameful and unjust way . . . can only be the man who is good’, adding nonchalantly, ‘if a man of this kind exists. . . .’ However, for the reasons that have just been indicated, this man cannot exist if aretê is really a form of knowledge.

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Let me know if that gives you an ideas you'd like to discuss. Also sorry for the fucked greentext attempts.

>>8443579
>how one is free

You aren't. Read Nietzsche, Marx, and Freud.

>>8443586
Done some Nietzsche, but I should probably read Capital, and I'll give Freud a go.

>>8443579
Buddhism, mindfulness, meditation
Siddharta - Hesse
Rumi's poetry
Myth of Sisyphus
Aurelius

>>8443415

Animal Farm isn't much more than a fable for kids, which can be summed up as "you know, its cool you want to break the exploitation of labor and all, but here's what has happened every time it's been tried", which is more powerful coming from someone so fond of Marxism as Orwell.

1984 has a bit more heft to it. The only problems are that it is still largely fable, and as a novel the structure is really poorly executed. also it doesn't name the jew (I'm kidding)

Clearly you are reading for the plot, and so we can safely discard your opinions as nonsense.

>It's just some dude going crazy after his uncle becomes king
>It's just some kid wandering around New York and whining
>It's just some bootlegger who wants a girlfriend
>it's just some senile salesman and his kids

>>8443458
>Clearly you are reading for the plot, and so we can safely discard your opinions as nonsense.

Plot is the most essential part of any fiction book. It's the main tool through which the ahthor's ideas are presented, detailed and analyzed. If your plot is shit (which is the case with 1984) then your ideas aren't going to make any impact even if they're great (which, in the case of 1984, just weren't).

If you feel a natural repulsion to enjoying a plot, drop reading novels all together and stick to essays.

>>8443412
You sound like a boring drone. Don't bother reading it, you probably won't like it.

Its not a kids book.

Agree with ^ anon, why not use your time wisely and re-read Infinite Jest?

I just read the complete series earlier this summer and didn't laugh once. It was a strange melancholy because I felt the whole time it was something I should have read years ago.

>>8443378
name 1 book that does this

>>8443378
All my classic french plays are like this. The play is like 10 pages long but the books are like 60 pages. That's an exaggeration but still

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>>8443387
Here is my copy of Marcus Aurelius' meditations. The middle group is the actual meditations. The outer groups are editor's notes and introductory drivel.

Go to libgen and pirate Sandberg's German for Reading

Don't listen to anyone who says shit like memrise or duolingo, or Michel Thomas, Pimsleur, or anything like that

If you want to learn a language you need to understand its basic building blocks and structure, not have guesswork skimming ability in day-to-day conversation about

>>8443276
I'm assuming he wants to know how to speak German, so Michel Thomas would be good for that if you can't find a German friend; you're right about the other programs. You should also get dual language books. Dover has some.

Myself, I'm using Basic German by Schenke right now and I have a Siddhartha dual language book.

>>8443265
m8 just go read some Goethe

>>8443260
yep. didnt read tho

Is there a single poster on /lit/ willing to read this?

>>8443260
>Is this poorly written?
yes

No, they are for the most part barely literate idiots.
I could list you some conservative authors of significant quality, but frogposters don't read.

start with

My Twisted World - Elliot Rodger
Infinite Jest - Thomas "DFW" Joyce

>>8443242
textbooks on logic, science, and biology

>>8443178
Butt sex in progress.

Constipation. I've had it before.

The photograph is originally of that man ejaculating (source: look it up yourself)
If it's a word you're looking for I'm sure it wouldn't be too hard to make up one

Read it as you think a cowboy would.

>>8443117

Boredom.

>>8443117
dont bother because if you have too ask your a faggot ....a raging one at that...leave