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I see a lot of people interested in Book of the New Sun here. Some people are eager to jump in, others are intimidated. I've read the book about eleven times, so I just want say a few words and address people who are thinking about reading it or are just beginning.

Before you embark on your journey into the mind of a genius, you have to understand a few things that are very important. When we talk about Gene Wolfe, we’re talking about a man whose I.Q. could not be measured. Past 200, I.Q. tests get imprecise. We don’t know whether we’re dealing with a man with an I.Q. of 200 or 300 or what. When it comes to Wolfe-tier geniuses, the standard tests simply don’t apply. You see, Wolfe could have entered any field he wanted. He was a real-life Will Hunting. He could’ve been a doctor or a lawyer, or both, if he wanted. He could’ve been a pioneer in physics. He could’ve been a codebreaker for the NSA. But no. He decided to be a writer. He decided to devote his life to aesthetic beauty and to illuminating for us the way to live. That was the beauty and the tragedy of his life. In one way, it’s a blessing to have been born in Wolfe’s time, to be able to hear his voice in interviews, to hear him delivering his famous commencement speech, which is already transforming people both intellectually and spiritually. On the other hand, I will surely die before we know even half of the secrets buried within the labyrinth of Book of the New Sun. That I consider a curse.

It’s been forty-six years since Book of the New Sunwas published and scholars have only begun to come to terms with its full implications. This is what you must understand. Wolfe reverse-engineered not only the novel, but all of Western literature as well as language itself. Packed within Book of the New Sun is Hamlet, The Brothers Karamazov, Gravity’s Rainbow, Ulysses, and everything else. Hell, it even serves as an overview of human history, from dawn to today. It’s a book you could spend a lifetime studying. A lifetime spent in bliss, no doubt. It would be more worthwhile to spend one’s life reading and rereading Book of the New Sun than to achieve being “well-read” in the traditional sense.

I don’t say this to intimidate you, but to encourage you. You must understand that, on your first time through, you will not understand everything Wolfe is trying to communicate to you. Don’t worry. He knew things about life that we won’t discover for decades. Your job is merely to get on the road. In the decades to come, we may, if we’re lucky, discover scientific applications for the new ways of thinking Wolfe gave us. We may have to throw out science altogether. We simply don’t know. For now, we have to be content with our vanguard roles. We are the ones who will break the ground and loosen the soil for Wolfe’s future interpreters. This is not only our pleasure, but our duty. And for that, as Wolfe famously said, “I wish you way more than luck.”
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Too long 3/10
Your bait needs to be punchy and repeatable
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Oh, it's punchy and repeatable, all right.

I see a lot of people interested in icycalm here. Some people are eager to jump in, others are intimidated. I've read his oeuvre about eleven times, so I just want say a few words and address people who are thinking about reading him or are just beginning.

Before you embark on your journey into the mind of a genius, you have to understand a few things that are very important. When we talk about icycalm, we’re talking about a man whose I.Q. could not be measured. Past 200, I.Q. tests get imprecise. We don’t know whether we’re dealing with a man with an I.Q. of 200 or 300 or what. We can’t measure it. When it comes to Icycalm-tier geniuses, the standard tests simply don’t apply. You see, Icycalm could have entered any field he wanted. He was a real-life Will Hunting. He could’ve been a doctor or a lawyer, or both, if he wanted. He could’ve been a pioneer in physics. He could’ve been a codebreaker for the NSA. But no. He decided to be a writer. He decided to devote his life to video games and to illuminating for us the way to critique them. That was the beauty and the tragedy of his life. In one way, it’s a blessing to have been born in Icycalm’s time, to be able to read his blog, to see his famous forum posts, which are already transforming people both intellectually and spiritually. On the other hand, I will surely die before we know even half of the secrets buried within the labyrinth of Orgy of the Will. That I consider a curse.

It’s been four years since Orgy of the Will was written and scholars have only begun to come to terms with its full implications. This is what you must understand. Icycalm reverse-engineered not only video game critique, but all of Western literature as well as language itself. Packed within Orgy of the Will is Hamlet, The Brothers Karamazov, Gravity’s Rainbow, Ulysses, and everything else. Hell, it even serves as an overview of human history, from dawn to today. It’s a web page you could spend a lifetime studying. A lifetime spent in bliss, no doubt. It would be more worthwhile to spend one’s life reading and rereading Orgy of the Will than to achieve being “well-read” in the traditional sense.

You must understand that, on your first time through, you will not understand everything Icycalm is trying to communicate to you. Don’t worry. He knew things about life that we won’t discover for decades. Your job is merely to get on the road. In the decades to come, we may, if we’re lucky, discover scientific applications for the new ways of thinking Icycalm gave us. We may have to throw out science altogether. We simply don’t know. For now, we have to be content with our vanguard roles. We are the ones who will break the ground and loosen the soil for Icycalm’s future interpreters. This is not only our pleasure, but our duty. And for that, as Icycalm famously said, "I wish you way more than luck."
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>>8702273
I was about to read it, then I realised it is a shitpost. Too long to bait, too long for memes without any pasta value.

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Has anyone read this? Came upon the concept after watching westworld.
>Tldr, Humans up until recently (time of the Iliad) were unconscious automata, who simply responded to commands of voices one part of the brain produced, which they identified as the gods.
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retarded
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>>8701827
I've read about it. it's a fun idea but I'm pretty sure it's bullshit.
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Yeah I've read it. It's a good book to read. The reasoning for the most part is sound, though a lot of the information he bases it on is obsolete or considered plain wrong today.

If it doesn't interest you after a chapter or so, don't bother with the rest of the book.

IMHO it's a nice thought experiment and reading the book is worth it for that reason alone.

why do you take philosophy seriously, /lit/?
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>>8701194
gets me paid, gets me laid. Stops me having a mid life crisis and needing to buy a brand new car that loses 10% of it's retail value driving out the sales lot. Why don't you take it seriously?
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>>8701194
I don't. Taking the redpill made me realize that philosophy is just muh feels for leftists

human nature, science, logic, rationality >>>>>> muh feels philosophy, lol we're all beings-towards-death so you can't be racist or hate women xD
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>>8701194
Hasn't it been replaced by neuroscience?

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>>8701171
Rekt
/thread
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They can't, and they don't try to, you fucking sperg.

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Are the three Abrahamic texts, and the three religions that derive from them: Judaism, Chrisianity, and Islam, the greatest works that explore human nature?
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>>8701030
I personally didnt like the five books

the quran is a pretty good read and would recommend it but it didnt come off super well, probably some of it is lost in translation since I can't read arabic

the bible is the bible, if you havent read it front to back before then you really should, even if youre an atheist it is a major book that impacted human history arguably more then any other
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>>8701030
>three
What about mormonism and all the denominations? what about Waldensians and Catharism?
> the greatest works that explore human nature?
no
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>>8701030
I hope not. The old testament and the quran are petty tribal power fantasies.

For depth and breadth and subtlety and awareness stick with the Greeks.

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I've never read this before

Would now be a good time to start?
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>>8700967
Eh well I don't really know much about you so it may or not be the best time to start senpai.

Anyways, I only came to appreciate it after reading on the psychoanalysis of Holden and stuff senpai.

The ducks go in my butt lmaooo
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Depends. Are you willing to get back in touch with your 16 year old self?
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>>8700995
would you happen to have a link to any of these analysis so I can come back to them when I finish?

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So this guy is coming to where I live. What should I give/say to him?
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take him coffin shopping. he's ready.
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>>8700795

just read his books, you fanboi

yo también voy a verlo <3
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>>8700795
Why would Houellebecq go anywhere? Doesn't sound like him.

Halt scrolling!
What's your excuse for spending this time on 4chan when you could be reading a book at the moment?
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>>8700456
I've collected a trove of wisdom from reading, yet my circumstances in life mean I will never amount to anything. Disseminating this wisdom to /lit/izens seems utile desu
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I don't read every waking moment of my life you cuck.
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I need my daily dose of memes to function properly.

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I enjoy the otherness and introspective nature of Japanese literature but all too often it's melancholic or depressing to read. That's fine, but sometimes I want to read something a bit less moody. Surely there's something out there?
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>>8700309
i can't fucking find the appeal to these girls
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>>8700315
Nor can their men.
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anything by nishio isshin is very nice
He's a /lit/ type who does anime and a few manga, his stories all are very positive in nature.

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>try to make a career in the social sciences
>have to be a marxist of some kind to be accepted and respected in that community
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>Try to make a career in the field that's a shitty lovechild of the cuckiest parts of continental philosophy and scientism
>You have to be a marxist
Shocking
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>>8700283
Not true. There are conservative sociologists like Daniel Bell who do decent work. Some of their conclusions are still retarded though, but I suppose that's the case with all authors regardless of their political stance.
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>>8700283
>you have to believe in Science to be a Scientist

big fucking surprise

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is it worth it to get one? How easy is it to pirate e-books? I was planning on either getting the cheapest one or the Kindle Paperwhite. Is the paperwhite worth it? I don't have a lot of money to spend on it.

Or should I go with another e-reader (something like a Kobo)?
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>>8700131
I have the base model kindle and its great, but I prefer paper books. Most books have a mobi version out there and you covert epubs to mobi, so piracy is pretty easy. Don't be memed into buying an expensive e-reader.
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I've been researching the fuck out of this for the past couple of days and decided not to get an ereader.

In terms of pirating ebooks, it's easy as fuck. Hell, it's in /lit/'s sticky.

In terms of presentation and other small things, ereaders are better than tablets/phones. However, if you have a moderate-to-large size phone, you'll have more capability and significantly more mobility than with an ereader (because most people *always* have their phones with them when they're out and about).

e-Ink does seem nice, but having to deal with low processing speed, low storage, no color, limited networking, etc. makes a decent phone a better alternative. My Nexus 6 + MoonReader app + bookzz, et al., is a simple setup.
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>>8700187
Well, my new phone is arriving tomorrow (a Nexus 5x, I'm a poorfag). I'll see if it works well enough to read.

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What books did you read in October?
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Oh right, I forgot /lit/ doesn't actually read, they just talk about reading.
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I read...

The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch by PKD
Masters of Doom by David Kushner
and started, now almost done, with The Corrections by Jonathan Franzen

I bought The Bell Jar to read, OP. I hope it is good; I want to experience more women writers from pre-2000s desu. Mother Night is an underrated Vonnegut book in my opinion, but it's a little different than what he usually does.
What did you think of it?
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>>8700123
>>8700147
Dumbass, lit is a slow board.

Anyway, I also read the bell jar, thought it was either pretty great or excellent.
I guess I don't feel completely taken by it, but it was a good ride and I enjoyed almost all of it.
I guess I'm not that fond of the prose (I'll probably never read her poems) but some phrases here and there are incredibly quotable imo.

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The Sound and The Fury is a more difficult read than Ulysses.
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Verbosity is a good indicator of pretentiousness.
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>>8700022
The explanation I've heard is that Ulysses is more straightforward but filled to the brim with references, while The Sound and the Fury is presented in a more complex way yet is ultimately a "what you see is what it's about" kind of book.
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>>8700044
Good post anon. Not being sarcastic

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Chart thread
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>>8697988
My nigga! That's my favourite chart. You're doing God's work, anon.
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how about the supreme meme chart :--DDD
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Does anyone have the chart about escaping society? Would greatly appreciate it.

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How many books did you aim to read this year? How many have you read up until now?
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>>8695427

last year I aimed for 50 books, ended up near 100 and no social life.

this year I aimed for 100 books, ended up reading 20-30 and getting into a relationship and fixing all the problems in my life.
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Is it normal to just read 3 or so books over and over again for the whole year
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>>8695438
Which three were they?

was thinking of doing a book challenge thing this year, maybe starting with 50, but I don't want to read because of some made up obligation. What if it starts feeling like homework?

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