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To those who study literature, how would you define a 'close reading' task?

I'm well into my degree and have never done well in them because I've never understood that you aren't meant to write them with a particular focus in mind. They are typically handed out in the middle of term and aren't worth many marks.

I've got a short one due in and we were basically told the essay should be as though someone has asked you 'tell me what the text/passage is about, and how do you know this?'. This seems overly simplistic to me, and varies massively from the standard style of an essay where you take a text speak about how it's content relates and speaks to certain themes, for example money, gender, human perception or your choice of a million other things you can do.

How the shit do you do get marks from simply saying what the text is about?
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>This seems overly simplistic to me
Yes, to me as well.
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>>9244899
You are possibly, when commenting on the quotes, supposed to demonstrate how they say something about the wholw text, the author's style, the literary movement it represents, the use of literary techniques, etc. I guess the school's description of your class subject states some learning goals that they expect you to respond to and demonstrate, if it is a historically oriented subject, a thematically oriented subject, etc.
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>What is this passage about?
>Uh... um... I don't know...

Sounds like your literature studies are paying off, OP.

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who here has read the entire meme trilogy? which one is the best? ive only read one but Im not gonna say which
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please explain the meme this triade implies, new to lit here
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>>9244822
Gravity's rainbow is the best. Ulysses is boring as fuck. Infinite jest is good but it doesn't belong to be there with these memes. Put in the recognitions for infinite jest. Then the recognitions would be the best of the 3.
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>>9244822
read all three. joyce if i had to choose

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I'll start
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>>9244778
ah yes the good old days of two weeks ago. the board was better then. classic.
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I'm a huge Orson Welles
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>>9244778
obligatory

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What are some good books about Diogenes and his ideas?
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Is that bitch floating
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my diary desu has a chapter about Diogenes
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>>9244671
Shit

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>Dante titles his masterpiece "Commedia"
>Boccaccio calls it "La Divina Commedia"
>goes down in history with Boccaccio's title

WTF
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Commedia was too generic
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>>9244559
it's cuzza that goofy fucking hat.
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it goes like it because it became a very popular attribution - and remember that titles for written operas were something really not important at the time. most latin poetry didn't have titles, not to mantion shakespear's sonnettos which went by number

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Is there an example of a self-important "philosopher" whose thoughts were utterly inane? Something like "The Room" of philosophy.
>inb4 naming a well regarded philosopher
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my diary desu
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L. Ron Hubbard if that counts
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Icycalm

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I don't think I have ever come across a truly memorable sonnet.

Give me your favorite no matter which form.
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From My Ultra Top-Secret and Personal Gratitude Diary

I like the way the birds fly —
esp. the ones that remind me of celebrities.
“Fly away oriole Donny Wahlberg —
there’s no joy here!”

I praise God for each sunrise
and for giving me the strength to learn
I could eat 17 tacos in a sitting.
Restaurant tacos. Texas and California.

The simple things: the smell of vanilla,
the cadence of a Baudelaire poem,
keeping one hand in my pocket so I can
give people the finger when they talk to me.

Dear Failures, do you like
your Atlanta Thrashers mittens?
Or is it time for cinnamon wine
and feeding the Carrie Underwood canaries?
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Shakespeare 130

My mistress' eyes are nothing like the sun;
Coral is far more red than her lips' red;
If snow be white, why then her breasts are dun;
If hairs be wires, black wires grow on her head.
I have seen roses damask'd, red and white,
But no such roses see I in her cheeks;
And in some perfumes is there more delight
Than in the breath that from my mistress reeks.
I love to hear her speak, yet well I know
That music hath a far more pleasing sound;
I grant I never saw a goddess go;
My mistress, when she walks, treads on the ground:
And yet, by heaven, I think my love as rare
As any she belied with false compare.
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Francesco Petrarca

You who hear the sound, in scattered rhymes,
of those sighs on which I fed my heart,
in my first vagrant youthfulness,
when I was partly other than I am,

I hope to find pity, and forgiveness,
for all the modes in which I talk and weep,
between vain hope and vain sadness,
in those who understand love through its trials.

Yet I see clearly now I have become
an old tale amongst all these people, so that
it often makes me ashamed of myself;

and shame is the fruit of my vanities,
and remorse, and the clearest knowledge
of how the world’s delight is a brief dream.

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/lit/ should make a literary criticism reading list so posters can discuss books beyond saying the prose is good.
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>>9244392
Go for it, but break it down by framing methodology.

Lit posters who are largely unaware would probably get a kick out of New Criticism, especially antebellum apologist strains like I'll Take My Stand. Probably apostolic canonical traditions as expressed by Bloom as well. Nobody ever talks about Anxiety of Influence around here despite fawning all over Bloom for standing up to the big bad culture warriors.
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>>9244392
Can you just tell me how to critique a book please.
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>>9244392
no list is required, it would be billions of lines long. The best way is to google "(book title) essay" "(book title) criticism" "(book title) lecture notes" "(book title/author) scholarship"

The fact lit doesn't do this has nothing to do with not knowing the resources but sheer laziness or unwillingness to do the actual work needed in actually reading a book. Don't tell me that the website that can find some random booktuber's home address within the hour has trouble finding resources on books.

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>yfw you realize that virtue is just the continuation of aesthetics in the moral plane
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*thok* noice
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>be goethe
>been there
>done that
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>>9244346
nice thought anon, gave me the feels just reading that

/lit/ is a cool place

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So greentext is now considered as a new literary genre by the whole internet community (mostly beta fucks), however, you often see it executed with this childish "be me" style telling shitty anecdotes, but what if we try to make actual short stories with it?

ITT: write short stories making use of the greentext tecnique. Preferably not too long ones. If the result is any good, I'll collect all the greentexts and print the book myself
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>>9244211
how about we don't, and you just pretend we did?
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>>9244211
>A boy falls in love with a girl.
>Unable to confess, he is gifted with by a deus ex machina with the girl’s phone number. >Never minding the strange area code, he immediately calls her, and is overjoyed to find out that she has a crush on him as well.
>But, the next day, when he recounts the previous day’s confessions to the girl, she only looks at him with a perplexed expression.
>After some investigation, he finds out that the girl he called is not the same girl he fell in love with. In fact, she doesn’t exist in this universe at all. She is the girl’s alternate universe counterpart, who has fallen in love with the MC’s own AU self, who too is blissfully unaware of her crush.
>Hijinks ensue as the two strike up a deal to give each other their darkest, most private secrets in order to equip the other with the weapons they need to conquer the heart of their other selves. >While the two chase their respective loved ones, DRAMA ensues as they begin to fall in love with each other instead and question the NATURE of LOVE.
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>That exotic jungle leaving hiding her vagoo
bouta cum

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Now I see where Lovecraft got his ideas to make his stories from. I like Chamber way more though, his writing is much much better. (like most compared to LC)
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>>9244175
Somebody hasn't read anything but the title story.
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>>9245061
i was going to say.

Chambers: "woo woo scary leper dude down there in the street."

Lovecraft: "Elder gods will make your brains explode out of your eye sockets if you even LOOK AT THEM.'

https://vimeo.com/30798517

i would have linked to the youtube version, but it wants you to sign in, and fuck youtube.

> this video would have made Lovecraft cover his eyes
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>>9245061
I read the book, dipshit. The world Lovecraft created took it further and the mythos he formed is awesome, but I know I'm not alone when I say he wasn't a great writer.

A friend recommended me the Malasan books because I want to get into more fantasy yet only read LOTR so far.

Is this worth jumping into? If you like it, can you sell it to me how is it?
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Why don't you try reading the synopsis or the first chapter to see if you like it. :)
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>>9244137
1 Gardens of the Moon: Hmm, weird book. Not great but interesting.
2 Deadhouse Gates: This is fantastic fantasy with strong historical notes, amazing.
3 Memories of Ice: A brutal uncompromising book, enjoyable.
4 House of Chains: The first half is innovative, brilliant as far as modern fantasy goes.
5 Midnight Tides: Kind of a weird departure but ok.
6 The Bonehunters: I guess they had to follow up deadhouse
7 Reaper's Gale: hmm, this isnt very good
8 Toll the Hounds: this sucks
9 Dust of Dreams: (200 pages in) I have better things to read
10 The Crippled God: Probably will never read it.
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>>9244137
> I want to get into more fantasy
why do you even want to do that

You learn more when you listen to music like schubert's winterreise than reading any book. You learn more when listening to stravinsky's rite of spring than any book could ever teach you. Yet people value knowledge, as if the superficial, transitory things that exist on planet earth which are ever changing, could ever give you the strong neural connections created through listening to music. Have you ever been in the midst of a song and felt as though your brain was connecting in ways you never knew, and you were experiencing experiences beyond words? What it teaches you is beyond what can be regurgitated in a textbook, it shapes your brain in every conceivable way yet cannot be attributed to the capitalist bourgeois system, because it is pure knowledge, not superficial transient knowledge.
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>>9244116

what do you learn though? that it sounds nice? doesn't seem like much.
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>>9244136
"And here are trees and I know their gnarled surface, water and I feel its taste. These scents of grass and stars at night, certain evenings when the heart relaxes-how shall I negate this world whose power and strength I feel? Yet all the knowledge on earth will give me nothing to assure me that this world is mine. You describe it to me and you teach me to classify it. You enumerate its laws and in my thirst for knowledge I admit that they are true. You take apart its mechanism and my hope increases. At the final stage you teach me that this wondrous and multicolored universe can be reduced to the atom and that the atom itself can be reduced to the electron. All this is good and I wait for you to continue. But you tell me of an invisible planetary system in which electrons gravitate around a nucleus. You explain this world to me with an image. I realize then that you have been reduced to poetry: I shall never know. Have I the time to become indignant? You have already changed theories. So that science that was to teach me everything ends up in a hypothesis, that lucidity founders in metaphor, that uncertainty is resolved in a work of art. What need had I of so many efforts? The soft lines of these hills and the hand of evening on this troubled heart teach me much more."
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>>9244116
Does OP, by chance, play an instrument?

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>in home
>fast reader, make clever observations on what I read, brain works fast and clean
>in school
>one hour per page, dont retain shit, have to read several times to get the basics of the text, brain feels slow and and dusty
Why does this happen, how do I fix it
Please help me, this is not helping me reach my goals
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>>9244109
Sounds motivation related.
Or maybe you smoke weed, bu only at home (or only in school)?

I really came to post that I'm 52 years old, and your pic is giving me flashbacks to third grade.
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>>9244109
Does being at school cause you any kind of anxiety? That could make things harder.
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>>9244158
No I'm not smoking weed
How does a 50 year old find this place

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Is rape ok?
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No, it's not.
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Nope
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The weak should fear the strong.

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