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How exactly can the ancient Roman economy be described? It's not feudalism (at least not until Diocletian) and it definitely wasn't capitalism or mercantilism. Proto-feudal agriculturalism?
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Oiikeic
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From what I can vaguely remember from my studies some people believe that the Roman Empire had something called a tributary economy, which is what more modern empires are believe to have had, like the Mughal and Ching.
Walter Scheidel is a big name, also Finley.
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Why do so many Middle Eastern nations, or Muslim majority nations in general, come under the control of brutal dictators? Dictatorships that repress freedoms, and practice religious persecution to such a high extent. Also why is it that whenever a country such as America wants to become involved, the world paints it as a war of imperialism or to get oil. But when a country such as Russia supports a dictator in Syria, then it's a war of freedom or liberation.
I'm not trying to make a political thread. I just seriously don't understand why the Middle East, and anything related to it, seems so different from a humanitarian stand point than any other region of the world.
I'm using this photo because people use this quote to show how the U.S. just wanted to become imperialist and go after oil. However, one thing people leave out is that either all of these countries were under a dictatorship, foreign invasion force that was controlled by a dictator, Lebanon, or absurdly corrupt, Somalia.
If we really wanted oil from the ME why wouldn't we just go after the Gulf Nations, do the people that say this type of thing forget that the U.S. military is stronger than all of them combined?
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Middle Eastern dictators are preferable to letting the people elect a "convert or die" religious nutter.
Turkey (earlier) and Egypt (as of late) have proven that a strong guide is needed to secularize and modernize a country and their militaries have been the safeguards of their democracy.
The US has a horrible track record, they topple dictators and have nothing to fill the power vacuum, and prolonged military oversight is costly and unpopular, both with the occupied people and at home. Also, they only topple dictatorships who's interests are opposed to theirs (case in point, they're allied with the house of Saud), and that's where the imperialism part of the argument kicks in (comply or die).
Also, that's just a partial quote from Clark, that makes him out to be some tyrant, his full statement is that he saw plans in the Pentagon to do so.
No one is saying that Russia is leading a war of freedom or liberation in Syria. Not even Russia is saying that. It's "an intervention with the purpose of restoring the constitutional order in Syria and it's president". What they did say is that they liberated Palmyra (a city with incredibly rich history) from the Islamic state.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chuEBOqA2ow
To understand the gravity of the war, watch this video. It's easy to destroy countries, rebuilding them is a different beast.
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>implying secularization and modernization are good things
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>But when a country such as Russia supports a dictator in Syria, then it's a war of freedom or liberation
I have never ever heard this narrative before. What media outlet says this except maybe RT? All I've heard is that Russia is just working on its sphere of influence.
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Imagine being Caesar in that time and having to be all like "damn, Cleopatra, you fuckin' fine, all sexy with your tight body and horrific androgynous monster nose. I would totally have sex with you, both my public persona and the real me." when all he really wants to do is fuck another 16 year old in his palace. Like seriously imagine having to be Caesar and not only sit in that chair while Cleopatra flaunts her disgusting body in front of you, the favorable lighting barely concealing her stretchmarks and leathery greek skin, and just sit there, meeting after meeting, hour after hour, while she perfected that dance. Not only having to tolerate her monstrous fucking visage but her haughty attitude as everyone on set tells her she's STILL GOT IT and DAMN, GREEKS LOOKS LIKE *THAT*?? because they're not the ones who have to sit there and watch her mannish fucking gremlin face contort into types of grimaces you didn't even know existed before that day. You've been fucking nothing but a healthy diet of brunettes and senatorial family members and later alleged rape victims for your ENTIRE CAREER coming straight out of the boonies in Rome. You've never even seen anything this fucking disgusting before, and now you swear you can taste the sweat that's breaking out on her dimpled stomach as she sucks it in to writhe it suggestively at you, smugly assured that you are enjoying the opportunity to sit there and revel in her "statuesque (for that is what she calls herself)" beauty, the beauty she worked so hard for with personal slaves in the previous months. And then the diplomatic entourage calls for another meeting, and you know you could kill every single person in this room before the palace security could put you down, but you sit there and endure, because you're fucking Caesar. You're not going to lose your future political career over this. Just bear it. Hide your face and bear it.
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>>2894156
oh loordy he fucked for pleb rights n cheap grain
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>>2894156
I applaud the effort that went into this shitpost
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I'm not religious, but I've always had a curiosity about paganism, mostly I suppose for the aesthetics. However I've had a hard time finding text on rituals and the Wiccan sabbats that isn't biased and defensive about why wicca is the best religion ever. Can anyone point me towards any non biased text on wicca, witchcraft, and paganism?
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Are you asking for texts that give a historical overview of modern neopaganism, or ancient religions? Wicca is less than a century old, and most other "neopagan" religions date back to the 19th c. at most.
Problem you're going to run into with the historical faiths is that aside from very popular types of Greco-Roman paganism, little or nothing survives on what most pre-Christian European polytheistic religions even believed, let alone what they practiced. In any case, I recommend reading into the "Affair of the Poisons" for at least some information on what "witchcraft" looked like in the 18th century.
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>>2893850
I hate that Wiccan shit , its everywhere here in MA because of Salem.
its for dumb women OP
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>>2894426
Moving to Salem for a job soon. How bad are we talking here?
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DUDE, LET'S GO TO WAR INSTEAD OF FIXING OUR NATION! 2017-06-01 04:26:12 Post No.2893755
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DUDE, LET'S GO TO WAR INSTEAD OF FIXING OUR NATION!
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Were the Nazis the most pathologically perturbed morons that ever existed?
The inherent social tensions within Nazi Germany and its inability to sustain itself convinced Hitler and his cronies that the only way in which to 'save' themselves was to go into an all out war rather than actually attempting to fix their problems or shift out of ideological spooks.
This is how you know they were filled to the depths of depravity.
Rather than actually attempting to forge a new world for their nation and realise better goals, they would rather go to an all out destructive war that would end themselves.
This is fully exemplified in Goebbels 'Total War' speech. Proudly calling for the Germans to sacrifice themselves and to suffer more as they hail in satisfaction, essentially hailing and calling for their own demise and suffering.
All this reveals to me is the following; Nazi Germany was NOT a patriarchal society, rather, through the figure of Hitler, the German people removed patriarchal consent. In a paradoxical form of bribery, Hitler offered insatiable chaotic enjoyment under the guise of national unity. I believe that it couldn't function otherwise. Hitler existed a sort of 'empty well', in that, people poured into him the fruits of their desire to synchronise their world accordingly.
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I wonder who is behind this post?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtNRwTl1sRk
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>>2893779
DUDE I BOMBED YOUR CITIES, BROKE AGREEMENTS, KILLED THOUSANDS OF YOUR PEOPLE BUT NOW I WANT PEACE I PROMISE!
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wundr hoo behynd dis pust
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You cannot prove me wrong.
Checkmate, atheists.
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>>2893742
shut up, my mind just made you up, Anon.
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>>2893742
Doesn't matter. Even if I'm a figment of your imagination what makes you think I would give a shit about you?
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>>2893742
Read this https://www.google.cl/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.colorado.edu/studentgroups/shortfiction/RidiculousMan.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwjr_ZOBiJ3UAhVGQpAKHZzADDoQFghaMAk&usg=AFQjCNFxIfusOyGBwfDShM8AysGD93k_rQ&sig2=ouQljthnAG2cq4FtRAucDA
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FEED ME. HEARTS.
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25,000 per day for a month okay?
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>>2893370
Yo check this out, that thing is made from solid gold!
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>tfw to smart too write anything about my religion despite it being the 15th century.
Seriously, what the hell went wrong?
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The crusades.
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DA GERMANS KEEPIN' ME DOWN MAINE
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>>2893207
It's not uncommon for illiterate societies to denigrate writing and instead to laud the art of memory. the Druids shunned writing despite it being a fairly common technology among Celts because they believed that it weakened the memory to rely on written documents, presumably the Balts did likewise.
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Post historical figures who had one hell of a life. 2017-06-01 01:34:07 Post No.2893127
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Post historical figures who had one hell of a life.
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>Robert's birth-date is usually given as 1054, but may have been 1051. As a child he was betrothed to Margaret, the heiress of Maine, but she died before they could be wed, and Robert didn't marry until his late forties. In his youth he was reported to be courageous and skillful in military exercises. He was, however, also prone to laziness and weakness of character that discontented nobles and the King of France exploited to stir discord with his father William. He was unsatisfied with the share of power allotted to him and quarreled with his father and brothers fiercely. In 1063, his father made him the Count of Maine in view of his engagement to Margaret. The county was presumably run by his father until 1069 when the county revolted and reverted to Hugh V of Maine.
>In 1077, Robert instigated his first insurrection against his father as the result of a prank played by his younger brothers William Rufus and Henry, who had dumped a full chamber-pot over his head. Robert was enraged and, urged on by his companions, started a brawl with his brothers that was only interrupted by the intercession of their father. Feeling that his dignity was wounded, Robert was further angered when King William failed to punish his brothers. The next day Robert and his followers attempted to seize the castle of Rouen. The siege failed, but, when King William ordered their arrest, Robert and his companions took refuge with Hugh of Chateauneuf-en-Thymerais. They were forced to flee again when King William attacked their base at Rémalard.
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>Robert fled to Flanders to the court of his uncle Robert I, Count of Flanders, before plundering the county of the Vexin and causing such mayhem that his father King William allied himself with King Philip I of France to stop his rebellious son. Relations were not helped when King William discovered that his wife, Robert's mother Queen Matilda, was secretly sending her son Robert money. At a battle in January 1079, Robert unhorsed King William in combat and succeeded in wounding him, stopping his attack only when he recognized his father's voice. Humiliated, King William cursed his son. King William then raised the siege and returned to Rouen.
>At Easter 1080, father and son were reunited by the efforts of Queen Matilda, and a truce lasted until she died in 1083. Robert seems to have left court soon after the death of his mother, Queen Matilda, and spent several years travelling throughout France, Germany and Flanders. He visited Italy seeking the hand of the great heiress Matilda of Tuscany (b. 1046) but was unsuccessful. During this period as a wandering knight Robert sired several illegitimate children. His illegitimate son, Richard, seems to have spent much of his life at the royal court of his uncle William Rufus. This Richard was killed in a hunting accident in the New Forest in 1099 as was his uncle, King William Rufus, the next year. An illegitimate daughter was later married to Helias of Saint-Saens.
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>In 1087, the elder William died of wounds suffered from a riding accident during a siege of Mantes. At his death he reportedly wanted to disinherit his eldest son but was persuaded to divide the Norman dominions between his two eldest sons. To Robert he granted the Duchy of Normandy and to William Rufus he granted the Kingdom of England. The youngest son Henry was given money to buy land. Of the two elder sons Robert was considered to be much the weaker and was generally preferred by the nobles who held lands on both sides of the English Channel since they could more easily circumvent his authority. At the time of their father's death the two brothers made an agreement to be each other's heir. However this peace lasted less than a year when barons joined with Robert to displace Rufus in the Rebellion of 1088. It was not a success, in part because Robert never showed up to support the English rebels.
>In 1096, Robert formed an army and left for the Holy Land on the First Crusade. At the time of his departure he was reportedly so poor that he often had to stay in bed for lack of clothes. In order to raise money for the crusade he mortgaged his duchy to his brother William for the sum of 10,000 marks.
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>When William II died on 2 August 1100, Robert was on his return journey from the Crusade and was about to marry a wealthy young bride to raise funds to buy back his duchy. As a result, his brother Henry was able to seize the crown of England for himself. Upon his return, Robert – urged by Flambard and several Anglo-Norman barons – claimed the English crown on the basis of the short-lived agreement of 1087. In 1101, he led an invasion to oust his brother Henry; he landed at Portsmouth with his army, but his lack of popular support among the English (Anselm, the archbishop of Canterbury, was decidedly against him and the Charter of Liberties issued at Henry's coronation was well liked) as well as Robert's own mishandling of the invasion tactics enabled Henry to resist the invasion. Robert was forced by diplomacy to renounce his claim to the English throne in the Treaty of Alton. It is said that Robert was a brilliant field commander but a terrible general in the First Crusade. His government (or misgovernment) of Normandy as well as his failed invasion of England suggests that his military skills were little better than his political skills.
>In 1105, however, Robert's continual stirring of discord with his brother in England as well as civil disorder in Normandy itself prompted Henry to invade Normandy. Orderic reports on an incident at Easter 1105 when Robert was supposed to hear a sermon by the venerable Serlo, Bishop of Sées. Robert spent the night before sporting with harlots and jesters, and while he lay in bed sleeping off his drunkenness his unworthy friends stole his clothes. He awoke to find himself naked and had to remain in bed and missed the sermon.
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if Rommel was so great then why did he get his ass kicked by Montgomery?
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He wasn't great. He only gets so much attention because he wasn't involved in war crimes and because the Allies respected him.
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Rommel is the most overrated faggot in history
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>>2893111
Montgomery did have like five times the manpower and equipment,
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What is the most based human religion?
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Gnostic Atheism.
second after that Islam, because it teaches you not to be a cuck who must accept other's right to having different opinions than you.
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Anime.
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>>2893104
Mine. And I'll fucking kill you if you disagree.
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*blocks your kangdom*
https://www.google.com.br/amp/www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/ancient-egyptians-were-more-european-10530527.amp
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>we didn't find much sub-Saharan African ancestry.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2017/05/30/dna-from-ancient-egyptian-mummies-reveals-their-ancestry/?utm_term=.d8cceca6e8bc
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> So you are saying, friend...
> *Smooths mustache
> You mean...
> *Takes sip of milk
> I see so, we...
> *Checks email message from employer
> That my ancestors were Kings? Why do I care about that?
> *Refreshes stock quotes
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Did people in the past joke about wanting to kill themselves as much as we do today?
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>>2893034
No because back then they weren't such beta cuck males and actually did it unlike you weak leftist scum
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>>2893039
>Back then they weren't such beta cuck males
They would lose their virginity to a prostitute and die in other people's war, sounds pretty fucking beta if you ask me.
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Ancient roman mosaic. It roughly translates to "The happiest man".
>he wants meaning in life
You will probably be properly fed and entertained for the rest of your life. What more do you fucking want? How entitled are you?
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>>2893016
Why do you consider seeking something more than being fed and having entertainment to be entitlement?
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>>2893016
Sounds like a cattle logic. Just feed me, nothing else matters.
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>>2893016
And we have a Japanese cartoon imageboard to complain about the lack of meaning in our lives. What more indeed?
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So it is 1929 when the failed Georgian priest and con artist Iosif Dzhugashvili meets the failed artist and sex offender Adolf Schicklgruber in a bar in Vienna.
What do those guys talk about?
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How to best fuck up some Poles
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>>2892969
>1929
Hitler was already a pretty successful far-right politician by that point, well on his way to being Chancellor of Germany. Likewise, Stalin was already General Secretary of the Communist Party and his power was quite firmly cemented by that point.
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Hitler in 1929