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>Shit tier: people who blindly follow religion without ever truly questioning it
>Meh tier: people who are atheists because "lol religion is for dumb sheeple! I dont need imaginary friends!!!"
>God tier: religious people who are intelligent enough to question it when necessary, but also have a good comprehension of theological concepts and such

Agree? pic unrelated
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>>435477

What about I find God not interesting enough?
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>>435477
What about atheists who study theology?
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>>435477
No, because being religious is still believing things that probably aren't true or haven't been demonstrated to be true.

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What triggered the first ''humans'' so to speak, first idea, of language,music, writing , money, trading etc.?
By that i mean, the spark of consciousness.
Every one seems to have a different opinion on the topic.
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Adam and Eve were fully programmed adults.

They could talk, walk and marry on the first day.
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Fear of death. Came a moment in Humanity where tribes could get bigger and bigger and destroy the others.
So people had to unite and organize themselves to survive, mostly by seeking safety together.
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>>434877

CONSCIOUSNESS IN ITS PRESENT CONDITION ORIGINATED IN CIRCA SEVENTH CENTURY C E , MOST PROBABLY DUE TO AN ELECTROMAGNETIC PHENOMENON THAT EITHER ALTERED PERSONS NEUROPSYCHOLOGICALLY, OR MUTATED THEM GENETICALLY SO THAT THEIR OFFSPRING WERE BORN AS CONSCIOUS MUTANTS, OR BOTH.

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Did there have to be a cold war? Couldn't america and the soviet union have just kept their borders open and kept trading with each other? Who started the cold war?
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>>434874
both sides started the cold war
it was inevitable
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>>434874
>Couldn't america and the soviet union have just kept their borders open and kept trading with each other?
They weren't open in the first place?

The Soviets were allies of convenience, and vice versa. They were both growing increasingly worried over each others influence in world politics, and the Blocs they formed were measures of containment.

>Who started the Cold war
It officially started sometime during the Greek civil war, with the Soviets backing the Communist forces and the US packing the incumbent government, and got worse following the Berlin Blockade.
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>>434874
The Cold War was already happening during WWII, FDR and Stalin both realized that there was an underlying ideological conflict, to the point that Stalin often implied FDR was waiting to enter the European Conflict because he hoped the Soviets and Nazi's would wipe each other out.
Wasn't until the Long Telegram (when a US Gov't official over in Russia, I can't be assed to look up his name or position, wrote President Truman and made it clear that a conflict was com) was written that the was shifted to an openly "Cold" one.

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How fast does time flow?
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At the rate of sixty seconds a minute, sixty minutes an hour and twenty four hours in one day.
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>>434871
1 second per second
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>>434871

It doesn't.

We experience time as a series of singular moments, when in fact all those moments exist as a singular simultaneous occurrence.

If you think of time as just a 4th spatial dimension, and consider our position in the 3d dimension as relative to the 4th as our shadows (2nd dimension) are to us, you can see clearly that we are limited in the scope of our vision.

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Before pic related, what was considered the ultimate historical evil?
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>>433422
The Mongols.
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>>433422
Firstly, history doesn't consider evils.

Secondly fuckwits thinking about the past normally considered Napoleon to be the ultimate historical evil, promoted by English protestants and reactionary Catholics.
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In early modern Britain it was Papal regimes, especially Spain. Then it was Napoleon. Then during the Great War it was probably the evil Huns.

In France I would assume it was Germany, especially after 1870.

And then of course Bolshevism was seen as an immediate threat to western civilization, especially after 1918 but also during the Second Internationale by many people.

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Real life Disney villains thread. I'll start.

Cardinal Richelieu
>Made himself so essential to Louis XIII (he was a figurehead, holding near-supreme power controlled by his mother.) that when the Queen Mother tried to have Richelieu fired since he overstepped his position, the king had her exiled.
>Bought a shit ton of ships from the Dutch and besieged and blockaded the Huguenot port city of La Rochelle, with a population of about 25 thousand soldiers and civilians. He decided to bomb the shit out of the city, and after 14 months of artillery strikes, 5 thousand people remained in the entire city.
>When Richelieu started beating the shit out of his fellow Catholics, the Hapsburgs in the 30 years war, the Pope showed up to yell at him. Richelieu almost got excommunicated, but he talked the Pope out of it and went on kicking Holy Roman ass.

Evil quote: "If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men,
I would find something in them to have him hanged."

What've you got, /his/?
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Philip II, easily.
His face, the events in the British Isles and the Netherlands, his demeanor, he comes off as a stereotypical 'evil' guy, even though he wasn't particularly immoral otherwise.
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>>432451
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Charles XII was a bit villainous, even though he fought the Great Northern War in defense. He drank nothing, felt no pain, fucked no women, and generally did nothing but conquer the shit out of the Baltic area.

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All of our (Abrahamic) religious texts come via the direct communication, or divine inspiration, from God to a very narrow selection of prophets. Why doesn't God communicate more broadly?

If we're to believe these scriptures, we must follow very specific requirements or suffer God's punishment.

These requirements are often contradictory. The only reason we have for believing them is faith, but we're warned against following 'false prophets.' The implication is that we should trust one second-hand message but not trust other second-hand messages.

God presumably would have the ability to communicate unambiguously with all (or many) of us to make his wishes clear. He seems to have told just a few people what he wanted and he seems to have told different variations of what he wanted to representatives in different parts of the world.

When I think of this from God's supposed point of view, it doesn't add up. When I think of it from the patriarchal need to regulate the actions of society, however, it makes perfect sense: do this, don't do that, don't worship any other gods and, most importantly, God told me to tell you.
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The fact that people made him up and nowadays people ask for proof whereas back then they did not.

That is literally it.
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>>431815
>What could explain God's silence?
God is not silent; he's just saying things that most people are in no mood to hear.

God is a /pol/ poster.
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>still no hard evidenced miracles

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>TFW you will never be a medieval European monarch

ITT: 21st century plebeian feels
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>>431689
>you will never fight for the fatherland in WW 1
>you will never watch as your comrades get mowed down by allied machine gun fire
>you will never watch your friend get his brains blown off in a trench in Belgium, and have to clean bits of his brain off your coat
>you will never get both of your legs blown off by a landmine and be bound to a wheelchair for as long as you live
life is suffering
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>>431689
>You will never be the only surviving monk of a monastery during the black death
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>Tfw you will never be a minor noble and spend your days carousing around you land
>Tfw you will never get an arranged marraige w/ qt3.14 foreign noblewoman and have her raise your children
>Tfw you will never compete in a tourney or answer your lords call to war

New art history thread
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Guess I shoulda opened with an edgy opinion about modernism
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POST ART YOU FAGGOTS
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Did any ancienct cilivizations except Hellenistic and Roman ones build realistic sculptures? What are examples? If they didn't, why?
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>If they didn't, why?

Because style
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>>431323
Africans (Yoruba), Chinese too I guess
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>>431323
Only the Romans built realistic sculptures, Greek sculptures were always idealized images that cleared any imperfection of the person depicted. Greek artisans were actually freaked out that the Romans wanted an exact rendering.

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Dumping what I have.
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"thread for maps, cartography, GIS, human geography, historical geography, cultural geography, regional geography, critical geography, pomo geography, if it involves space and place and maps it's all fair game" t. other guy
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May this thread never die
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People nowadays seem to have this feeling that humor and comedy never existed before the modern era. Even thinking back to the relatively recent past (like the 1800s), lots of people seem to think nobody ever laughed. This is especially true of Medieval times, or Ancient Greece and Rome. It's like everyone was just pissed off, apathetic, or sad 24/7

So, to help illustrate this to not be the case, I thought we could have a thread dedicated to the things that made ancient people kek. It really brings a smile to my face to see these people in a new light

>After invading southern Greece and receiving the submission of other key city-states, Philip II of Macedon sent a message to Sparta: "If I invade Laconia you will be destroyed, never to rise again." The Spartan ephors replied with a single word: "If" (αἴkα).[28] Subsequently neither Philip II nor his son Alexander the Great attempted to capture the city.
>When an Athenian accused Spartans of being ignorant, the Spartan Pleistoanax agreed: "What you say is true. We alone of all the Greeks have learned none of your evil ways."[11]
>Following the disastrous sea battle of Cyzicus, the admiral Mindaros' first mate dispatched a succinct distress signal to Sparta. The message was intercepted by the Athenians and was recorded by Xenophon in his Hellenica: "Ships gone; Mindarus dead; the men starving; at our wits' end what to do".[22][23]
>After the Greeks ended the threat of the second Persian invasion with their victory at Plataea, the Spartan commander Pausanias ordered that a sumptuous banquet the Persians had prepared be served to him and his officers. "The Persians must be greedy," he remarked, "when, having all this, yet they come to take our barleycakes."[19]
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Some provincial man has come to Rome, and walking on the streets was drawing everyone's attention, being a real double of the emperor Augustus. The emperor, having brought him to the palace, looks at him and then asks:
-Tell me, young man, did your mother come to Rome anytime?
The reply was:
-She never has. But my father frequently was here.
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A little Medieval humor next
>A Friar, who was but moderately considerate, was preaching to the people at Tivoli, and thundering against adultery, which he depicted in colours of the deepest dye. “It is such a horrible sin,” said he, “that I had rather undo ten virgins than one married woman!” Many, among the congregation, would have shared his preference.

>The father of a friend of ours had an intimacy with the wife of a downright fool, who, besides, had the advantage of stuttering. One night he went to her house, believing the husband to be away, knocked on the door, and claimed admittance, imitating the cuckold’s voice. The blockhead, who was at home, had no sooner heard him, than he called to his wife, “Giovanna, open the door, Giovanna, let him in; for it does seems to be me.”
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More Medieval jokes. I think I'll post some more ancient Roman jokes next. I would try ancient Chinese humor too but I'm not sure if they laugh

>A man who had given his wife a valuable dress, complained that he never exercised his marital rights without it costing him more than a golden ducat each time. “It is your fault,” answered the wife, “why do you not, by frequent repetition, bring down the cost to one farthing?”

>A Florentine I was acquainted with was under the necessity of buying a horse in Rome, and bargained with the dealer, who asked him twenty-five gold ducats, too high a price; he offered to pay fifteen ducats cash, and to owe the rest; to which the dealer agreed. On the following day, when asked for the balance, the buyer refused, saying, “We must keep our agreement: it was settled between us that I was to be your debtor; I should be so no longer if I were to pay you.”

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What factors contributed to the fall of the Roman Empire?
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>Rise of the Sassanians as a comparable military power
>Bloated bureaucracy needed to sustain bloated bureaucracy of military and tax collecting, which were necessary
>Corruption ate away at surpluses, causing taxes to have to be raised even more
>On top of all of this, Germannia was developing while Rome was stagnating
>Huns arriving causes massive migrations initially seeking Roman territory for safety (reasoning that only Rome could stop the Huns)
>Romans antagonize barbarians inside borders
>Romans now have angry barbarians inside their borders
>Have to get the army away from borders to deal with it
>This causes further penetrations into Imperial territory

Also:
>Motherfuckers killed Aetius
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What were the factors for it lasting so long?
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>>425382
the goths and others adopted their military technology

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>Christianity caused the Dark Age
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It was caused the Dark Age because that is when black people became kings of everywhere in Europe. We lost a lot of information on it because whites didn't want us to know.
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>>412871
>close down greek philosophical schools
>burn libraries
>overwrite ancient science manuscripts with prayers[1]

d-din do nuffin....

1. https://www.sciencenews.org/article/prayer-archimedes
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>>412892
>we had calculus back than

Fuck Christianity.

I'm looking into early Greek philosophy and it's tragic how fucked up Christianity got us. Did you know Heliocentrialism was already a thing? Like it was a really early concept. The reason we got stuck with Geo-centralism is because the Christians couldn't stop sucking Aristotle's dick.

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