"thread for maps, cartography, GIS, human geography, historical

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May this thread never die

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>>429486
That's plague

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Posting 4 images at once like kratuchan would be a nice change for /his/
There are short timers anyway, might as well keep it in one post

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>29 images, 29 posts, 3 posters

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Alri last

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Accepting requests though

>>429484
>that Spain at the beginning

>>429484
Oklahoma was not a Confederate state, it was unorganized with some Indian tribes siding with the north and some with the south

>>429554
Nice, this is unexpected one.

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Gibs me dem maps of Northern Europe

Pomo geography has to be some of the biggest horseshit I've been exposed to in academia.

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best middle east coming through

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Central Powers Victory

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>>429955
I never got why Austria lost clay in kaiserreich

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>>429961
>memezanthium
>RSI morocco
>Irish gains in britain
So much alternate-history faggotry

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Imagine if it became a loose confederation of city states

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>>429982
Why did they fall into irrelevancy?

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>>429973
>Celtic countries and their historic territory aren't the rightful clay of the Irish republic.

>>429991
>>429994
>>430009
This stuff is fanfiction tier

This thread is great.

>>429961
>Western Isles a part of Ireland

Fuck that.

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Genoese map of china

I've read some research about how views of a city/urban environment are shaped by individual "sense of place" based on race, gender and class background, but even through the increasingly typical postmodern or critical scholarship there doesn't seem to be much that's really original or thought-provoking contributed on this topic. Has anyone here read or heard any really innovative or original arguments on how class, race, gender background etc. affect geographic "sense of place" of a city?

>>429482
I love this picture. I love colonialism.

>>429486
How did the based Slavs avoid the plague like the plague?

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>>430101
I have no idea of what that means tbqhwy, what's the "sense of place" of a city?

>>430123
By BUILDING WALL

>>430135

How it's perceived. Most urban geography research talks pretty heavily about how differently a city can be perceived based on the perceiver's class background or gender, ethnic, racial, national identity, so on, etc

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German colony in asia

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>you'll never live in kaiser willy land

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Onto Africa

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That's it

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>>430297
>Healthy colonizable Africa, where European race may be expected to become in time the prevailing type, where essentially European states may be formed.

>>430297
Did white people ever settle in central Madagascar?

>>430342
>Carthage is closer to Rome than Tarentum and Cisalpine Gaul
Well that explains a lot.

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Scot colony that disappeared from the map

>>430066
>Isla de Niphon
that's pretty interesting, isn't Japan in modern day spanish something liek japan as well?

>>430342
>London-Rome takes you almost a month of travel
>Now you can do it in half a day
Do you happen to have any more of these travel-maps? I remember having one for Austria and Vienna.

>>430761
Google says it's Japón in spanish
In italian Giappone
In japanese it's Nippon. Basically only the genoese got it right

>>430776
Nope, don't have any more

>>429499
Poland is slowly migrating towards France.

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>>430776
Although this site is what you could be looking for http://orbis.stanford.edu/

Anyone have the website with all of those world maps at different points in time?

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>>430965
http://geacron.com/home-en/?&sid=GeaCron656566

>>430177
So for black transsexuals, Oxford Street goes North-South?

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Rate my autism

>>431063
>grossslavium

>>429958
>Venice
>Seat of the Grandmaster of the Teutonic Order
Wat I though they were just knights that came home from the holy land and wanted to keep killing infidels in the Baltics.

>>431167
Gross/Germanium

>>429961
Absolutelydisgusting.jpg

>>431049
what's this map about

>>429963
Mainly because the multinational empire was already on the verge of collapse IRL and died alongside Franz Joseph.

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anybody know any books that have this of famous battles?

>>431304
>Not wanting to unite the german peoples under one flag

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>>431167
Rate mine I'm working on

>>431130

Completely missing the point on purpose are we? Delightful.

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>mfw can't post my 100+ MB maps on here
>mfw can't even post most maps because they're all 10MB or bigger

Hirohito, if you're reading this: please, I need a higher file size limit.

>>430123
Nobody really knows, and it doesn't really matter. People don't realize that black death didn't just go way 1353; it recurred several times during the later century in smaller scale, reaching every single place in Europe pretty much. That's why population growth is almost 0 until 1400s even though the overpopulation that cursed europe in High Middle Ages was gone and agriculture was more productive than ever.

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>>433815
One of the reasons Poland was mostly spared by the plague is the fact it was not as populated as other parts of Europe.

>pic not related

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>>433826

>>430342
Alps can be crossed in just 28 days? That's weird, because Gibbons was all the rage about Severus marching to Rome from Vienna in 56 or so days.

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>>433830

>>429475

I'm a history teacher in middle school. Do you guys know any good online tools for creating maps, dynamic maps, and the like?

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>>433833

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>>433838

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>>433839

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>>433840

>>429982
>>430008
In the early 15th century a typical cog carried 100 tons and would make frequent stops at ports along the way, by the 16th century the Spanish were building 2000 ton Galleons for voyages across the pacific. There was no longer a need for merchants to establish good relations with dozens of ports along a journey.

Does anybody have a good map of ancient Greece? I wanna read Thucydides but I ain't got the maps.

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I've always really liked this, the Tabula Rogeriana, commissioned by Roger II of sicily drawn by Almoravid cartographer, Muhammad al-Idrisi.

The orientation is South-Top North-Bottom, and you can see Sicily in row IV, column II.
It was considered the most accurate map of the world for long period, since Europeans didn't manage to improve on Arabic cartography for about three centuries - it showed the world as a sphere, and calculated it's circumference to within 10% accuracy.

>>431167
8/10 for using typical paradox colors

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>>433840
>>433844
>slovenefag back with the carinthia spam
REEEEEE

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>>433858
>Carinthia
That's Carantania. But I've got a lot of maps of the Duchy of Carinthia, too.

My heart beats for Carniola, though.

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>>433856
Upside down version

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>>433851
Posted some here and onwards
>>429613

>>430340
another enlightened race beat them to it

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malagasy_people

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Too big to post
https://a.pomf.cat/pwxkrm.jpg

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>>433879
Too big to post:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9d/Special-Karte_des_Herzogthums_Krain_1843.jpg
Alternatively, here's a link where you can zoom in and move around the map:
https://tools.wmflabs.org/zoomviewer/index.php?f=Special-Karte%20des%20Herzogthums%20Krain%201843.jpg

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>>433911
Guess I'll post some stuff

Bretty accurate naval map https://a.pomf.cat/grfumg.jpg

Fra Mauro map http://www.bl.uk/magnificentmaps/map2.html
Old map of Russia https://a.pomf.cat/sylzos.jpg
Wrong map of new world https://a.pomf.cat/rccufr.jpg
17 megas of 1707 west africa https://a.pomf.cat/nrvgtz.jpg

China gets cucked https://a.pomf.cat/ukldgr.jpg
India gets cucked https://a.pomf.cat/vkjake.jpg
WW1 peace https://a.pomf.cat/jnhaqv.jpg

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>>434007
Should have said Germany gets cucked
Lost memeing occasion

What the fuck were you thinking: the map https://a.pomf.cat/nlumhq.jpg
A more "recent" Russia https://a.pomf.cat/ibivdi.jpg

>>429484
Wait, what happened with that brief Norwegian presence in Northern Canada?

>>429490
The light going out, so sad.

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Forgot to post this abomination

>>436068
Nevermind, I got confused

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Who here /geography/ major?
What schools do you go to? I'm at Penn State

>>429482
>phillipines
1898
never forget
;_;

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>>429994
>Greek Europe
>that yellow variant of Albania's shitty double-headed eagle
At least use this one instead.

>>436169

Do environmental determinism and geopolitics deserve their negative academic reputation in your opinion?

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r8 my fanfiction

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>>439814
Epic germania brotha!

>>439937
It was actually supposed to be tolerant constitutional monarchy formed in 1848, with Habsburg figurehead on the throne. Here it's more like EBIN GROSSBRITTANIENUNION BRO :DDDD

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rate my empire

>>429479
Actual question: How can one country come from such a relatively weak place and come to control so much land in multiple continents, yet later fall to such a decline?

>>440022
good managment/war efforts/economics/diplomacy

>>440022
>>440035
also anatolia is not a "weak" place
theres a reason why so many empires have been centered there

>>440041
I know Anatolia isn't weak, I'm referring to the fact it started in a very small (albeit prosperous) part of Anatolia.

>>440054
well the reffer to my previous post >>440035
diplomacy probably played the biggest part early on
but then again i could be talking out of my ass

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>>440005
eh/10

>>440081
Nah I believe it. Thanks

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>>439585
Basically, ED is a bankrupt theory for reasons other than "muh racism", namely its unscientific approach to applying evolutionary concepts to cultures and societies. Knowing 4chan's penchant for contrarianism and being edgy fucktards, I am convinced that the only reason these morons flock to it is because at one point in time it was used to justify scientific racism. Any other context it would be put into the trash because its such a shitty way of analyzing human geography; even obnoxious "feminist discourses" have more solid footing than ED.

Not to sound like I am talking down to you, or anyone else, but the more time you spend actually learning about different theories and discourses the less likely you are to jump to reactionary conclusions. Believe me, I have been there sperging about "cultural marxism", until I figured a way to separate the baggage from the useful analytical tool it provides. Separate the analytical method from the baggage and you can talk about anything. Unfortunately, 4chan is incapable of anything BUT talking about the baggage, hence why ED is shunned in most circles.

>>429475
>>429479
If there's one thing I hate about maps it's when people put historical countries surrounded by modern nations.

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>>440084
well im only a 120 turns in
and i aint done yet

pic related when im planning to stop
but it all depends on what wars i get dragged into wich

but im kinda hesitant to declare war on the franks since they are allied with duchy of providence
meaning im going to be figthing the two strongest empires (aside from my self hue) along with like 5 allies split between them and all i got is a defensive ally

my plan is basically to blitz everything from lombardy to septimania while bottlenecking the franks at aquitaine
red arrows self explantory
red lines is where i am planning on holding the enemy while i get my new provinces under wraps

black line is basically my navy raiding the shit out of the franks during all of this
mabey capture some settlments remove all the buildings in it and letting them recapture it giving making them lose money and a shitload of public order

did i just go full autism?

>>440196
>duchy of providence

kek

Also capture Rome first of all senpai.

>>440184
Yeah, that's completely retarded and only encourages people to see history with a modern idea of europe
If you have to give indications of the area just include cities or use borders nearer to that period

>>440196
>duchy of providence

>>440208
Oh lol sorry i live close to providence so it kinda slipped into my mind

>Also capture Rome
well they are going to get btfo if they join their allies (the franks) other wise imma let them be
i make like 1300 gold from trading with them and thats as much as i would make from holding one city so
my biggest concern is blitzing the core provinces from provence

i think i migth steam roll spoleto first but then again they are making me alot of money through trade but ofc i would make more by holding that land

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>>440244
>No italians in Fiume

>>440262
Is that orange in Iberia Catalonia?
Because if so I agree with you

>>440363
It is.

>>429510
I like how the republicans start out just in the north, but end up just in the south

>>429991
>United commonwealth of the middle east
>Naming your country after it's direction from europe

>>430297
>Extremely unhealthy africa
>Just all the major populated areas and parts with a sufficiently developed culture between the tropics

>>440497
>Let me go live between the zongo and the gimbo tribes, that sure must be a lovely place

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Battle of Neville's Cross

Longbowmen forced the Scots to leave their advantageous position and attack.

>>431130
Typical retards not understanding the fucking question. As a middle class suburbanite, your perception of the inner city minority culture is different from the way that group perceives themselves. So in turn, one creates a narrative of that space based on which side they are on. I didn't pass a single fucking value statement (hurr muh multiculturalism, whitey bad), just literally stated that different groups perceive themselves and space differently than outsiders do. Basic fucking shit, stop reading into actual academic concepts whatever /pol/ contrarian narrative you want to believe.

>>432480
No one gives a shit about actual geography or has any interest in learning it, just like no one on this board actually has any interest in history besides making value statements and memes. If /his/ is /pol/ with dates, /geo/ is /pol/ with maps. Unless its the geography of some shit European empire or WW2 maps, human geography, even the most basic, objective discourses are lumped in with >muh SJWs because they don't fit the redpill narrative. Can't even make a basic assertion that people and culture create territoriality without a sperg shouting you down with muh cultural marxism.

>>432486
laughed so fucking hard at Russia

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>>440262
>no Slovakia

>>440707
>this triggered about the lack of african """""nations""""" in this thread

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>>430297
Nice environmental determinism
You do realize that Australia is even more "uninhabitable" than central Africa and yet European colonists settled there just fine? Its called adaptation, something you social Darwinists seem to have a hard time appreciating for a discourse that revolves around judging cultures in relation to a narrow definition of societies. Enjoy your 200 year old discredited simplistic ideology because its edgy and fulfills your contrarian worldview.

>>440734
You do realize that map is old, Australia is 95% empty to this day, and you're sperging about zones filled with aggressive tribes being defined as bad to settle as a white person?

>>440747
Do you have a hard time disconnecting personal opinions with actual geography? You are getting triggered implying implications and I am literally just pointing out how discourses work.


The map shows areas by suitability for colonization. It does not exactly go into why the regions are unhealthy, but like you said, hostile tribes could have something to do with it, or the underlying tropical climate being harmful to European immune systems. Theres a lot of geography being left out because ED doesn't spend the time putting everything together, only making value statements based on whatever socio-political narrative is in vogue. It is a very simplistic, non empirical opinion laden approach, and doesn't tell the reader much about the region other than the white man don't belong in central Africa because niggers.

Bottom line, for anyone still interested in learning how academic discourses work, there isn't one single worldview that is correct and spending all your energy getting triggered because facts go against your opinions isn't contributing anything. You learn more questioning your own values than arguing against others.

Yes.

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>>440799
Or it's just a map telling where to expect colonization and where not to?

>>430277
Liberia was a colony, too, was it not?

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>>440826
You do have a point. I was approaching it from a critical perspective, taking into account all the historical, social and cultural implications based on when and who made the map. If you discount all the context, then yes, it is just a map telling where to expect colonization. Not an incorrect assertion, but if we were arguing about the implications of colonization, you wouldn't be able to get away with just taking the map at face value. Context is very important, when you want it.

>tfw lied to as a kid about digging to China
>furthest I will get is off the coast of Australia.
Sometimes you just wish the Earth was flat

>>440838
I think burgers discarded it at some point

>>440799

The entire problem with Geography these days is that it has conflated itself with more abstract fields like Literature and Philosophy and mistakes itself for a field in which discourse analysis through a postmodern lens is not the most awkward theoretical fit possible.

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Paleogeography is fucking awesome.
All of human existence up until now the continents have been relatively static for millions of years. We are just a blip in the geologic time scale.

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>>440844
Flipping maps makes you notice a lot of things

>>440858
>saharan desert
Isn't it relatively new?

>>440844

>critical perspective
>Context is very important, when you want it

The very issue with a "critical perspective" is lack of context, and its refusal to want one

>>440851
You do realize that geography was split between physical, human and environmental geographies up until very recently?

While the science and methods of geography are very well established, the notion of combining the human with the physical is relatively new.

Human geography was moving in the same vein as sociology, while physical was split between environmental and geomorphology. GIS took a massive shit on both of their desks, as it took the geography out of their hands and in the hands of specialists, leaving the geologists and environmentalists to do all the research.

The human geographers were themselves at war with one another, some siding with critical theory (muh cultural marxism!) with others taking a more balanced approach. When you put all these discourses together that have not seen eye to eye basically ever, things get weird, hence post modernism.

Modern geography takes bits and pieces from a lot of places and explicitly forbids the placement of one discourse or narrative as a panacea.

The important takeaway from an academic perspective is although there are a lot of discourses, some more batshit than others - it is important to keep an open mind and not get sucked into one narrow worldview. This kinda defeats the anti intellectual's narrative that academia forces you to conform to an idea. For example, I think ED could be useful for holistic studies of cultures, if only it could be separated from its racial baggage.


GIS uber Alles.

>>440891
Thats why academics only use critical theory in specific applications and try to avoid using it as a catch all. There are times when you want to understand the context of what you are studying more than the analysis of how a problem can be framed. Critical theory gets a bad rep because it is connected to the panacea "cultural marxism" when it is just trying to study how people, economic and social ideologies and discourses interact and are realized in modern societal problems.
It took me a while to get over this association, but I was able to narrow down what my concerns were.

My gripe with feminist geography is that is superimposes modern, western sex/gender values on nonwestern cultures, in the fight against the mythical "patriarchy". It presupposes the existence of something (gender conflict) while imposing modern values on the actual analysis. So while the Ooga Booga tribe might be sexist, you cannot say the sexism is the same as Western or if the women of the Ooga Booga have a term for it like we do.

Now, a true critical geographer in the postmodern sense would challenge the use of certain terminology, but at that point it is now a philosophical question that tainted a solid geographical answer. The key is to balance the philosophical BS with actual geography.

>>440906
>Modern geography takes bits and pieces from a lot of places and explicitly forbids the placement of one discourse or narrative as a panacea.

Really because I could swear this is what they've been trying to do with post-structuralism lately

>>440953

Applying the Gramscian concept of Hegemony to the traditional practices of foreign cultures is probably one of the stupidest things present day Cultural Geography literature does.

>>440886
The Sahara cycles between desert and temperate every few million/thousand years. There are parts that have been consistently desert, but the Sahara as a whole is constantly evolving...slowly. This is in contrast to the Atacama desert, which due to its specific geomorphology has remained dry...basically since the Andes first rose up.

An interesting example of a paleodesert is in the Sand Hills region of Nebraska. A few million years ago this region used to be sand dunes, until cyclical climate changes brought it back to temperate. Who the heck knows what climate change will do this time around.

>>440978
Care to explain?
Cause hegemony is a pretty reasonable way of understanding how empires function, if we are talking about colonial geography like /his/ loves.

If you are talking about applying hegemonic concepts to foriegn cultures, then I can agree with you on that. Take far eastern culture for instance; one can say from a linguistic standpoint that Asian culture is a function of Chinese hegemony. The nuance is lost completely as everything is framed as a function of Chinese cultural imperialism. Culture can evolve independently of the hegemonic forces even if it borrows some qualities. Is this what you are getting at?

>>429475
Didn't the HRE contain Spain at one point as well?

>>441046
No. Charles V of Spain was the emperor but officially Spain wasn't part of the HRE.

>>441046
Nah, they were just both under the same king