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Can anyone provide an example of a society where the social order was not established through violence? It seems to me that they are all established by violent struggle.
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>America is formed
>people get upset that they're getting fucked over by an elite class (heyyyyy Marx :-])
>government crushes them
>"the rich people dindu nuffin"
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probably some place like Switzerland or some Scandinavian countries.
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>>989435
Confirmed to know nothing about either of these places
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Agnosticism: Let's nip this in the bud 2016-04-15 15:27:32 Post No.987474
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Agnosticism: Let's nip this in the bud
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Agnosticism is:
The stance that the truth values (whether they are true or false) of the claims regarding the existence of a deity or deities cannnot be known. "I don't think anyone will ever know for sure whether God exists."
or:
The stance that the truth values of claims regarding the existence of a deity or deities are presently unknown. "I don't think anyone knows for sure right now, but in the future we might."
or:
The stance of not claiming to know the truth values of claims regarding a deity or deities. "I don't claim that God definitely exists or that God definitely doesn't exist."
or:
The stance of uncertainty on whether to believe or disbelieve in a deity or deities. "I don't know whether to believe or disbelieve." and/or "I think God existing is equally as likely as God not existing."
Which do you think is the most correct definition? In that case, what do you think the others should be called? (I personally go by number three.)
Strawpoll for good measure:
http://strawpoll.me/7378435
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>>987474
all of the above
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>>987476
If I flipped a coin, and I didn't show you the result, do you honestly think that claiming no one will ever know is the same thing as claiming you don't know?
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>>987483
in some situations yes
it depends how you look at things and the context.
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You are at a bar and this smug motherfucker is mocking your favorite empire. Wat do, /his/?
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>>993227
We beat OP to death together.
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I put on my two headed eagle and slap his ass
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>>993227
I perform an honour killing on him.
So I recently had the thought that the early emergence of feudalism and monarchies might resemble modern day street gangs and other organized crime. A bunch of teenage boys with too much time on their hands go around starting trouble, and people start paying them to leave them alone. There's your warrior and peasant classes, right? What we now call "protection rackets" looks a lot like feudalism to me. Is this far off? (Don't just say "no, retard," at least say why it's retarded.")
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>>992151
God knows I hate foreigners.
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>>992151
I remember when I was watching the Sopranos, at many times it felt like a show about feudal politics
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People dont give knights enough credit these days.
While of course, giving someone military power over others will sometimes create a bit of a bully, they were no protection racketeers, and they certainly werent the evil people like to distort them as today.
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Did Sun Tzu actually exist?
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If fighting is sure to result in victory then you must fight! Sun Tzu said that, and I'd say he knows a little more about fighting then you do, pal, because he invented it! And then he perfected it, so that no living person could best him in the ring of honor!
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>>990468
The better question is, did Europeans actually exist?
They actually are just Asians who have become paler because of less sun and indoor work.
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>>990477
uuuh.... we?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Q8i0CYs-CM
this is orthodox chrestian music i listen to
but listen! it sounds EASTERN, arabic, muslim even
so who ripped off who?
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Considering where the Holy Roman Empire was based, they probably both come from the same Pagan source.
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Muslims probably ripped them off, desu, like they did most other things.
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Ancient Egypt? the Renaissance? when did your soul was born, anon?
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fuck, not this shit again
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That's pretty stupid.
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What ended the cold war?
Was it the military-industrial complex of reagan and bush, or was it gorbachev's policies?
I guess both helped, but what was more fatal?
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>What ended the cold war?
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>>990093
Oh man, someone beat me to it.
You can totally trace the cracking of the Iron Curtain to John Paul's visit to Poland.
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I would say it was khrushevite revisionism and the sino-soviet split that truly hamstrung the socialist camp.
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ITT: you choose two lost books from antiquity to resurface 2016-04-16 01:55:49 Post No.989958
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ITT: you choose two lost books from antiquity to resurface
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If he could choose only two books from antiquity to survive the cataclism (namely, Abrahamic barbarity), Proclus, the Neoplatonic Philosopher and last head of the Platonic Academy in Athens, had no doubts: he would choose the Timaeus by Plato and the Chaldean Oracles. Unfortunately, the Oracles were "lost", together with a huge number of books by the Neoplatonists themselves.
Seeing as we're living in similar times, when once again the gloomy shadow of Abrahamic darkness is seen crawling from its desert homelands, I find that this is a relevant topic.
I for one would like to see the extant Chaldean Oracles myself and as for the second choice I am divided between the lost commentary by Proclus and the Harmony of Orpheus, Pythagoras and Plato with the Chaldean Oracles by Syrianus
Honorable mention:
Abaris the Hyperborean's prose theogony and Pentemychos by Pherecydes of Syros.
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This is easy, I'd pick the Thebaid and the Diliad.
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Why not just make an anti-Islam thread instead of vaguely talking about Abrahamic religions as if they're all the same? You're clearly talking about Islam, the one Abrahamic religion that's really expanding.
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De philosophia, by Marcus Terentius Varro
Ab Urbe Condita Libri, by Titus Livius
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How many historical figures were struck with illnesses yet managed to be great
>i often read that Julius Caesar was struck with a certain falling sickness which is often thought to be epilepsy
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Napoleon wasn't popular with the ladies, especially when he was younger. He was a qt though, women are pleb.
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>>988635
lol prolly why he was considered smol
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>>988625
Many of the great philosophers seem like they were on the autism spectrum.
Kant was clearly the assburger king.
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Can a bad or malicious person be considered wise?
Is wisdom linked to good morals?
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>>987675
You're asking that because of Plato's Republic aren't you? That nigga is wrong, senpai.
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>>987691
It's an argument I had with someone where they say that wisdom it's a trait of a good person but I believe there has been people who are considered wise yet acted in a "bad" way.
Like leaders and what not.
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>>987818
Leaders are not necessarily considered wise.
Wisdom is also not strictly defined
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France losing Indochina wasn't really all that much of a failure 2016-04-15 10:45:51 Post No.986875
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France losing Indochina wasn't really all that much of a failure
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>Still recovering from being absolutely obliterated in WWII
>Indochina literally on the opposite side of the world
>Enemy used fairly unconventional warfare
>Even America got its ass handed to it
>"France losing Indochina was pathetic! France sucks!"
Look at the circumstances, anon
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Okay, Pierre. Hope you feel better now.
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>>986883
Literally an American with no French heritage
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>>986883
A French doesn't punctuate like that! But like that !
t. French
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Neoplatonist fags unite! 2016-04-16 15:15:33 Post No.992078
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How do we turn Neoplatonism into a popular contemporary religion?
Neoplatonism was somewhat of a semi-religion but the writings of Plotinus and Proclus take years to master and somewhat impenetrable to the common man.
Some suggestions:
1) Create somewhat of a church structure and hierarchy
2) Make a more user-friendly, exoteric version, while leaving the complicated stuff to philosophers and theologians
3) Anthropomorphize some more; the one, being, intellect, soul, it's all too abstract. Give them names like Zeus, Apollo, Diana, etc.
4) Appropriate Renaissance architecture and iconography such as pic related to make it more appealing to ex-Christians and Westerners in general
5) Create a reformed liturgy based on Iamblichus On the Mysteries with elements from Catholic and Orthodox liturgies
6) Incorporate some Renaissance and Modern occult stuff like Thelema
7) Compose a prayer book contaning classic poems.
8) Assemble a Neoplatonist "bible" with Hesiod and Homer as the Old Testament
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The Catholic Church already has over a billion members.
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>>992085
Lol. But they won't admit it though, that half their stuff is Pagan.
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>>992088
Not my point. My point was that all that is good in Neo-Platonism has been preserved in the Church. I'm sorry you can't recognize the universality of Reason and instead only see paganism when it's acknowledged that wise men can live outside of the Church.
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So /his/ I've always had problems with the way Hinduism spread throughout SEAsia. How come there is hardly any literature or work done on the pre-Hindu beliefs that were prevalent before Hinduism spread throughout SEAsia? Why did the native peoples adopt Hinduism in the first place? Did Hinduism in SEAsia have any influences from the Pre Hindu belief systems? Basically why do we know so little about this era in History?
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>>988393
Hindus were basically Indo-Europeans, the same ones who invaded Europe. Powerful people who dominated and wiped out the native cultures. Although in India the natives got pushed south and maintained an identity.
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>>988443
Thank you /pol/.
But how come we know so little about what was there before hand?
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>>988393
>pre-Hindu beliefs
Let me draw a comparison with the unfortunate history of pre-Islamic Arabic polytheism.
We know a few things, like the names of the goddesses, that even the Qur'an references. However, there's a problem:
WE DO NOT HAVE A GODSDAMNED MYTHOLOGY
NO CREATION MYTH
NO THEOGONY
NO END TIMES
NOT A SINGLE STORY
Sometimes you have to consider that the information you're looking for has been lost.
Hinduism in SEA came in 200 BCE, so it's kind of late for any suriving oral tradition to inform us. We're talking over two Millennia for crying out loud.
Was there even literacy back in the day, for you to find any primary written sources?
Were there artisans to make icons?
What is the most stupid thing we have done in human history?
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Exist.
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women's rights