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Is God actively malicious, or does he just not give a shit?
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God did not account for the German's lack of humour
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>>1766126
God allows man to choose. Man has the knowledge of good and evil, and often chooses evil.
But God also acts through the forces that brought justice to those who did this, and aided those who gave mercy to the suffering.
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>>1767053
disease and natural disasters are caused by the evil of men
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I need help finding new interesting history 2016-10-01 19:01:45 Post No.1766068
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I need help finding new interesting history
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So I am bored. I can't find any more action filled history. Can you help me /his/? I was really interested in Mongols and Genghis Khan but I read all about it already. Any history similar to Mongols. Excluding Huns I read about them too.
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stop treating history like an episode of ultimate fighters vikings vs mongols you STUPID FUCKING FAGGOT NIGGER
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>>1766068
>Scythians
>Parthians
>Timurids
Take your pick, anon.
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so what did Spain do during WWI? did they just sit back and chill?
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>>1765898
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Civil_War
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>>1765919
>WWI
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>>1765933
oh shit i'm sorry. I didn't see that
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Is Free Will real lads? I'm really scared that it's just an illusion.
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No, it's not real. Whatever decisions you make are subconsciously decided upon before you're conscious of it.
What you are, what you like, what your personality is like, how lazy, smart, brave, hardworking, selfish etc. you are are completely beyond your control, yet control absolutely everything about you and everything you do.
As Schopenhauer aptly put it
>'Man can do what he wants, but he cannot will what he wants
You are a biological machine, but don't worry, your mind will do its best to make you ignore this fact, just like it tries to make you ignore your own mortality. Don't forget that the universe is a completely uncaring place and there is no greater meaning or purpose to your or anyone's existence.
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>>1765815
Nah I think the universe is deterministic but I don't see why it matters to be honest. Free will might not technically exist but it effectively exists, since you'll always feel as though you're in control of your actions. So it makes no difference really.
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>>1765815
The world is deterministic, but even then, what is 'fate' but the sum total of your decisions of a lifetime?
Free Will and Determinism are merely abstractions that have no basis in reality.
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What the fuck was his problem?
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He was no Deng Xiaoping.
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>>1765652
He really, really wanted some Pizza Hut.
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>>1765692
дa!
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Should deliberately misrepresenting history be illegal? 2016-10-01 16:02:06 Post No.1765456
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Should deliberately misrepresenting history be illegal?
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>A cast-bronze monument for the victims of the sinking of a steam ferry recently appeared in Battery Park at the southern tip of Manhattan, near other somber memorials to soldiers, sailors and mariners lost at sea or on the battlefield. There was, however, no such ferry disaster. The artist behind the memorial, Joseph Reginella, made the whole thing up.
>The 250lb monument, which depicts a Staten Island ferry, the Cornelius G Kolff, being dragged under the waves by a giant octopus, is part of a multi-layered hoax that includes a sophisticated website, a documentary, fabricated newspaper articles and glossy fliers directing tourists to a phantom Staten Island Ferry Disaster Memorial Museum, across the harbor. The project took six months to build. Reginella said the idea came to him while he was taking his 11-year-old nephew from Florida on the ferry between Manhattan and Staten Island.
>Sometimes, he said, when he overhears people saying, “How come nobody has ever heard of this?” he’ll interject, offering that the disaster happened on 22 November 1963, a day when the news was dominated by the assassination of President John F Kennedy.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/01/new-york-staten-island-ferry-octopus-attack-fake-monument
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>Should deliberately misrepresenting history be illegal?
It's ethically wrong but it never has stopped anyone from not doing it. Every regime has done this. It's like spying. It is wrong, but no one cares enough.
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Not unless the guy is being a literal charlatan and trying to capitalize on it in predatory ways, ie. setting up a fund for the "descendants" of those affected by his fabricated event and pocketing the cash.
Honestly, I love this kind of shit. If it's done in an entertaining way and only misleading if you're too lazy to do some basic research and realize it's fake (which seemed to be the motivation for this guy's project in the first place), well-done historical fiction/art installations done in this way can be really immersive and enjoyable.
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no because then we would be imprisoning historians for human errors
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How come there's barely any sort of coverage of the Chechen wars, especially the second one?
The first time I found out about it I couldn't believe all the photos from that period.
What's your take on this, /his/?
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>Why wouldn't the Russians release more info about how they killed a shitload of civilians?
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The second one was a lot shorter and not a "big" as the Russians just bulldozed everything down while the first Russians found it very difficult to tackle Chechen guerrillas and keep Grozny due to factors of the collapsing soviet union.
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IIRC the Second War had alot of muslim expats from the ME fighting as "muh"-jahdeens and some of the leaders were fucking Saudis.
Which would explain why they lost so bad compared to the K/D ratio of the First war.
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Do you think it's possible that they'll elect a woman for pope some day?
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>>1764977
No.
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>>1764977
Yes, but large institutions change very slowly. It will be a long time.
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already happened with pope joan
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The few against the many 2016-10-01 13:22:24 Post No.1764948
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Times in history a few men stood up to thousands for what they believed in/cared about, I'll start
>Stand of the swiss guard
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Battle of Thermopylae
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>>1764948
David's mighty men
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>>1764948
THEY'RE THE 189
IN THE SERVICE OF HEAVEN
THEY'RE PROTECTING THE HOLY SEE
IT WAS 1527
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Was Cortez wrong in killing Aztec's? 2016-10-01 06:37:49 Post No.1763995
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Was Cortez wrong in killing Aztec's?
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Were they mighty 4chan. I mean Aztec's are crazy people who sacarfice a lot out of fear of darkness. I would kill them too.
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Conquistadors and modern Isis are the same, they say they do it for religion but are really there for the looting and raping. Destroying towns, burning texts and ancient temples of "infidels" enlaving them all in the name of "god"
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>>1763995
Killing the Aztec's what?
The Aztec's what was crazy?
You're not making much sense, OP.
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>ISIS aren't Islamic
nice meme
So my understanding of anselm's ontological proof may be flawed, so feel free to correct me, but as I understand it, it doesn't even prove his own god.
>God is the greatest possible good.
>What is greater, the idea of the greatest possible good, or the existence of the greatest possible good?
>Clearly, what's greater is the existence of the greatest possible good. Therefore, God exists
(This^ is the part where I'm pretty sure I may need correction)
How does anselm prove that the existence of God is, in fact, the greatest good when the abrahamic God's omnibenevolence is still debated? What's anselm's standard of good?
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It is more so like this.
1. God = That which no greater can be conceived than.
2. Consider your conception of God, does it include existence or not?
3. If not then you have the wrong concept in mind, because it is greater to exist than to not exist.
4. This leaves "yes" as your only possible answer, God necessarily exists.
I think this argument fails because it does not distinguish between meaning and reference to a rigorous enough degree. Just because I agree that "God" means a being that necessarily exists does'nt mean I think that the term "God" actually succeeds in referencing such a being.
Modal Ontological arguments based on Anselm's on the other hand tend to appear sound so as long as you buy into the systems of logic being utilized in them.
Leftow has an interesting modal interpretation of the argument, though I think that it may stray too far from the actual argument for the sake of making it work.
https://youtu.be/R_3Lwk6V3qY
Symbolized with G as: "God exists",◊ as our 'possible' modal operator, □ as our 'necessary modal operator, and -> as our conditional.
1. (P -> Q) -> ( ◊P -> ◊ Q)
2. G -> □ G
3. (G -> □ G) -> (◊ G -> ◊ □ G) From 1 and 2.
4. (◊ G -> ◊ □ G) From 2 and 3.
5. ◊ G
6. ◊ □ G From 4 and 5
7. ◊ □ G -> G
8. G From 6 and 7
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I'll definitely give this a favorite for watching tomorrow. Thanks!
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As we all know, Marx didn't really like anarchist Michail Bakunin. He wasn't that much of a gentleman either.
Here's a list of all the shit that Marx used to describe/said to Bakunin.
>Truly suspicious. Poor devil. Monster. A huge mass of flesh and fat. Jealous. A perfect ass. Stupid. Always ignorant. Smart as a Russian. Would-be European workers dictator. Fat. Damn Russian. Cheeky. Adulator. Intriguing. Cossack. Scoundrel. Beast. Incompetent, vain and zealous. Carryings-on moving the world. Sly. Expanding. Small talk. Bon vieillard credule. Muscovite cuckoo's egg. Squealer. Windbag extremism. Charlatan. Nasty ignorance and superficiality. Koran-less Mohammed. Acrobat. Muscovite dictator. Average man. Damn muscovite. Idiocy. Lacks any theoretical knowledge. Superficially snatched jumble. Theoretical nothingness. A complete spiritual misery. Stubborn. Crook. Ambitious. Big elephant. Old good scamp. Capable of any meanness. Lives out of blackmails. Pope.
Bakunin fucking rekt
I don't even really like Marx, but I have to admit he was pretty funny
What do you think /his/?
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>>1763658
If Marx didn't like Bakunin then that means that this Bakunin guy was probably alright. How do I learn more about him?
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Bakunin is literally our guy.
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>>1763666
>The liberty of man consists solely in this, that he obeys the laws of nature because he has himself recognized them as such, and not because they have been imposed upon him externally by any foreign will whatsoever, human or divine, collective or individual
Do you really want to know more about the father of anarcho-collectivism
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Anyone else here who doesn't think much of the rise of China?
Besides material growth, what else has China to offer? I don't feel the magnetism of China ( even when I went there ) in any way except for maybe businessmen, but besides that, it's a hollow entity in the world and in itself.
Their civilization seems non-existent now. Just a billion scammers and money-grabbers and a bunch of TEFL'ers coming home disappointed it isn't Qing China anymore.
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>>1763234
The influence of a culture isn't based purely on how much you like it.
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>>1763237
Well, where is their influence then? Their Western knock-off culture?
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The Revolution pretty much killed them spiritually. So much that a lot of them are even turning into Christianity as a reaction to their own culture. I met a Chinese girl who was like that
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Colonialist reality TV show:
>Each team is given a large swathe of ethnically diverse African territory
>They must build a country with an effective system of government and law
>The team whose country has the greatest amount of time between independence and decades long civil war and ethnic cleansing wins
Historically, which country won?
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>>1762908
>italy has libya
>not the ottomans
ANGERY
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>>1762912
That's to show Libya is colonizing Italy
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>>1762916
ITS AN OTTOMAN PROVINCE
THE ITALIANS WERE LATE
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Can we talk about the Ottomans, for a hot minute?
Not my favorite empire, they did some pretty evil things, but I'm more or less interested in the conflict the Ottomans had between Hungary and Austria, or more specifically the Habsburg territories. I'm trying to write up a small little primer on the interaction between these three powers, it's just that there REALLY IS so much history that happens in such a short span of time with so many famous people, its nearly impossible to keep track of it all. So I'll narrow my questions down to finer points:
1. What was the Ottoman tribute system?
2. How was this tribute system applied to the Hungarian people after the Ottomans conquered the majority of the kingdom?
3. What did they actually do to all the young boys they abducted/demanded? And the women?
4. Was Hungary effectively depopulated during the wars between the Habsburgs and the Sultan?
5. Were the wars rolling wars in that they never really stopped despite treaty, with the Pannonian plains being used as a sort of DMZ for back and forth fighting?
From what I get out of history books, they make it seem like Hungary was a smoking depopulated hellhole for 150 years until the Holy League started reconquering it all. I'm wondering how much of that is accurate, or if the Ottomans really were shits and spent all their time raping and forcing Islam.
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I can answer your third point.
If you with abducted mean the devsirme those young boys were converted to islam and depending on their abilities either became the elite infantry named jannisaries or they became statesmen if they were foud to be intelligent.
If you're talking about the literal abductions done by the barbary pirates and tatars under the ottomans then the women if they were pretty got sent into the harem of the sultan or those of the pashas which also came from the devsirme system or if they weren't that pretty they got bought and became domestic slaves which helped in the household of people wealthy enough to buy them. Construction etc got mostly done by free workers so male slaves at worst could end up in galleys.
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The tribute system was pretty much same as the jizya with added devşirme( blood tax) where they collected young boys and girls and beat the inferior christianity out of them,
The boys would be trained as soldiers and added to the elite Janissary corps or members of the government, but they would all be indoctraded into superior Ottoman sunnism.
The hungarian girls, as inferior as they were became harem wenches to be filled with superior turkic semen and maybe one day give birth to a child of superior turkic genetics.
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>>1762905
Which empire hasn't done """"evil"""" things.
Since when is killing people considered evil? Especially in war.
The word you're looking for is effective. Atleast the ottomans were effective until the decline.
Same thing can be said about EVERY empire t b q h.