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>there are people on /his/ who actually believe it was the Jews - not the Romans - who are to blame for the death of their Yeshua
>there are people on /his/ who actually believe blood libel accusations are true
The oldest manuscripts of Mark explicitly address Jesus as 'Yeshua Barabbas', with bar-Abbas simply meaning 'son of the father', which fits with what most historians agree concerning Jesus: that he was simply an apocalyptic preacher who claimed to be the Messiah (according to strictly Jewish ideas). In the famous incident when the crowd clamored for "Barabbas!" upon being (supposedly) asked by Pilate, they were explicitly referring to Yeshua, and not to some murderer/highway man.
The entire narrative of Jesus and Barabbas being presented to the crowd and Barabbas being chosen and the entire "his blood shall be on our hands!" is fictitious, and possibly invented for the sake of converting Romans/Hellenes as well as to prevent from attracting negative attention from the Imperial government. Some idiot scribe decided it would be convenient to take the 'Barabbas' epiphet and convert it into a separate character, to create a story of the Jews rejecting Jesus - possibly also a desire born from the desires of Pauline Christians to demonize Jewish-Christians following Paul's spats with the Jerusalem Church.
Yeshua was killed by the Roman authorities for his attempts to foment a rebellion; it is unlikely the Sanhedrin even took notice of him, considering that we know there were a great number of apocalyptic preachers and Messiah claimants among the Jews at the time.
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t. Morty Steinbergwitz
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>>1773608
Idiot.
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>>1773590
In all likelihood, Jesus probably WAS Barrabas, and the completely uncorroborated story of a "passover pardon" is probably a memory of people demanding his release, extralegally.
The oldest manuscripts of Mark refer to him as "Jesus Barrabas" and it puts a lot of weight on poor coincidence to assume that there are two guys whose name means "Jesus, son of the father" around at the same time and place and they're completely unrelated.
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Imagine a hypothetical drug that provides intense pleasure to the person using the drug and causes no negative side effects. This drug is very easy to create. Should a government ban this hypothetical drug? Why or why not?
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>causes no negative side effects
I find that highly doubtful
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Anything intense has drawbacks.
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This is a hypothetical drug
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Is reading Gibbon's "Decline and Fall" still worth it
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or is it outdated?
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its outdated in the sense that it's not up to date on modern scholarship sure
but as a literary work, its one of the greatest of the english language, Gibbon was a master writer
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this
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Considering almost all literature about the time period is based off his work, yeah it's worth reading.
>t. Someone reading it
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Top 3 on my list:
1. Historia Civilis
2.Military History Visualized
3. Ave imperator
what are some other good ones besides these three and papa lindy?
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Alternate History Hub
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That's a funny joke
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Crash Course :^))))))))
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>mfw i realize there are more documentations and evidence for the Holocaust then there are for Holdomor
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Because there was no Holodomor, silly.
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The problem with the Holodomor is the autistic obsession with proving willful intent. Ukrainian rightists are obsessed that somehow, this famine was an attempt to murder all Ukrainians.
The holodomor disproportionately affected Ukraine because that was where the bulk of collectivization practices were enacted. In addition, weather factors led to a particularly bad crop in parts of Ukraine. However, the famine affected much of Southern Russia as well.
Stalin, in all his stoic hard-heartedness, demanded that large amounts of food be taken from the farms to the cities, even though this meant the farmers would have less to eat. He didn't only treat Ukrainians this way.
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[COLAPSE]
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Let's say atheists are right and life is just a pointless coincidence
What's really the point of living then?
Why should you even bother? Life is a lonely, sad affair, why should I go through the pain instead of just ending it?
You go through all this shit and in the end it's for nothing
Might as well just check out
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Life is beyond affirmation or denial through argumentation. Reliance on an external validation of life is a sign of weakness. Life is its own justification.
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>>1773136
What does atheism have to do with that?
And why would you not want to live?
I think you're just hormonal, OP.
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>>1773136
Is this a way to bash atheists disguised as an existential crisis or the other way around?
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ITT: historical figures who are surprisingly not Jewish
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Pic unrelated?
>Kautsky died October 17, 1938 in Amsterdam. His son, Benedikt Kautsky (de) spent seven years in concentration camps; his wife Luise Kautsky died in Auschwitz.[5]
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German Autism Throughout The Centuries
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>We declared war on the whole world and lost. This is obviously the jewish people's fault.
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>We declared war on the whole world again and lost. This is obviously one bad man's fault.
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>woo its Weimar Republic time!
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Why don't Literature and History, and even Philosophy to some extent, get the same amount of respect as the natural sciences such as Mathematics, Physics and Medicine in the academic world?
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Scientism
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>>1773062
Because it isn't STEM.
It contributed absolutely nothing beside peons to toil away in service positions.
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>>1773062
Because a science, math, and medicine have far more practical applications.
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What did the ancient Mediterranean world think of black people?
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The Egyptians saw them as slaves, the Chartagineans and the Romans as vassals/barbarians.
The only respected niggers were Ethiopiansa who were actally based
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>>1773039
Can you refrain from such unscholarly language?
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>>1773031
They saw them as savages who should be avoided and no better then animals.
Which of the foreign volunteer SS divisions contributed the most to the Axis war effort?
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Italian
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The Estonians defending their native soil from the Red Army were pretty fucking amazing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/20th_Waffen_Grenadier_Division_of_the_SS_(1st_Estonian)
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The French
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Lost civilizations thread 2016-10-03 13:36:46 Post No.1772929
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The Cucuteni culture is incredible, large city-like settlements housing up to 20 or 40,000 people back in 4000 bc, making those settlements the biggest in the whole world at the time.
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>up to 20 people
wow
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They apparently knew the Yin-Yang symble too, pic extremely related
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It's clear that I didn't want to repeat ",000" two times, autist.
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Why do wars in China always kill an absolutely ridiculous number of people?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Kingdoms
>power vacuum that resulted in nearly 40,000,000 deaths which is even more insane if you take into account this took place in the 3rd century
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Lushan_Rebellion
>power hungry general and right hand man of the emperor decides he wants to rebel and make his own dynasty
>up to 36,000,000 dead
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qing_conquest_of_the_Ming
>Manchu people take over the Ming Dynasty
>up to 25,000,000 deaths including entire cities that are massacred because the men wouldn't cut their hair into the style that the Qing wanted
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiping_Rebellion
>crazy Chinese guy says he's the brother of Jesus
>creates a weird Christian kingdom and rebels against the Qing
>they both engage in total war against each other
>highest estimates are 100,000,000 people dead
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dungan_Revolt_(1862–77)
>a guy gets pissed because the other guy won't buy his bamboo poles
>sparks a massive war that killed up to 20,000,000 people
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because chinks are a real life "human" version of Zerg
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Chinese losses are high but personally I think its like ancient greeks with persians they just slap on numbers for effect.
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>ridiculous number of people?
Because compared to the rocky, broken terrain of Europe, China is a riverland civilization based on the Yangtze and the Yellow River, which allowed them to grow enough food to support truly massive populations, and in times of strife and disruption, cause the deaths of untold numbers of people
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Kingdoms
Keep in mind that these figures were spread out over many decades and most of the death came from widespread starvation and disease.
>An Lushan
The common thread that it shares with the Yellow Turban uprising is that it is a revolt against an old dynasty teetering on the brink of collapse due to corruption and internal rot
>Qing Conquest
probably the worst tragedy in Chinese history: the Han were taken over and it completely wiped out the edge that China had over Europe. Ming China was on the verge of an industrial revolution until they were taken over by northern rural isolationists who thought it was more important to police Chinese haircuts than be a participant on the world stage
>Taiping Rebellion
Basically China's version of the (American) Civil War: ancient tactics meets industrialized warfare. A meat grinder ensues.
>Dungan Revolt
That's actually a new one for me. Jesus, Chinese history is depressing.
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>French Revolution was a bad thing
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Yes, this is a fact
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t.Monarchist fascist anti-degenerate from the /pol/patrol.
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>>1772840
This is objectively true
>mustache man advocates nihilist philosophy
>n-no, I'm not a nihilist! Nihilists are people who believe life has inherent meaning that that morals aren't relative constructs
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>write books full of power fantasies
>get PTSD by seeing beaten up horse
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>>1772643
His philosophy is only nihilistic from a perverts perspectice.
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>>1772655
>yes, yes, one should be callous and be unconcerned with the pain of others, not so much as sneezing at causing untold suffering!
>muh horse!