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>>9376556
is there pederasty in the work?
if not, then it shouldn't matter to you, because he's dead and canonized already.

>>9376556
That's not what Faust is about so why does it matter?

>>9376559
Gretchen is like 14, that kind of counts.

>>9376434
you think you're being edgy, cool and groundbreaking but everyone on /lit/ - with the exception of those here who came from /x/ - agree that it's a shitty gimmick.

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>>9376434
it was fun to read at 17 years old. whatever.

>>9376420
Auden translated The Italian Journey (available via Penguin) and his edition includes a fine biographical essay. I'd start there. Then I'd read the first Wilhelm Meister in either the Princeton edition or Carlyle's translation. Goethe's quality is consistent. Don't bother with any of the lyric poetry unless youre learning German or a speaker.

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There is no reason to start anywhere other than Werther.

>>9376349
But he has also been a controversial voice over his 60-plus-year career. In “The Western Canon” (1994), he argued that certain writers, including Shakespeare, Homer, Dante and Tolstoy, are essential to any real education. He also railed against what he called the “School of Resentment”: scholars who promote reading texts from the point of view of feminism, Marxism and other ideologies and who advocate expanding the canon to be more multicultural. “To read in the service of any ideology is not, in my judgment, to read at all,” he wrote.

He sees political correctness as a continuing problem in universities today, but he hesitates to wade into the debate again. “I’ve had too many polemics in my life,” he says. “For 50 years I fought the death of humanistic studies in the universities and colleges and, in general, the failure of our intellectual education.” He’s tired of fighting, he says. “We lost the war,” he adds. “All I can do now is a kind of guerrilla action, but in the end there’s only Shakespeare.”

Mr. Bloom was born in the Bronx in New York City and raised in an Orthodox Jewish family. His father was a garment worker and his mother was a homemaker. He once wrote that his older sisters used to take him to the library “and thus transformed my life.”

He studied English at Cornell University and then at Yale, where he joined the faculty after receiving his Ph.D. Today, Mr. Bloom lives in New Haven, Conn., with his wife. They have two grown children.

>>9376349

Thank you for sharing this interview Anon.

>>9376351
In his widely discussed 1973 book “The Anxiety of Influence,” he argued that poets often have a difficult time freeing themselves from their imaginative debt to earlier poets who inspired them. Their own writing can be interpreted as an anxious reaction to those predecessors.

Does he experience his own “anxiety of influence” when he studies Shakespeare? Mr. Bloom swats away any comparison to his great hero. “I’m not really a writer,” he says. As a critic, he writes to appreciate, he says, adding, “I’m nothing but a teacher.”

The next book in his series on Shakespearean characters will focus on Cleopatra, followed by King Lear, Iago and Macbeth. He has turned to the playwright many times over the years. In his 1998 book “Shakespeare: The Invention of the Human,” he argued that Shakespeare was not just a brilliant writer but the genius who created our modern notions of human nature. His characters were the first to develop psychologically, Mr. Bloom wrote, leading to “the inauguration of personality as we have come to recognize it.”

His love for the Bard is just as strong these days. “The body ages and one is not what one was, but [Shakespeare] still cheers me up because it gives me some sense of human potential as perhaps it wanes in me,” he says.

He has made one change in his teaching methods to suit modern students: He no longer asks them to memorize lines from plays and poems, as he used to. With their smartphones and the internet, “it’s getting harder and harder for them to possess things by memory,” he says.

Gaddis.

>>9376280
He's certainly underrated on this board. Probably a combination of people trying to fit in and a juvenile faux-distaste towards something relatively popular among adolescent readers. It's like when you get hordes of socialite commentators railing against a trending phenomenon. Kerouac created works that were sincere, unfiltered, and genuinely enjoyable. The original scroll of On The Road is very good but someone has to be the punching bag

>>9376297
While I did not enjoyed the Road, I agree with you and I want to read more books from him (But it's weird to find english books to begin with in my town).

If I was born into a rich family I would.

as in drink? I have problems digesting even small amounts of alcohol

good post

The movie can be very funny, but not a decent drug-movie by my standards.

>>9376102
The film is quite similar to the book however there are a few differences.

If you enjoyed the movie then go ahead mate. The book's pretty much the same as the movie and I found myself imagining the scenes from the movie as I read through it.

I think I have permanent brain damage. What do from here on out?

>>9375957
My diary desu


And read the Bible and start going to mass, friend.

>>9375957
>I want to believe in God, what do i read?
why

>>9375977
this tbqhwyfamalamadingdong
I say this as a religious person myself: if your reasons are pseudish don't waste your time. Find the right reasons and you'll probably already know the answer.

>>9375796
wale papieża

>>9375796
Stervende hoeren kankerkachel.

Der ursprüngliche Benachrichtiger ist eine Schwuchtel

What do you call a faggot with a traffic cone up his ass?

Well-adjusted.

a mathematician cordons off an area and calls it a conic section.

Traffic cones are not mundane. They are interestingly colored, they are small tools that control millions of tons of speeding metal. Every single day traffic cones save thousands and thousands of lives.

The joke here isn't traffic cones, it's you.

Just read from the source and ignore people trying to "translate" it for modern times.

>>9375683
I think that more than traslate for modern times they Just cut out the traditional religious belief to it

>>9375664
Mysticism is for children anons, accept Christ.

>>9375626
Top cunny

>>9375626
I hate having to review something with keeping under only 2 themes

>>9375635
But we're only interested in those two.

Its some kid on twitter thinking he's profound for saying socrates is a dummy. Twitter is shit. sage

>>9375559
Plato was the one really agaisnt sophistry, and many say that's because they were his competitors in the market.

>>9375559
>sophists can convince the mob
Except when they can't. The art of the sophists is not a magic wand that makes you win the election every time, ask the Saudis paying the Clinton Foundation. Also this: >>9375565

I actually enjoyed the characters' presenting greater ideals as opposed to their being more lifelike, with the exception of Dominique, who, as you put it, reeked of self-insertion.

Honestly, this book made me feel motivated after I read it, though I concede that if I read it at a different point, it may have only embittered me, so I can understand why there are critics, but I'm hesitant to attribute much value to the sorts of critiques you've identified. I think that when people critique any form of media, their opinions are muddled by their prior emotional states. If you jumped from the Genealogy of Morals to Swann's Way, you're going to frame Proust differently than if you had read something like Frankenstein first. Or even if you read infrequently, being consumed by some obsession or pervading thought can contaminate the mind in a similar manner. Have you ever read a book, picked it up again a few years later, and realized that your opinion of the material had completely changed? Or maybe it's something small- maybe one day someone smiles at you and the movement serves only as an irritating reminder of the displeasure you feel.

I'm going through one of those periods now where I am aware of the way I used to think, but I do not know how to return to that mindset. The world is all distorted, like the old Gameboy Colors would sometimes get if dust got in the framework. It feels as if my mind is corrupted, and by trying to return to my previous thought process, I am mentally stunting myself. I don't believe it's possible to ever become a past version of yourself in the way I dream, but I'm hoping that I can clear away the bad parts.

i think Ayn writes quite well actually
she just wants you to not wallow in the base natures of humanity and instead strive for greatness. she isn't popular because qualities like discipline and master work are things not popular in todays culture.

>>9375280
>Do most people hate it because they this novel is constantly reminding them to hold higher ideals and to better oneself? Do people really hate being reminded and scolded for their flaws?

I hate it because of Ayn Rand.

It s a meme. Im italian and we read dante in highschool. The poetry is good but evrything else is medieval garbage and religious bullshit. And if u read It translated you lose the poetry too.

PS: It s considered important just becouse its One of the major work written in italian (florence language) rather than latin

>>9375175
>>9375221
couldn't we filter obvious pleb IP? Like a program designed to insta-ban any poster based on keywords and images?
Don't worry, you'll both grow up. Please read more and lurk less.

>>9375293
>Not post any arguments supporting It s idea
>Tell people to grow up
>Tell people to read more

Your ego is as big as your ass