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Guys, what are your opinions on transhumanism?
First time poster, occasional lurker here. I'm a huge fan of Ghost in the Shell (the first anime movie in particular) and have been spending more time recently thinking about the implications of a transhumanist future.
The anime film, if you haven't seen it, progressively breaks down the elements of life that people use to build themselves an identity and a sense of self. Nations and boarders and blurred, the human body can be replaced and customized with cybernetic parts, memories can be replaced, etc. The main character, Major Motoko Kusanagi, is someone who was born biologically female but has become almost entirely artificial by the events of the film. She's fallen into an existential crisis and has begun to wonder what really makes her, her.
But what's interesting is that, despite how much time she spends naked, she looks really androgynous. To me, it seems like her ideas of gender have gone out the window along with her other ideas of self.
Also, at the end of the film, she unites with a sort of digital consciousness evolved from an AI that presents itself in (part of) a female body, but with a male voice and Motoko's face. So two sexes seem to integrate into one, becoming this new, technological god-like form.
So, naturally, I wonder if this film spoke to any trans people on the board? Does "TRANS" mean "TRANSitionary" or "TRANScendent" to you?
Likewise, how do you think you would have fared in a less technologically, medically advanced time without surgeries and hormone treatments? How do you see the future in this regard?
Do you think the future holds answers for these uncomfortable questions facing us today, or will it only be more confusing?
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>transhumanism
>Ghost in the Shell (the first anime movie in particular)
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Also, have something from my dream journal (for posterity, I'm a straight cis male);
Had an intensely vivid, realistic dream last night that inspired by the Ghost in the Shell film. I had to go undercover as some sort of Geisha bot.
First, probably for the hell of it, my girlfriend and some other member of what I assume was section 9, tried putting some make-up on me. Really unconvincing lipstick that just looked funny. I had some weird latex sheet put on my face to coat my skin with some sort of gel, making me look all shiny when it was taken off. But there was no holes to breathe through, so I had a difficult time breath-ing, feeling like I was going to suffocate. None of this really served any purpose. What I really needed to do was change bodies.
Apparently I was like the Major in that I was 99% robotics, with only my brain and part of my spine being organic. I was put onto an (dis)assembly line, and had my body progressively taken apart by robotic arms. I can’t begin to describe how real this felt. Nothing was painful, but I felt my senses leave me. First my synthetic skin was dissolved and stripped away, robbing me of my sense of touch. The machine body underneath was made of a sort of scaffold of semi-transparent “ribs” and tubes. Then my limbs were dismantled and taken away, making me immobile. My chest and skull were stripped down too, and all non-essential parts to my life support functions were taken away, leaving little more than a bionic ribcage and a cranium with rudimentary eyes.
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I started to have a bit of a panic attack internally on this line and tried to meditate with the man-tra “no body no mind no body no mind-” to ease the distress of having my body and most of my senses stripped away. But all I could effectively do was watch and listen.
I left the assembly line on a trolley, wheeled down the hall by a mechanic/doctor. I was wheeled into a small lecture theater where the lecturer, the apparent owner of this assembly line, was proudly telling his audience that I was to be yet another Geisha bot. But he said I wouldn’t be re-assembled until tomorrow, which terrified me because of the state I’d be left in until then. Luckily I had a plant in the audience, disguised as an investor, who managed to pressure him into having me put together immediately. I would have clapped or cheered if I had arms and a voice.
So I was reassembled, this time being put under. I woke up with a woman’s body; asian with a bob cut, skinny proportions, small boobs, like a typical fashion model. I was a room with other women, all of us still nude. I was still dazed, slightly in shock, so everything felt hazy and weird. I remember touching my skin to make sure I was solid, surprised how real it felt, even though there were clear seams along my body to indicate I was still a cyborg. In true Ghost in the Shell fashion, I didn’t have a pussy, the reason being, as I found out later, was to stop clients from trying to have sex with us. Reproductive organs cost extra and only came with certain models.
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Hm? What's the problem with that?
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Was this guy on the level?
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Was he telling the truth or is he just a troll? Is there no hope for any of us? When guys look at us and call us hot, is it because they're clocking us and they just pity us? Or are chasers more common than I thought? Were we all getting played for fools by chasers and well-meaning "allies" this whole time? Discuss.
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Op. Have you actually had a conversation with emily?
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>>8528658
Wondered the same when i saw that post. It's probably a troll though
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>>8528693
Cornflakes was a shut in for a long time, no?
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Why are so many other mtf lesbian? I'm literally the only one I know that's straight.
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straight ones have more dysphoria and tens to seek other mtf out less and also lower internet presence. i have heard of chaser girls having trouble finding lesbian mtfs though. maybe seek mtfs through irl channels?
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>>8528489
Why are so many cis men straight?
I'm literally the only one I know that's gay.
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lrn2blanchard
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my tansgender girlfriend, what do you think about her?
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>>8528406
TAN IS NOT A GENDER
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trans* sorry
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MtT, male to tan
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Has anyone else here suffered sexual abuse as a child? I was wondering because I'm into some pretty fucked up stuff now and I'm wondering how much that formed my sexuality.
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Yes I did and I think it impacted me, why I’m on this forum and why I’m a 27 year old virgin.
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>>8528223
http://www.vets4childrescue.org/
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i'm fairly certain the last time i saw my dad irl when i was little he did and now i still have an insanely irrational fear of the dark at the ripe age of 21. feels amazing desu.
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Transgender Kids= Child Abuse? 2017-07-02 03:50:00 Post No.8528173
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Transgender Kids= Child Abuse?
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I understand how some young children might have very disturbing, mixed up ideas about gender and it causes them strife. But what about the chance that other times, kids are transitioning because of child abuse?
How is a child transitioning before puberty and before adulthood not Munchausen by proxy syndrome?
>Munchausen syndrome by proxy (MSBP) is a mental health problem in which a caregiver makes up or causes an illness or injury in a person under his or her care, such as a child, an elderly adult, or a person who has a disability. >Because vulnerable people are the victims, MSBP is a form of child abuse or elder abuse.
he caregiver with MSBP may:
>Lie about the child's symptoms.
>Change test results to make a child appear to be ill.
>Physically harm the child to produce symptoms.
>Victims are most often small children. They may get painful medical tests they don't need. They may even become seriously ill or injured or may die because of the actions of the caregiver.
>Children who are victims of MSBP can have lifelong physical and emotional problems and may have Munchausen syndrome as adults. This is a disorder in which a person causes or falsely reports his or her own symptoms.
These parents get lots of attention, lots of "medical tests", lots of "sympathy". They get to cry and ask "Why me?!" with everyone on standby giving them a pat on the back.
It sounds like Munchausen by proxy to me.
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>It sounds like Munchausen by proxy to me.
Thats because the possibility for it certainly exists. It's easier to pull off one of this things with a mental illness than a physical one for obvious reason. The trick is where you take that information.
Immediately saying that any kid transitioning is being abused is just silly. I would've loved to have transitioned early, who wouldn't? It's good treatment for this condition. There are kids out there who are in a lot of distress who this can help and while due caution is important we can't let the behavior of irresponsibile parents halt medical treatment for all.
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It's Summer Games Done Quick 2017 (annual speedrunning charity event), and there are shitloads of transpeople involved. Tell me, /lgbt/, why are a disproportionate amount of streamers/speedrunners/geeks trans?
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>>8528171
>is it live PogChamp
kys
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>OpieOP
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Probably has something to do with the weapons grade autism needed to be a speedrunner. I'm just not sure exactly how to make the connection yet.
Got misgendered at the toilet again.
>Is it a male toilet?
>Miss, what you doing in a male WC?
>Sorry, is this a gender neutral wash room?
Every fucking time
Why are people so nonbinaryphobic? Jesus Christ, I can't even piss without getting attention
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>>8528160
just piss in the fucking female bathroom then
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>>8528160
If you have a dick, then use the urinal and no one will question you. If you don't have a dick, use the women's room.
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>want to be masculine alpha male daddy type
>barely 5'10
>post pictures here and gets dozens of replies saying i'm cute/beautiful/twink
>people saying i pass
>i'm not a tranny and didn't ask
You can't always get what you want, I guess.
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>>8528046
Start taking your hormones young miss
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Same, everyone's urged me to get on HRT since 17. I just want to be tough. ;_;
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There's no such thing as sexuality. There's no 'straight', 'gay' or 'bisexual'.
Discuss.
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>theory
sexuality being a spectrum isn't a new idea you invented bud
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i dont like this new radical way of thinking
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It's not, though. The theory suggests you CAN help what you're attracted to. There simply is no 'sexuality'. Remember Ancient Greece?
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In frol germany and an lookinh for bf. I live in small town and the next big city is 2h away, online dating sucks too.what to do?
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>>8527834
Where do you live and what is your sex?
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>>8527840
Thuringia, im 18 male and wanna be a girl.
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>>8527834
can I be your German tranny mommy?
I had somewhat of an epiphany while reading and participating in the discussions on this thread yesterday boards.4chan.org/lgbt/thread/8518982 .
Basically I came to an understanding about what gender actually means and in what way it affects us and how we can be free of it.
So, basically, gender is a spook, a social construct. It's not tied to biological sex at all, it's merely a manifestation of all sorts of societal garbage that is already being outmoded. Men can have vaginas and women can have penises. However, we live in a gendered world and gender is deeply, deeply internalized in all of us. Calling oneself a man or a woman carries with it some assumptions about the body and personality of that person. This, to me, explains why we call ourselves trans women or trans men or non-binary. We feel like these assumptions made about our bodies and personalities don't fit us, and we might feel like the assumptions tied to the gender "woman" fit us better (in the case of trans women), or in the case of non-binary people, neither or both or any combination of that. However, in a world without gender, no such assumptions at all would be made and each person would be judged at face value.
The elimination of gender goes hand in hand with the destruction of capitalism, class, racism, patriarchy and gender. These things cannot be done separately and they cannot be done by one group of people alone. The whole working class needs to battle these things together, hand in hand. Gender can only truly not exist in a society where these things don't exist either.
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When this is achieved, we won't have men, women or non-binary people. We'll simply have people. People who were born with vaginas and take testosterone and are hairy. People who were born with vaginas but preferred to have a penis so they had surgery to change that. People who were born with a penis but take estrogen and testosterone blockers and like wearing dresses. People who were born with penises and are big and hairy. Not cis men or trans men or trans women or cis women. Just people who live in the body that is most comfortable for them. This will be universal right in a communist society, similar to food, water and shelter and other forms of healthcare.
Then I started thinking about what dysphoria is exactly. Dypshoria as we understand it in a gendered society is gender dysphoria. But without gender, dysphoria still exists. The incongruence between the brain and the body that causes this suffering won't just go away. It is a biological fact that this incongruence exists. However it is also the case that some things we, as trans people, feel uncomfortable about some parts of ourselves that might not be due to dysphoria, but due to the assumptions tied to our assigned sex. For example, sometimes we change things about ourselves not because of dypshoria, but to "pass" better (i.e trick someone into thinking we are a cis person). To fit the assumptions made about us better. To be safe in a world where gender is violently enforced in many cases. I'm not saying this is a bad thing to do, it's necesairy for our own safety as trans people. I'm only saying that this would not be something we'd have to do in a world without gender.
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It's odd, but the only way to destroy gender is to accept trans women as women, fully and trans men as men, fully and non-binary people as the gender they identify as, fully. In our gendered world, this is a reality, a social reality and we need to move on from that eventually, to untie gender from biology, fully, in all ways, in ways that are incomprehensible to us now, but not far out of reach to the people of the future, the people who have overthrown capitalism and patriarchy and racism and all that. In order to eliminate gender we need to accept people's genders (similar to how you need to form a worker's state to achieve a stateless society).
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>Men can have vaginas and women can have penises
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Any trans people here feel like chatting?
chasers also welcomed.
https://discord.gg/tX5GTNW
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LGB are also welcomed.
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invite expired
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trans people come here
but not chasers
>"We shall ban them on the beaches, we shall ban them on the landing grounds, we shall ban them in the fields and in the streets, we shall ban them in the hills; we shall never surrender." -Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi
May god save your immortal souls
here is link https://discord.gg/ywkrX7c
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>blanchard bot
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>liberalism bot
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Saved. More like the first one please.
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I may of taken my underprivilege too seriously
but like, i still take it seriously because I fucking hate most whites, and you wanna know what? it's not because I'm an transgender, it's because most straights have fucking wronged me. the only thing left for me to be an LGBT who desires nothing but love and making the world great through social justice
so
FUCK
privileged white people
fuck privileged straight people
I do not care if I am the most caring member of this board, nor do I care if most people hate me that realize what I am. For I've been screwed over too many times to truly care about the disgusting privileged assholes that deserve nothing but socialism! I believe whole heartily in the re-education of the white menace, of the cis and the disgusting straight-cult. Without Social Justice, we would truly be living in the darkest of times.
We have to band against those who have been oppressing the people with the patriarchy, and either put them down or raise them as our equal!!
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>Social Justice
Do you know what fucking website you're on right now???
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DESTROY the patriarchy and it's oppression!
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re-educate them