Dear Hiro: A Plea From An Anon On The State Of 4chan

>>667528
1. The New Boards added: Since you took control several new boards have been added, those being /his/, /qst/, /aco/, /asp/, /news/, /trash/ and /wsr/. The results have been very mixed, mostly being negative:

-/his/ has been reduced to nothing more than a pure board full of composting that contains no substance at all. Worse, no mods or janitors seem to care about cleaning it up.
-/qst/ has been nothing short of a disaster. For starters the boards announcement and creation came out of almost nowhere, a poor confusing name and its lack of clear rules and lack of features made going to /qst/ undesirable for those on ./tg/. Then recently, the mods decided to kick off the Quest people from /tg/ and force them onto /qst/. Many of these posters are furious because of the mods refusal to answer any questions, explain any rules or even work with the community. Its as if the mods made /qst/ as nothing more than a containment board, hoping that will force all the quest people off 4chan.
-/aco/ from the beginning was a clusterfuck. /aco/ was meant to be a board where /co/ could post western porn in peace. Instead, the mod from /d/ started deleting and banning anyone posting western content from /d/ suddenly, forcing them onto /aco/. Both sides were furious by this move, and it didn’t help that the mods refused to communicate with us, nor did you in fact when we asked you several times to help us.

>>667536
-/asp/…where the fuck do I begin? It was a nice, comfy board in the beginning. But then when a small minority of people on /sp/ bitched about the WWE threads on there and demanded they be moved, you gave into them. What has happened has been nothing short of a disaster. The board is constantly plagued by shitposts, non stop wrestling spam, and a clear lack of moderation. In fact the board has been destroyed by one shitposter called Carter/Deanmark, who has completely destroyed /asp/. In fact anyone making threads he doesn’t like or talking bad about him end up getting banned, making Carter either a Janitor or in fact a mod.
-/news/: A decent board I guess. But people mostly go to /pol/ for news anyway so it defeats its purpose.
-/trash/: Turned out better than expected. The mods quickly gave up on the boards original purpose: To move all off topic threads here. Instead the board has become home to Furries, MLP porn, Hunger Games Roleplay and EroticRoleplay.
-/wsr/: Its mostly now being spammed by people asking stupid questions or asking for someone’s dox.

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>>667528
>After many anons from /v/, /pol/ and /b/ left back in 2014 after moot’s poor handling of GamerGate
Oh god you're one of THOSE faggots.
>>>/8gag/

>>667540
2. Moderation and Janitors: This right here is the biggest issue facing 4chan right now. The moderation team has proven themselves to not only be incompetent at their jobs, but also corrupt as well. I shall now explain.

-/co/ is ran by a Nazi mod who deletes anything he doesn’t like on the spot, and leaves up composting threads just so he can get a good laugh. Its disgusting what this mod is doing and no one is doing a damn thing to stop him.
-/o/ is plagued by a constant shitposter call Alphonse, who spams /o/ non stop with clear composting bait threads. The mods do nothing about him either, and in fact seem to be allowing him to shitpost. Nothing is cleaned up until after Alphonse says he’s done.
-/v/’s moderation team is beyond lazy. They often times refuse to delete any off topic threads despite them being reported multiple times. They also allow up console war threads, which are basically shitposts disgusted as a thread that do nothing but destabilize the board.
-/tv/’s mod, who goes by the name of Invisibro/Swaglord, allows CP, Guro, Bestiality and all matter of porn up and does nothing to delete it. In fact he has banned people for even reporting the threads. He has admitted that he does all of this because it amuses him. Not surprisingly, he is also the mod on /s4s/, in which he has built himself a cult around him that does whatever he says. He is by far the most corrupt mod on all of 4chan.

>>667545
There are so many other boards I can tell you about that are plagued by moderation. But what I can tell you is this: The mods on 4chan have ruined the site. Their incompetence, corruption and greed knows no limits, and they seem to flat out hate us and refuse to even talk to us about our issues.

>>667549
3. You: Now it all comes back to you Hiro. Since you have bought this site, you have spoken in broken English, making confusing remarks that don’t have any explanation. You also have a tendency to bail threads and never come back after you pop in regarding a major topic. Also, you are allowing malware ads up that infect other peoples’ computers. Now I don’t know if you’re doing this for money or what, but it shows a clear lack of care for your site moot trusted you with. Also, you have not even taken into account the major issues we have told you about for months now. Instead you act as a confused person and claim you don’t’ understand us. Many are starting to think that you bought this site just to make money, and that we are nothing more than a toy to you to play with and than discard.

Hiro, 4chan is simply put, fucked right now, and the major issues right now are not only the Mods, but also you to an extent. However, I really believe you can fix this site, as you’re the only one who has no ties or loyalty to any of moot’s old mod team. Here are some suggestions that you might want to try:

Whoever is pissing /v/, /pol/ and /b/ is in the right path

You are not something that needs fixing, but careful handling, like a toxic waste that threatens to contaminate the rest of the boards

>>667555
1. Clean house: Meaning, simply put, purge and remove all current Mods and replace them. There is no other way to say this other than the mods cannot be fixed. They will never change at all and they will continue to act the way they act no matter what you tell them. The only way to stop this is to completely remove them, shut down 4chan for a few days while you build up a new moderation team, and then reopen the site. Consider making mods board specific and not global. Global moderation only serves to cause more headache and incompetence. You might want to start recruiting from the actual boards and user base, reaching out to them and hiring who you think is best suited. You could also try to bring over some of your Japanese buddies from 2ch to mod us. Maybe what we need is strict Japanese moderation to clamp down on composting.

>>667562
2. Spend more time with your site. Hiro I’m not asking much of you, only that you try and spend at least 30 min of your time on 4chan every day. That way people can see that you care for this site and its user base. Don’t think of us as some toy to play with: We have been around for a long time, and we are very passionate and loyal to 4chan. But what we need is a admin who cares and connects with his user base, and many right now do not see you as that.

>>667563
So Hiro, I don’t know if you’re going to read this or not. I hope that you do, in fact I’ll translate this into Japanese if it helps. We need you Hiro to step up to the plate for once and start doing the right things. Because like it or not, 4chan is not going to get any better if things continue the way they are. In fact many will just flea to 8ch, which is owned by the man who scammed you, Jim Watkins. You don’t want to let him win again do you?

-Anonymous

>>667567
People fleeing to 8gag are mostly shitposters, good riddance I say

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If you don't like the moderation then kindly fuck off back to 8gag.

The only "problem" in this thread are all the overly grandiose expectations all these self-entitled faggots seem to have for this site.

>>667558
What we need is better moderation period. If the mods could clean out the shitposters, while keep things on topic while still allowing fun we wouldn't' be in this mess we're in.

>>667573
>fuck off back to 8gag.
Typical mod cuck. You don't seem to realize people are leaving 4chan because of the piss poor moderation. Mods have ruined 4chan, just take a look at /g/ and /co/

>>667545
>/tv/’s mod, who goes by the name of Invisibro/Swaglord, allows CP, Guro, Bestiality and all matter of porn up and does nothing to delete it. In fact he has banned people for even reporting the threads. He has admitted that he does all of this because it amuses him. Not surprisingly, he is also the mod on /s4s/, in which he has built himself a cult around him that does whatever he says. He is by far the most corrupt mod on all of 4chan.
This is unbelievable bullshit that can be easily disproved by looking at what is being deleted using 4plebs archive

How many of the boards you are "diagnosing" do you visit regularly? Your posts look like a collage of every outlandish claim made by someone on /qa/

>>667577
What you don't realize this has been the usual state of things since 5chan was created 12 years ago, when you were probably 12 as well. People "leaving" 4chan for other chan because moderation is not what they expect it to be (be it more moderation, less moderation or no moderation). This has never been a problem before, it is not a problem now.

>>667601
It is a problem now though. Its not like it was back then. Moderation has only gotten worse, and its noticeable now more than ever. A change of guards is needed

>>667604
You weren't there back then.

In 2006 people threatened to leave en-masse because moot dared to ban child models, thus 12chan was board. Dead by 2009.

In 2011 /r9k/ and /new/ were deleted. Users took refuge at 4ch*n.net and started spamming us. Dead by 2014

In 2014 gamergate and the fappening happened. Banned users took refuge at 8gag and started shilling it. Dead by ??

You lack a historical perspective needed to be able to asses the magnitude or nature of 4chan's problems.

>>667627
This isn't 2006 anymore. The internet has grown massively since Reddit and Tumblr came onto the scene. Newfags are an even more constant danger than they were so many years ago. It was never this fucking bad, and moderation was not even close to being this incompetent like they are now.

Also 8gag isn't going anywhere. Jim Watkins, who owns 2ch which he stole from Hiro, owns it now and he plans to make it compete with us

>>667627
Also you seem to forget that moot doesn't own this site anymore. Hiro does. moot made a lot of fucking mistakes over the years

>>667545
You should add:
/pol/ has a major moderation problem. It's not that the mods and janitors are lazy or don't care about the board- there are plenty of instances of mods and jannies being based when it comes to cleaning up off-topic and /b/-tier threads- it's that there aren't enough mods or janitors online at one time to moderate such a fast-moving board.

/pol/ should have it's number of moderators and janitors increased because of this.

>>667690
I would have added that, but it would have made this thread quickly devolve into anti-/pol/ posting.

The problem are the mods and janitors themselves. They are seemingly allowing clear shitposting threads up while having no problem deleting anything criticizing them on the spot. The mods clearly hate /pol/ and are doing this on purpose. We need new fucking mods period.

>>667696
Reposting this from the other thread:

Once a mod popped into some off-topic gf thread on /pol/ before deleting it.
He answered some questions, one of which was about mods being lazy. He said that there are times where there aren't even mods online to help moderate /pol/ and, in general, /pol/ was lacking in a sustained 24/7 moderation/janitor team. He also noted it's harder to moderate /pol/ due to it being a fast-paced board (/pol/ is the 3rd largest board on 4chan as of current).

If you report an off-topic roll-thread or some underages on /pol/, eventually they'll get deleted but it takes quite the long while, which is proof enough the staff hasn't given up moderating /pol/ and just lets shitposting stay up.

>>667653
8gag is a spook, I mean, that's literally how you are using it, neither Hiro nor moderation (well, Hiro might be a little butthurt for personal reasons) are concerned about having to "compete" with Jimbo. Said competition exists only in your mind. Jimbo is worried about the monetization of his websites. 4chan's financial aims are to be able to break even and maybe save enough money to reward its volunteers for their help.

>>667700
The mods are concerned about 8ch. They are the ones who doxxed several of the mods, including Troid. Mods are known to go on there and run damage control as much as they can.

Hiro should try and compete with Jimbo, and actually get competent moderation.

-Their /v/ works why? Good moderation and janitors

-Their /pol/ works why? Good moderation and janitors

-Their /b/ works why? Good moderation and janitors

-Their /co/ works why? Good moderation and janitors

See the pattern here?

>>667701
So then why are the mods deleting anything criticizing them on sight, but won't delete clearly off topic threads that are visible right in their faces?

And if /pol/ is too fast why not fucking slow it down already? Why aren't they doing that? He was running clear damage control.

>>667585
I'm a /wsr/ user and OP is a fucking liar. I haven't seen a single dox request and most of the requests aren't stupid.

OP is a lying cunt who thinks he knows what 4chan needs. Shit, he thinks this is /q/ and that mods come here. That's enough to show how new he is.

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>>667705
>why are the mods deleting anything criticizing them

>>667703
The issue is whoever gets to join the moderation staff is decided by the moderators themselves. And they have chosen very poorly for the last few rounds; the quality of moderation keeps decreasing.

I wouldn't be surprised if they automatically reject everyone who doesn't completely see eye to eye on their views even if they're competent, just so they can stay in power.

>>667709
moot made that rule because he couldn't' stand getting criticized for his fuckups.

>>667712
Well they fucking made Troid a mod so its not looking good. Hence why we need to purge them all, as i've stated before

>>667528
Does the manager and developer ever do anything?

>>667715
It sounds good in theory, but I'm not sure how Hiro will be able to pick replacements if he purges them all.

And even if there's a way, we still need to convince him to actually take action. In fact, that's probably the harder step.

>>667528
>>667536
>>667540
>>667545
>>667555
faggot

>>667718
He'll need to begin the process then. Honestly reaching out to his buddies in Japan might be the best shot. Japs are known for being Nazi mods, and that might be just what we need

>>667718
I mean everyone told him a year ago moderation was a massive issue. We pressed him on it and he did nothing. He's not gonna be able to hide

>>667741
So we have a method. Now we need to convince him to actually implement it. Which won't be easy, to say the least.

>>667751
>He's not gonna be able to hide
The problem is, he can, and at this rate, he'll keep hiding forever.

>>667751
The vast majority of 4chan doesn't think there is anything wrong with the mods. When everything goes smoothly you don't here about it. Being a mod is a thankless job.

It's only the relatively few whiners on /qa/ who have problems and insist all mods need to go. This board serves as containment for those people so they don't shit up every other board with these complaints.

>>667758
>The vast majority of 4chan doesn't think there is anything wrong with the mods.
Ridiculous. They only don't voice it out because you literally get banned for doing that.

>>667703
I see a pattern of /v/ conspiracy theories

If you believe their boards work better then leave, the only one making an issue about it is yourself.

The current post rate in 8gag is 35 posts per minute, about same /a/ had in the last hour (34 ppm). 8gag is basically one 4chan board that concentrates all the site's human resources (mods and janitors).

Another way of seeing it is: 8gag has 2006 4chan's post rate. It is appealing more due to its size, which makes it manageable, than due to its moderation. Any significant migration from 4chan and you will start seeing the same problems you complain about here.

>>667760
Pretty much this. Many boards have voiced their opposition to the mods before/ /qst/ recently did it. The mods are quick to delete and ban anyone who talks shit about them though, but mostly everyone on 4chan agrees the mods need to go.

>>667764
Which is why the bigger boards need to have more janitors and more mods than the others. Problem is, mods are corrupt and dont' care

>>667760
You are ridiculous, half of the visiting IP's don't even post, just read the site. You are a minority, within a minority, within a minority, within a minority.

>>667773
Anyone with a brain could tell you moderation is horrible. Go to /co/ and tell me everything is perfect and come back to me. Better yet go to /g/. They are the results of incompetant, corrupt moderation

>>667768
You are deluded beyond reason or grossly misinformed if you think you speak for a majority of people

>>667773
>counting lurkers as part of 4chan
What the fuck am I reading?

>>667774
I've never, in almost 9 years, received a ban I did not deem somehow worthy. Not that I doubt that could be the case for some people, but those tend to be exceptional cases, not the rule as you are trying to portrait.

Irony is that I have received more bans than you have days posting here, it's just that I'm not an entitled shitposter.

>>667776
Some unique visiting IP's post, others don't. They're all counted in page-views (what is relevant for advertisers). Not that hard to grasp.

>>667786
>bumping up page views for advertisements is now equivalent to being part of 4chan's userbase
Wew lad.

>>667794
Why not? They (financially) contribute more than people who block them

>>667690
>/pol/ has a major moderation problem. It's not that the mods and janitors are lazy or don't care about the board- there are plenty of instances of mods and jannies being based when it comes to cleaning up off-topic and /b/-tier threads- it's that there aren't enough mods or janitors online at one time to moderate such a fast-moving board.

All /pol/ needs is its cooldown times being brought into line with those of other boards so that users can't easily spam new threads or post zero-effort /b/ crap.

>>667816
>>>/biz/

hiroyuki ## Admin 2016-09-14 08:45:24 Post No.668022
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hiroyuki ## Admin 2016-09-14 08:45:24 Post No.668022 [Report]

How you decide good mos or bad mods?
Is there any standard?

hiroyuki ## Admin 2016-09-14 08:50:56 Post No.668024
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hiroyuki ## Admin 2016-09-14 08:50:56 Post No.668024 [Report]

Some people say mods don't delete the thread.
Others say mods delete the thread.
There's no right move for everyone.

What we need is not complaining.
What we need is clear regulations for mods.
Each boards has each culture so that each boards have to make regulations, which threads we delete or not.

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>>668022
>>668024
Hey Hiro could you fix the /mlp/ banner competition?

it got raided by some offsite people who mass voted really poorly made troll banners that aren't /mlp/ related while an actual banner got in third place. pic related, someone was so dedicated that he submitted all four troll banners.

banners should ideally be a nice reflection of the board not an MSpaint insults.

>>668024
Could you explain some of the decisions behind /qst/? From our perspective, it seems like it's been just one mod working on their own.

>>668022
You probably already know this.
The majority of posters decide it like so...
>A good mod is one who does things I like
>A bad mod is one who does things I dislike
That's it. Its not objective.

>>668022
Depends on their actions. Stuff that makes people dislike mods include making unnecessary changes to the board, deleting things that have long been accepted by the community, not communicating well and not listening to community feedback.

Take /qst/ for example. The moderator didn't ask for the board's feedback before directing all quests there. He didn't even bother to explain why all quests were being moved there; he just dropped a sticky and made it the rule. A sudden change like it is bound to make people pissed off.

That's not getting into the lack of support for /qst/, half-implemented features that don't help questers at all, the questionable necessity of the board in the first place (given that quests only took up 8% of all threads on /tg/ according to archives) and the dangers of listening to rabid but small minority.

>>668025
When are you going to get over it?
You really think this matters?

>>668027
not necessarily that simple. a bad mod can nuke entire discussions due to an offtopic troll effectively encouraging him further in a suicide bomber like manner instead of deleting just his posts for instance.

a bad mod abuse his bans as well.
>>668029
it matters enough to make you reply technically.

>>668030
Other boards have a sense of humour. One upset poster on mlp shouldn't overturn the democratically votes for banner. Regardless if others were called to vote on it, vote on it they did. The majority spoke, you lost.

>>668022
Can we have moot back? Please?

>>668032
raids from people outside of the related board voting on removes the democracy from the vote not to mention a banner should probably look nice, reflect the users and not be a crude insult in MSpaint.

this isn't a crude joke like you're implying, it's something that is likely going to be in the banner rotation for a while. blowing a representative banner on a poorly presented joke is a bad idea.

>>668035
You guys should have bought 4chan passes. This site has more to worry about than /mlp/ being mad for not taking part in an easily accessible democratic option you selfish fuck.

You're not making yourselves not good at all.

>>668035
It doesn't remove the democracy you idiot.
It means the majority of users outvoted a minority.

/mlp/ and its userbase are a minority. The board doesn't even exist to please that minority. It exists for the majority of users who want you contained.

>>668022
According to /qa/, there is no such thing as a good mod.

Don't make changes based off of /qa/'s whining, Hiro. Seriously, just don't.

>>668036
People clearly did but they were not dedicated or butthurt enough six years later on a cartoon about small horses to actively rig a voting contest. the fact that people are still possess this extremist, cancerous attitude after such a length of time is pretty pathetic.

you say they're not making themselves look good but it's because they don't have to. they don't obsess over this cartoon literally 24/7 which has been documented unlike people like you.
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/barneyfag-x86x2-revved.10780/
link related.
>>668037
the literal retards who are dedicating their lives to shitposting and spamming are not the majority thankfully.

theory: if everybody acted like you there would be no content on 4chan as any thread would be immediately spammed to death by the extremist hate ridden cancer.

>>668022
/qa/ is really just full of people bitching about shit they don't like that is easily ignored by 99% of the other anons. Pay them no attention.

>>668040
>Rig
The majority outvoting the minority isn't rigged.
>The majority of posters want gr15 gone
But that's wrong
>Extremist, hate ridden
Stop acting like an oppressed minority over a cartoon, you look like an idiot.

>>668040
>rig
You mean voted for what they wanted. It's so funny that you change the meanings of words to suit you when you're on the losing end of the stick, you selfish prick.

This is archived immediately you know that right? People are going to see you acting a fucking retard in the ensuing screencaps like a selfish dipshit, putting your little banner butthurt over all of 4chan and its welfare and they're going to double down on you for being dipshits.

You're quick to call others butthurt over you idiots spamming ponies for ages and you're ass-ached over a fucking banner contest and are trying to preach your bullshit in a thread about the issues with moderation.

You selfish faggot.

>>668042
Kill yourself.

hiroyuki ## Admin 2016-09-14 09:16:05 Post No.668047
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>>668025
Could you prove that?
Mods can't tell whether it is true or you just don't like it.

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>>668028
I agree with your idea in general.
But communicating is not enough.
People think differently.
I think you guys have to communicate with each others to make borad own regulations.

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>>668043
> The majority outvoting the minority isn't rigged.
There is not a majority on 4chan that hates ponies. time and time again pony related threads that have literally went fine on other boards because a cancerous extremist wasn't around to shit it up, spam and destroy it shows this.

the majority literally do not care. it's just these legimiately autistic cancers from deviantart that won't fuck off that keep shitposting it.
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/barneyfag-x86x2-revved.10780/page-178
everybody literally wants to remove the rule, get over it and move on because it's a non issue that keeps getting pushed by people who can't control themselves at the sight of a cartoon pony.
don't tell other people they look like an idiot when you can't handle the sight of a cartoon pony without a mental breakdown.

>>668044
I'm pretty sure the majority of the /mlp/ board didn't want a badly drawn insult banner that has literally nothing from the content on it.
> you idiots spamming ponies
pic related. people have been caught spamming that shit over and over again. why would people who like something want to get it banned?
why would people screech and destroy threads so hard over it?

>>668047
https://www.4chan.org/banner-contest/mlp
top image is a badly created non-pony including insult at the users of the board commonly spammed in threads by this guy.
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/barneyfag-x86x2-revved.10780/
why would such a crudely made insulting and non-pony banner be at the top?

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>>668047
he also bragged about it recently and was immediately BANNED ON SIGHT because mods have given him so many chances, so many possibilities to stop spamming threads and giving people death threats that he is BANNED ON SIGHT.

>>668050
>There is not a majority that hates Ponies
There is global rule 15.
Prove your assertion.
>The majority don't care
The majority even on /qa/ want GR15 kept.
Even I as someone who thinks its silly to contain a cartoon, agree GR15 should remain if only to avoid the shitstorm its removal would create.
>The majority don't want it
But the majority voted it in.
>Why would this be at the top
That isn't proof of your supposed "vote rigging".

>>668062
That only proves someone finds it funny.
Not that said someone is who you claim.
Or even that said someone was responsible.

That whole bend to my will thing is trolling 101, someone just assuming the role to get yous.

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>>668063
global rule 15 happened because mods got sick of cleaning the crapped pants of the thread destroying mentally retarded who saw a pony.

if they actually wanted to get rid of it they would've done the same as /fur/ a long time ago.

Pic related, it's the extremist kind of people in this thread that keep trying to pull the curtains down over eyes.
>>668065
nobody would willfully be retarded and get banned 24/7.

>>668067
>GR15 happened because mods got sick
So it must have been a widespread enough issue. A majority.
>If they wanted to get rid
They made a containment board. An outright ban would have made it worse you idiot.
>Extremist
There's that persecution complex again.
>Nobody would act a troll persona
People pretending to be Jim Profit en masse disagree.

>>668049
Users have /qst/ have attempted to do so. There was a thread up on /tg/ a day ago where board users discussed ideas of improving /qst/ and hoped that the mods would see it.

However, it was deleted, which speaks for how much the mods care for the board. It can be found here: http://archived.moe/qst/thread/550352/#550352

>>668067
That image only proves how easy it is to troll you guys.

>>668069
are you implying barneyfag and similar are not extremists because that is stupid.
> So it must have been a widespread enough issue. A majority.

the problem is the mods didn't speak up or fix the problem. they just let it get worse and worse instead of just coming out publicly and telling him to fuck off so he ignores when he gets banned.

the real issue is six years later, the situation shows no sign of improving. there are still extremists shitposting using pony who won't stop because the mods don't care and when they do it's a ban evade, ala barneyfag dodging his bans on sight.
>>668073
literally devoting six years of your life to inconvenience people? you can literally do that with anyone or anything on 4chan if you shitposted it enough.

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>>668047
DON'T CHANGE ANYTHING!

4chan is perfect!

We love it! And we love you! Don't listen to these losers.

>>668049
There were attempts to communicate in the first thread on /tg/ where the mod decided upon /qst/'s existence and details. Most of the mod's posts were met with varieties of negative opinions. Several quick changes, involving thread OP's able to post more than one thread and allowing users to post images were quickly implemented improvements, but many of the following suggestions since have remained ignored.
It is here: http://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/46945911

It would be a ridiculous effort to sift through all of it, but the responses (I fee) are valid to the fact that Quests and questing in general has been more used to the anonymous imageboard of /tg/ where they began, rather than /qst/ which seems unfinished.

Various /qst/ improvement threads, where these potential ideas and suggestions for improving the board were discussed, have been deleted.
A helpful anon above me has posted a link to one of the discussion threads, where it would be easier to see peoples opinions.

>>668075
>Extremists
That's it, I'm not giving you any more yous.
All I'm seeing is an easily trolled guy with no sense of perspective.

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>>668079
you say easily trolled but people have dedicated six years of their life for this. meanwhile if somebody wanted to troll you or perhaps you wanted to manufacture drama around it

thread
pony.jpg
rage.jpg
rage.jpg
rage.jpg
etc until thread 404s

>>668081
>people have dedicated six years of their life for this
No, they haven't. That's the point. You are just easily trolled and assume its a vast elaborate conspiracy when its just random shitposters.

>>668084
if people didn't there wouldn't be a problem so that is kind of impossible. for example.
six days ago someone posted a pony on /co/.
>>>/co/86131246
Autistic people spammed the thread for roughly four days straight, every single post being removed. this is how to handle with spergs.

this isn't an isolated incidence either. this case is extremely common. even now Six years onwards ponies are still causing extreme thread ruining attempt level butthurt.

god bless that mod for purging the cancer.
also.

pony.jpg
rage.jpg
rage.jpg
etc

>>668085
All you're going is proving why GR15 should remain.
>The only reason people troll mlp is because they devoted six years of their lives to it
No, it isn't. Its because ypou guys are like fish INA barrel always taking the bait no matter how low quality. You attract shitposters by being so deeply invested in something so silly, lacking self awareness and generally acting like entitled little persecuted shits.

No one is getting rid of GR15
No one is overturning a democratic vote for your feelings
No one cares enough to devote their lives to troll you because you are literally meaningless.

>>668089
not persecuted but content got banned because of shitposters which is basically extremely rude to those being responsible as well as encouraging further cancerous activities. you say fish in a barrel but ignore the people that got caught being cancerous.
>>668081
and
pony.jpg
rage.jpg
rage.jpg
etc
and
>>>/co/86131246.
> Its because ypou guys are like fish INA
It's* you* In a* non capitalized. you're going into a frenzy there.
a frenzy at the implications of something you don't like and that is pathetic.

>>668092
>Typos mean a frenzy
Nope, big thumbs.
Go have a wank to a horse and calm down kid.

>>668093
not all in a row and accidental caps none of which you were able to spot and fix. now you're literally insulting other people to seem tough on the internet for example.

>>668049
A warning, if you let boards decide their own regulations, some might try to eliminate the concept of off-topic discussion.

It's unrealistic to expect several thousand posters to reach an agreement, and considering 4chan has millions of users, that agreement will only be representative of the minority that concerns itself with its governance and regulations.

That being said, you shouldn't be afraid to experiment, trial and error is the only way people can tell what they really want.

>>668094
Have you never used a device with autocorrect?
Do ypounreally assume I care enough to edit my posts for the sake of some persecuted Brony?

>>668047
If /mlp/ didn't like the banner, /mlp/ wouldn't have voted for it.

The banners itself are meant to represent the board and thus should be voted on by actual members of the board, not the entirety of 4chan who has access to a pass.

e.g.
/adv/ - A post on /b/ that says nothing about /adv/. Nobody goes to /adv/ to be told to kill themselves.
/ck/ - Why wasn't the tied winner the sweet sundae ramen one?
/diy/ - Literally just a noose. Who goes to /diy/ to learn how to tie a noose?
/hr/ and /w/ - The same joke about the banner size being unrelated to the board in general
/s4s/ - An Umaru-chan shitpost banner. The board doesn't even like anime. The board doesn't even shitpost like that.
/sci/ - This one was just terrible. An old calculator joke over a sine wave?

I was about to check /vp/ but apparently, the tied Sonichu banner got removed. The mods are clearly aware that some banners are shit and were voted by idiots.

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>>668097
> Do ypounreally
> ypoun
looks like you've got a pony in the throat.

>>668097
Well... dat typo.

>>668098
>The board members only argument
There's no way to prove you belong to a single board.
The vote passed.
Deal With It.

>>668047
>>668098
what this anon said. /vp/ had a similiar problem where a banner without pokemon on it got extremely highly voted.

if what anon says is true then the same be applied would be really nice and a non-troll /mlp/ related banner for /mlp/ with a pony on it would be nice as well.

>>668103
I'm guessing /VP/ has more users and isn't seen as a joke containment board.
You /mlp/ autismals just aren't important.

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>>668102
WHELL YA SEE HOW PAHONYTHROAT

WHEN A BANNER THAT:

1. DOESN'T ACTUALLY HAVE THE RELATED MEDIA ON IT

2. IS DRAWN IN MSPAINT COMPARED TO THE NICE ANIMATED BANNERS

3. IS THE CATCHPHRASE OF A RABID SHITPOSTER

4. INSULTS THE MEMBERS OF THAT BOARD

GET NOMINATED THERE MAAAAY BE A TEENY TINY BIT OF MANIPULATION OR TROLLING AFOOT BUT YER A SMART LAD
>>668104
> /VP/
who types like that seriously.
you gotta calm down ponythroat.

>>668105
You seem upset.
And you pretty much blew your best chance at overturning democracy for your feelings by failing to give hiro any proof.

> that guy saying it doesn't matter and it isn't important but is still in the thread which directly implies the opposite
what.

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>>668106
broke down the ideas and reasons that someone even not interested in ponies could see for it being a troll banner as well as samples of the trolls so it was a pretty big success in total on my end.

it's really up to Hiro if he wants to or not now.

>>668110
You were asked for proof.
You gave an opinion, an assertion.
English may not be his first language, but he isn't retarded.
You on the other hand, I'm not so sure.

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>>668049
>>668047
>>668024
>>668022
Cute!

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>>668113
here's your (you) for ignoring the evidence, explanations and reasonings in the thread then lashing out ironically.
>>668114
really cute. got any more Hiro-tan or what these are?

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>>668116

>>668116
>Evidence
There was none.
>Explanations
They were opinions
>Reasonings
You don't pluralise reasoning

You are retarded and deluded, you have my pity.

>>668118
thank you!

>>668024
Hiro /qa/ is a perfect example of mods not giving a shit about rules

>>647871

We've waited and reported this for over a month and did nothing, we went into the IRC and asked if they could removed the 30+ thread spam about GR15 and we got told to fuck off.

>>667685
Anon is probably a piece of shit hotpocket desperately trying to discredit the thread as a means of saving face.

>>667653
>Also 8gag isn't going anywhere. Jim Watkins, who owns 2ch which he stole from Hiro
Watkins didn't steal 2ch from Hiro. Where on earth did this meme come from?

>>668049
With each other? We do that all the time, but we never know if the mods are listening. If we could get a guarantee that a list of regulations we create would be implemented, there wouldn't be a problem.

They won't explain themselves, they won't work with other people who manage supporting functions like the archives to ensure smooth transitions, and they make sudden changes without allowing any time to prepare.

>>668134
On top of this mods where coming in /qa/, clearing the ban reports and leaving. it took some anon a day to sit there a bump the threads away because the mods dont want to apply to rules

>>668022
>>668024
Your friends in Japan are definitely much better than whoever we have now, no matter how anyone looks at it. And that is all we matters. Regulations mean nothing if the mods refuse to follow it.

>>668145
all that matters*

>>668049
>I think you guys have to communicate with each others to make borad own regulations.
The problem is that at the end of the day it isn't the people who enforce their own regulations, it's the moderators. 4chan has a lengthy history of its moderators using their positions for personal vendettas and both not upholding regulations and for abusing their power and banning users/deleting content based on personal offence, then using some arbitrary ruling on the ban report, often not even citing the offending posts.

On step towards bridging the communication divide would be making all bans public by means of having the post stamped with a link to the ban report, along with the establish rule it violated. This would remove a lot of the underhanded personal moderator abuse while providing the board community with a clear idea of what is to be expected.

A board coming together and agreeing on a set of regulations can be rendered moot by a single moderator in disagreement who is capable of deleting any related threads discussing the manner and going rouge with the ban hammer, which has happened a lot over the years.
There is no transparency between moderation and the userbase.

>>668050
>There is not a majority on 4chan that hates ponies
No, but almost everyone outside of /mlp/ does not want anything to do with horsefuckers.
You've done your fucking dash and every single time there has been some leeway, you fuckers ruin it for yourselves.

>>668049
>I think you guys have to communicate with each others to make borad own regulations.

But how does a community send that to the staff to tell them thats what they want

>>668149
Something that I very really miss in reports process is then we can no longer say WHY we are be reporting a post, merely that we are reporting it. So mods can only interpret what we are and why we are report a post.

Perhaps we need more checks and balances, if nothing else a tick box that confirms what exact rule being broken. Both Mods and users can be bound by this thing.

>>668150
> people who have no interest in something have no interest in something
huh you don't say. that somewhat makes sense if cut out the bias. I have no interest in a large majority of anime but I ignore it which you need to learn to do. also 4chan is about the content not the people of which some exploitation has occured.

>>668154
>Bronies dindu nuffin
>Its all fursecution

>>668153
>Both Mods and users can be bound by this thing.
Which is exactly why it will not likely be put back into effect in any manner.

>>668154
Fuck off horsefucker.
You will never be welcome here.
>I have no interest in a large majority of anime but I ignore it which you need to learn to do
No, you insufferable cunt. 4chan is fundamentally a website for anime, manga the related culture. If you do not have such an interest, you shouldn't fucking be here.

>>668153
There a was a good /qa/ thread ages ago with people redesigning what that report funcation does

Basically they added a type box

>>668157
there are plentiful boards that are not anime despite 4chan having roots in it. as mentioned just because I do not watch a lot of the anime I see doesn't mean I have an issue with it.

>>668158
So it is back now as it used to be?
This is good. I thanks you!

>>668160
I am sorry, I check and is not this.
It should have type box added, like it was a lot time ago this way.

>>668160
I never said it was implemented wwwwwwwwww

They where just spit balling

>>668159
How are you still salty about GR15 after all these years?
How autistic are you on a scale of Normie to Full Chris Chan?

>>668167
Is shame is not implemented.

>>668049
Hiro, quest players have been trying to communicate with mods on both /tg/ and /qst/ since it was created, but it would seem much of what they were saying has have been ignored. Many of the features of the new board are very problematic for everyone involved in the quest, and they fail to get a response whenever they bring these up.

The mods on /tg/ have not helped in the way they have been dealing with the issue, and within the last week seemed more interested in getting quest threads off their board than listening to anything their users were saying. The timing and nature of the announcement that quest threads were to be banned on /tg/ not only failed to address any of the concerns that had been repeatedly brought up by the quest crowd, but was delivered without any possibility of further discussion. Given the overwhelming consensus from the quest crowd is that /qst/ is a lackluster location to actually play quests, and lacks the community or size to generate and sustain new quests, the overall perception was that the mods on /tg/ were ignoring part of their board to cave in to what has been a highly vocal minority that have wanted quests gone from /tg/ for good.

As it stands, I can't see how quests will survive in the long run on /qst/, as the number of quest players has never been large enough to sustain an entire board. Many have lost a good chunk of their playerbase in their forced relocation to a new board and as things stand at present, I don't see how they could make that difference up in the long run.

In short, the move forcing quests off of /tg/ has left their survival in doubt, and the decision to do so was seemingly made in total ignorance of the discussion surrounding the creation of /qst/.

>>668022
>How you decide good mos or bad mods?
When they dont do their jobs

>>668177
It does everything /tg/ does, including dice rolls
Use game finder threads.

How is this hard for you questcucks?

hiroyuki ## Admin 2016-09-14 11:19:49 Post No.668184
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hiroyuki ## Admin 2016-09-14 11:19:49 Post No.668184 [Report]

>>668136
>but we never know if the mods are listening.

You don't make mods listen.
You make regulations.
I put them on a sticky thread.
That's it.

>>668182
>Use game finder threads.
Can't do that with the mod deleting any mention of quests and you people vindictively spamming out anything the mod misses.

>>668184
No, we make regulations, you make a sticky thread, nothing gets changed. This happens every damn time. You're the admin, make some fuckin' decisions already :^(

>>668184
wwwww

Should that be done on that board or /qa/? because mods will most likly will delete a thread which complains about them

hiroyuki ## Admin 2016-09-14 11:23:44 Post No.668190
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hiroyuki ## Admin 2016-09-14 11:23:44 Post No.668190 [Report]

>>668188
Why don't you try?
Maybe things gonna be all right.

>>668184
Thanks for coming Hiro.

>>668049
>>668047
Hiro, please, please go and undo the terrible idea that was /qst/.

People think differently, true. But SOME communication is needed. We have gotten nothing. Any attempts to contact this moderator has resulted in getting deleted and banned.

/qa/ threads that once had 50+ posts have been deleted because this particular moderator didn't like people calling out his stupid idea.

See: Questing is interactive storytelling, and /tg/ is the only board on 4chan where that was the norm for years. Ten years. To have it all undone because of a single person ruins the hobby of hundreds of people.

Please at least go and listen to us. We have no one else to listen except for you.

>>668187
>Can't use game finders to find games and players
Bullshit
That's what game finders are for.

>>668195
Tell that to the mod who banned quests and the rabid haters who spam any mention of them.

>>668190
Sure, I made one for best board
>>>/s4s/4762850

>>668184
We can't make regulations like "The creator of the thread can delete it" or "120 hour autosage", and we can't schedule things like "quests cannot run on /tg/ anymore".

These are automatically or mod enforced, and we have no control over implementing them.

We cannot show confirmation that /qst/ has shed its Trial Board status, nor is feedback accepted as to the current situation.

>>668196
Have you even tried using the game finder general thread or are you assuming?

>>668200
I don't run a quest, but I've already seen plenty of mentions bitched at and then deleted.

>>668190
>Why don't you try?
Because it's the mods and you who choose to make a board NSFW or not.

/qst/'s initial feedback and creation thread was FILLED with people asking why all erotic content was blanket banned for no reason, and yet they didn't get a response at all. Why? Erotic Quests, even general NSFW quests have been absurdly popular since the invention of the quest on 4chan.

So why? We don't know. We weren't told anything. And the 1% of feedback we were conceded was BASIC FUCKING COMMON SENSE which the Moderator clearly didn't have, like allowing anyone but the OP to post IMAGES, on an IMAGE BOARD.

>>668202
In the game finder thread?
If yes, post links or pics. That is an issue that the sticky should mention.
Just because the body of the quest isn't /tg/ anymore, its still a game online and so game finder should be OK for it.

>>668184
No, we propose regulations, the mods ignore what we are saying, and either nothing happens or the exact opposite of what we were asking for happens.

That's accurately describes everything about the creation of /qst/, and the treatment of quests on /tg/.

>>668203
>like allowing anyone but the OP to post IMAGES, on an IMAGE BOARD.
oh god, I remember that. Still absurdly funny how they thought restricting image posting was a good idea.

>>668184
What we're saying is that the mods are the ones not cooperating. We are doing everything we can but the mods are not responding good.

>>668190
Hiro, it doesn't matter a damn how hard we try when the mods simply ignore us and start removing threads discussing changes we'd like to see.

>>668049
>>668022
こんにちは

このところ/tg/+/qst/の小さなコミュニティーに関してあまりにもポリシーがきちんと設置されていません。
この変更はコミュニティーからの何のフィードバックもなしになされ、また/tg/に参加している多くの人々がウェブサイトから外され、追い出されてしまう結果になってしまいました。この変更についてあなたのスタッフから何の返事もありません。この事は私やコミュニティーの他の多くの皆さんにとって、私達の趣味の将来に対して大変なストレスとなっています。/tg/の将来について詳しく話し合いたいと思っています。

検討して頂けることに感謝します。

>>668190
I'm sorry Hiro but what decisions can we make at this point? Every thread we make about it, the mods delete. Then we get banned.

/qst/ was an awful decision that nobody wanted.

If you want more information about this, please, please go to /qst/ and make a thread asking if anyone ever wanted that board. The community will tell you their true thoughts if they are not busy being banned.

>>668190
Made one in /jp/. Hoping this helps.
>>>/jp/15836086

I hope I don't get banned for this.

>>668182
ooooh! Look at all these amazing features!
Do they work properly?
No?
Who cares they're so many!

>>668184
ポニー封じ込めボードのための民主的投票バナーが残っていることを確認してください。あなたは、プロセスを逆に泣いて単一のユーザの意志に提出する場合は、民主主義自体を弱体化させます。ほかに。それはおかしいです。

Also
>>668184
The problem lies more with the moderators than with the regulations. At best, they ignore the regulations. At worst, they outright go against them. And there's nothing we can do about it because we get banned if we talk about it.

>>668190
See >>668210
You can't have a conversation if the one person in charge of the final decision refuses to even acknowledge the fact that you're talking. At a certain point it got so disheartening that many of us flat-out gave up.

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>>668212
/jp/ thread got deleted

>>668212
That was quite short lived.

>>668221
>>668222
Looks like Hiro has to make the thread there himself.

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>>668221
>>668222
>4chan complains about moderation to Hiro
>Hiro tells us to talk it out
>Moderators delete the thread
I love it when morons go out of their way to prove me right.

Was going to post this on the /jp/ thread

Remove generals that could easily go on other boards

Monster Girls ---> /d/
JAV ---> /hc/, /gif/
Gravure ---> /s/

Make sage visible again and encourage people to use it. If someone makes an empty post without sageing it gets deleted.

I'm not fond of the idol generals but I don't see where else they could go.

>>668212
Would it be possible to bring back the hiki threads on /jp/?

>>668231
I don't think you listed anywhere near enough generals. Best to list all the generals, or at least as many as possible.

>>668234
Meant for >>668230, sorry.

>>668234
When I get into my computer and can type longer posts I'll make a more exhaustive list

>>668225
Both the mod and janitor on /jp/ need to be removed asap.

>>668190
hey hiro, can you fire all the mods and restart from rescratch again? hire new mods from nippon or maybe from this website but not openly. In the meanwhile, to prevent cheesepizza posting, make it so that anything getting 20 reoports as illegal gets deleted. Other offtopic shitposting can be handled by the community without any mods.
If you don't believe, you can try out a modfree week on 4chan

>>668024
>some people say

It doesn't matter what people say, there will be always conflicting opinions on any decisions made, the only opinion that matteres is yours as the owner of the website, you're the one that should decide what you want this place to be and there is no reason to cave in to any person.

It's preferable to have satisfied users, but trying to please people will merely result in a permanent gridlock, where nothing ever changes, so you're the one that should make a strong stance eventually and start moving things according to your will.

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>>668215
>democracy
>4chan

>>668238
t. "good old days" poster
https://warosu.org/jp/thread/15836136

>>668242
t. /jp/ mod/janitor

>>668239
>Self moderation
That will be massively open to abuse, you must realise that.
>>668241
In as much as there was a vote being passed?
Yes.

>>668243
*shits the bed*

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>mods only delete /jp/ threads quickly when they directly insult them

I don't think /qst/ was inherently a mistake. It worked just fine as an "extra space" board. Making it a containment board and removing quests from everywhere else was a mistake, though.

>>668190
can we get a janny for /qa/

>>668212
4chan moderation at its finest everybody!

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>>668251
>post yfw He deletes this thread

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>>668047
>Could you prove that?
I'm afraid getting proof to back such an assertion would be difficult, if not downright impossible.
At most, I can only regurgitate events:

One person made four "anti-/mlp/" banners, as shown in >>655907. I realise this isn't against the rules to post multiple banners as I made two banners myself.
To counter-act the anti-/mlp/ banners, the /mlp/ banner thread tried to organise themselves >>>/mlp/28343816 and collectively vote for one banner (although, looking through the thread again, it wasn't as cohesive an organisation as I remembered).
The anti-/mlp/ banners made first, second, fourth and twenty-second whilst the banner the board banded about made third.
Butthurt was had from >>>/mlp/28389582 onwards to the current thread >>>/mlp/28404388.

To give the whole thing a post-mortem, I'd say /mlp/ didn't organise effectively and passholders that don't like /mlp/ (or ponyfags who like "irony") voted for the anti-/mlp/ banners, either by spontaneity or organisation, and outnumbered the /mlp/ passholders who did organise.

In short, as much as I don't to admit it, I don't think any Anon can give any proof and my opinion is that no rule was broken.
There's just a lot of hearsay and butthurt.

Last shot at persuasion, is it possible that you or someone on the moderation team could reconsider?
There was a pony /sp/ banner that /mlp/ (in all our hypocrisy) were planning to dogpile >>>/mlp/28398771. The banner was approved long before any butthurt or scheming by /mlp/ but was removed anyway.
Is it possible to remove the anti-/mlp/ banners for similar reasons, even after the vote?

Kind regards and sorry for the long post,
Butthurt

P.S: I deliberately didn't mention Barneyfag as I have my doubts on whether he's involved or if it's someone just as bizarre.

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>>668184
We had one of these for /qst/.

It had several thousand posts.

The mods listened to complaints for about 50 of them and made some minor changes to the board.


Your process doesn't work when the moderation team has no interest in implementing what the users want.
This is worsened by the total lack of communication with the moderators. I don't care how you think moderation should work - you're wrong.
There needs to be some level of communication.
A board getting created with literally no warning or discussion beforehand is awful practice.
People being forced onto that board, again with no warning or discussion beforehand, months after the board's creation, with the mods saying absolutely fucking nothing about the place over those months, is absolutely awful practice.

>>668261
We had another one


It got deleted

>>668255
>More people voted for the other banner I dislike.
Is that the tldr?

>>668255
> I deliberately didn't mention Barneyfag as I have my doubts on whether he's involved
you seen how many death threats he spits out and how much time he's devoted to spamming threads?

no way he missed out on this. the real question if how many passes were bought.
>>668264
not so much as dislike as little to no connection to the board or board users in content as well as being ugly.

>>668265
The one that says its a board for people who jerk off to a cartoon?
Can you honestly look at /mlp/ on an average day and say the majority of its content isn't sexualized?
Be honest.

>>668267
that's not the point ignoring all of the entertaining threads that occasionally pop up, it's that the banner doesn't showcase why people love it or neither is it pretty.
it doesn't show the music, the orchestral scores, the characters, the setting, the gallons of actual pretty fanart such as even the landscapes painted.

it basically misses everything wonderful and why people enjoy it in spite of a poorly done joke that looks like it took two minutes in a stock text program and that's really saddening. comparing it to the derpy one really shows the parallels.

>Hey Hiromoot, the mods are being dumbfucks again.
>Have you tried talking to them?
>Numerous times. We just get ignored, deleted, or banned.
>Something something you make the regulations something communication something something
>But... we JUST tried that. The thread got deleted.
>*Japanese cricket noises*
Someone get a line through to Mexico, I want mootykins back.

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>>668270

>>668270
> *Japanese cricket noises*
CHEEERUUPERU, CHEEEERUUPERU!

>>668270
>mootykins
He isn't any better. This isn't the old moot you knew.

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>>668022
>>668024
We need some way to complain about mods effectively.

Often, people are banned without even breaking the rules.

>>668190
Please delete /qst/ or at the very least get the Mod to engage with the community

>>668269
So you chose to ignore the question rather than honestly answer it.

Because even a single glance at the /mlp/ front page doesn't remotely match this idealised fantasy you have of the people there.

The banner may not represent your autistic praise of a cartoon, but it matches the board users on /mlp/ perfectly.

Maybe its time to be honest about the board you are defending.

>>668270
Quick, someone get some soup and tea to lure him out of hiding.

>>668276
There's an experiment in progress: a thread was bumped to the top of the catalog about a minute and a half before the timed permasage kicked in. That was eighteen hours ago. It's on page 4. That's about the absolute limit of /qst/'s ability to generate content, even after many of the /tg/ holdouts moved over. In a full day, we won't be able to start or bump enough threads to fill four full pages in the catalog.

And most of those threads are either being necro'd or move at such a glacial pace that they couldn't survive on /tg/.

>>668273
Arnt those cissards or what ever

>>668278
> chose to ignore the question
> acknowledged it with that's not the point then provided an alternative view
amongst the shit there are actual threads discussing it but you're ignoring that not to mention the new ep threads. other then that the board has more then enough space to the point it spreads out for people's niches.

you're too pessimistic and trying to justify a poorly done banner that echos the raving lunatics of an insane man. in case you don't know the quote on that banner is a common barneyfag saying.

stop looking at the turd and look at the plant that grows in it. I know this is hard considering the mental illness and inability to ignore things but it's worth a try asking anyway.

>>668283
Which thread?

>>668286
>You don't like my cartoon
>So you're mentally ill
This is why you aren't taken seriously.
On the off chance ypou can be honest with yourself once in your life, answer.
Is the majority of /mlp/ content sexualized?
Yes or No
If you refuse to answer, there's no point treating you like someone to be acknowledged.

>>668292
>talking to pony fuckers
Stop pretending these people can be talked to

>>668292
if you have to strawman something then you need to put the keyboard down and calm down.
> ypou
once again you're focusing on the fertilizer and not the plant. probably intentional given the haters that this show unfortunately has.
>>668294
> talking to people who watch my little pony
a step higher then people who have mental meltdowns at the sight of them. barneyfag and faglets that share his ideals aren't taken seriously for a reason.

>>668294
That's just it, some of them can be. I've known a few IRL who are perfectly reasonable normal people who just watch a cartoon. Mind you, its pretty obvious there is maybe one Horsefucker on /qa/ in total. He's just very vocal.

>>668297
I don't see an answer.
Is the majority of content on /mlp/ sexualized?
YES or NO?

>>668298
would giving a board to a show about six young adult girls with next to no moderation result in anything else and apply to any other show?

but don't worry about that little old thing we call logic. you'll completely ignore it I guarantee it. pigeon and chessboard.
completely ignore the actual show discussion threads on the board too.

you've fallen so much to shed your humanity and quality to support a MS paint drawn banner out of rage born of retardation. this is especially ironic considering the confirmation of watching power puff girls.

just because you can doesn't mean you should.

>>668301
>>668299
boop mislink.
here comes the manure examination. these apple trees are pretty nice though.

>>668301
I'm sorry, what?
Do you think you could word your post to something closer to English and arrange your stream of consciousness into a more coherent line of reasoning?

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>>668264
>Is that the tldr?
More people voted for the banner people dislike.
There's more people than just me annoyed.
It's roughly a quarter of all votes on the first, second and fourth banners, out of a total of sixty.
Of course, I understand that voting is the foundation of democracy but there's this concept I don't know how to properly put into words that infuriates me about all this.

>>668265
>you seen how many death threats he spits out
Actually, no.

>how much time he's devoted to spamming threads?
Yes. I even screencapped it >>>/mlp/28395873.
Consider my comments and opinions then as... "somewhere in the stages of loss".

>>668267
>Can you honestly look at /mlp/ on an average day and say the majority of its content isn't sexualized?
>Be honest.
Although it makes up a significant portion, I'd say the majority is not sexualised.
It is mostly hot garbage, though.

>>668022
When the mods don't do their jobs. That is a bad mod. See /g/ for example

>>668304
if you can't comprehend the English language you can always go back.

>>668024
Hiro, we have proven time and time again mods don't give a shit about the rules. They will constantly backstab you whenever they can. You need to take control.

>>668302
See >>668304
And maybe answer the question >>668299
Because last I checked, the majority of the front page on /mlp/ is sexualized. Anything from effectively paedophillia to lesbian anthro.
The least you could do is be honest.

>>>/pol/88807580

Hopyfully /pol/ can stop flinging shit for a second to see how shit its gotten

>>668305
Its called the realisation you are powerless anon.
Regardless of how the numbers break down, more people votes on the banner you dislike than any other.

>>668310
>inb4 thread deleted

>>668309
It looks like Anon answered in >>668305

>>668309
>>668312
so how does completely ignoring actual show discussion and pretending a person didn't give you an answer justify a banner that looks like shit and isn't wanted by the actual denizens of that board?

> democr-
raid / abnormal voting instance that requires mod intervention. also if people were actually powerless there wouldn't be dedicated hate extremists plaguing this thread or submitting troll banners in the first place.

>>668049
What the fuck does that mean? The mods have no accountability Hiro, and they ban people for criticizimg them on other boards.

You need to take control and kick them out.

>>668313
no ones responding ;-; and it seems this thread about the 8 get >>>/pol/88802370 stays up

I just want a politics board back

>>668145
Seriously this. Hiro better get back in here and not bail again

>>668315
More than 60% of the content is sexualized. Bestiality. Pedophilic Bestiality. Lesbian Anthro which isn't even allowed in the site.

The banner represents your board, autismal. More people voted for it than any other banner.

Its time to be an adult and accept it. It barely even affects you.

>>668190
Because the mods overrule us. They don't care what we think and abuse the fuck out of their powers. Hiro, FIRE. THE. MODS

>>668319
Too late. He's gone, dude.

>>668190
Well we've tried. Mods just ended up deleting them and banning people for breaking Global Rule 8. So yeah they won't listen

>>668324
look behind you.

>>668320
40% of a board is show discussion? show discussion is harder to make then porn threads.

The banner is an ugly insane ravings of a man upset by my little pony that will only further encourage his legimiate mental illness but the sad part is you'll never once go "this is retarded" and see why the dozens of explanations of why people like it and why it become such a hit exist instead only being a literal retarded zombie forever.

fuck off retard. you're willing to accept a shit banner just out of sheer butthurt and that is really disappointing even to other people. you're basically lowering your standards and succumbing to retardation which makes you almost no better then the barneyfag.

of course I'll accept it if it isn't fixed due to no other option. I'm not going to scream, cry and bitch at it for two years destroying threads until it's banned and that is something that you could learn sadly.

>>668329
tha'ts きのう meme

>>668332
You have been screaming about it for days now.
Even the thread on /mlp/ doesn't seem to agree with you on this.
And no, the other 40% is sheer autismal fan content. I see one thread. Literally one, for show discussion. Everything else is either sexualized, semi sexualized, autistic beyond redemption or cringe.

And you have a banner now.

Deal with it.

>>668336
this is the first thread I've posted in actually.

hate is not liking something.
here's the thing. you can't "casually" hate something and post about it. you either dislike it and move on or you go full retard apparently.

You sure tell others to deal with it a lot for someone who can't deal with miniature ponies without having a mental breakdown. like I said the banner isn't the issue but that the banner is trash but you've discarded the remains of sensibility, standards and not being a retard out of hate despite the solution of not being a retard staring you in the face.

and that is why you will always be weaker. you succumbed to hate and butthurt in a world full of wonder and happiness and I will always cherish this fact. nothing you say will ever have impact for as long as you are a mentally retarded person who cannot control himself but you'll never figure that out sadly only marching on to shit on a TV show and even anyone who casually watches it.

welcome to 4chan Lad.

>>668340
>this is the first thread I've posted in actually.
You can lie to me, but you can't lie to yourself.

>The rest
Autism Speaks and I forgot my ball gag.

>>668269
Holy shit, this fucking post.

Your cartoon is a piece of flash animated shit whose idea of character design is sticking different hair styles in a pre-made template. That fucking North Korean cartoon with the squirrels has more artistic merit than it.

>>668343
Hedgehog and Squirrel is hand drawn.
And it promotes Best Korea.
There's no contest.

>>668342
whatever you say downsanon. multiple people can't like the same show apparently. welcome to 4chan lad. everyone is anonymous.
>>668343
it has many character bodies actually. flash also enables easy 1080p scaling and constant FPS as well as cuts down the amount of work needed by a good half. if the show was actually bad it would not have received praise from a chunk of /co/ and the nostalga critic.

technically humans all use a same template but it's what makes them that counts. actual autistic people cannot process emotions though.
>>668344
didn't /co/ literally just make porn of it because of the language barrier

>>668344
First episodes are hand drawn, but in the later ones they switched to digital animation and CG.

I made that post in a facetious manner but Squirrel and Hedgehog has pretty decent production values. The lip syncing sucks though

>>668348
That's due to the east versus west divide on dubbing.

The west tends to make cartoons around the voices.

The east tends to make the cartoon first then dub over it in post.

The later digital ones look like a hybrid of digital and hand drawn to me. Mind you, low quality videos.

>>668347
>Humans use the same template
>It cuts down on work and that's a good thing
>in ironically uses Nostalgia Critic as an appeal to authority
Wow, you are superbly spergy.

>>668352
>unironically
There, a correction before you use it to ignore my point.

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>>668024
>>668190
You've got to remember people just love to be contrarian here, so whilst 80% might be shitting on their boards moderation, 20% will just oppose them for no other reason so as to start shit. That 20% probably doesn't even browse the board in question, but just troll anyway because this place is a bit of a dump.

Rulefags are killing this site. Remember when you said about /a/, that even if there's something breaking the rules, but the users are happy with it and don't mind, then you don't see a problem? I like that mentality, it's a good one.

The problem is, the moderation team doesn't understand this whatsoever and instead actively delete threads that anons are having fun with and they seem intent on wanting to destroy board culture. They serve out bans for really petty things and it sometimes feels like they've got their own agenda. It was never this way before, but now it feels like a lot of janitors haven't even been browsing 4chan for long, but feel they're in the right to decide the direction it should take.

This is partly because of the way janitors are appointed. If you think about it, who are the type of people to apply to monitoring a board for hours on end for no monetary compensation? It's certainly not the people who browse and enjoy the board like a regular user, because that takes all the fun out of posting for them. It's people who want to feel a sense of power, maybe even some feeling of importance and because you're unfortunately not around much, they seem to get away with doing whatever they please.

>>668028
That's funny, that's exactly what questfags did to me when I asked them why there were quest threads on /tg/ when /qst/ exists. They called me a troll and my post was deleted by a mod. No explanation, no thought, just pure defensive shittery.

And that's all this is. You're a bunch of hypersensitive, entitled cunts whining because you have an entire board dedicated to your shit and coming up with wild ideas that you're being sabotaged and that the mods have it in for you and quest thread culture. I'm glad your narcissistic, bloated, self indulgent threads got relegated somewhere so I won't have to sift through them to find interesting threads on /tg/.

>>668357
>so whilst 80% might be shitting on their boards moderation, 20% will just oppose them for no other reason so as to start shit
>Rulefags are killing this site
>>the moderation team doesn't understand this whatsoever and instead actively delete threads that anons are having fun with

Where do you people get this shit? This is exactly the opposite of how 4chan is. mods delete shitposting threads, not quality threads. You are the one who sounds like a rulefag. It sounds like you only want to enforce the rules you personally agree with though.

>>668357
>Rulefags
Theres got to be some rules tho or everything will just be /b/ with a slight srpinle of the board title

What you think is "fun" isnt always the case, just look at s4s

>>668366
See, the thing is that you people have been lying for so long that I wouldn't believe you if you said the sky was blue.
Y'know, things like "quests are over half the board!" "Quests are just fanfiction!" "I represent everyone on /tg/ and we all actively hate quests!"

Reasonable answers have been given to every accusation you make, but it never works.
Of course people call you a troll. You have aligned yourself with people who act like trolls.

>>668371
>Everyone who gets upset is a troll
Maybe they are just legitimately annoyed by something you aren't anooyed by. That's possible, y'know?

>>668047
>>>668043
he's back?

>>668373
Sorry, but if you consistently use hyperbole, lies, and dismiss every opposing argument out of hand, you're acting like a troll. And that's exactly what anti-questfags do.

When shown statistics and screencaps of board space, they jump to saying that quests are just fanfics with no relation to /tg/. When shown quests that use detailed RPG systems, they either claim that they "aren't the same as RPGs" without explaining, or use a dumb argument that some quests being anime based means they can't be /tg/. When told about the myriad of /tg/ games that are weeb as fuck, they double down on one of their older arguments.
There's a consistent pattern. It's not always in that order, but it always comes out the same in the end.

And that's very, very trollish.

>>668374
>Two separate posters
>One is Hiro
>"Is HE back?"
He Who?

>>668376
>>668374
By god if that were Hiro I would paypal him half my trust fund.

>>668375
>People get upset by different things to you
>That's a hyperbolic lie
OK lad, whatever you say.

>>668379
>People claim that something they don't like is literally over half the board when it's 1/10th at the very most
>That's not a hyperbolic lie

>>668380
Where did I claim that?
Or is everyone who disagrees with you the same person...?

>>668379
You would be slightly less full of shit if anti quest fags haven't failed to bring any evidence at all to back up their claims, even once.

>>668384
My first post on this topic was this.
>>668373
I'm really not taking sides, just saying it may not be this conspiracy you seem to envision is all. Like now, I'm not an enemy. I'm just saying folk get upset by different things. That's it.

Do I need evidence that peoples tastes differ...?

>>668190

Hiroyuki, "getting together and deciding things" does not work when no changes actually occur and you don't provide the means for said changes. If you just say "decide together" and leave for months at a time, nothing happens except for the retarded masses of this site screaming like retards. The East and West are different - you have to set up something organized, get someone trusted who knows what's actually best for our culture, and actually do things - we can't do shit, we don't do shit, and we aren't ALLOWED to do shit, even if you tell us to.

>>668386
You're doing a pisspoor job of not taking sides.

Anti-questfags are predictable as fuck. You could look into any metathread made in the past two years and see the same hyperbolic shit and the same cited counter-arguments.

Actually counting the archives shows that quests are a small part of the board.
Actually looking at quests shows successful write-in responses, detailed mechanics, and things that aren't anime based (Not that the last one really matters, since there's so much else on /tg/ that is anime based).
But they'll never do that, because they never had any good arguments and don't want to lose their shitty ones.

It's too late, he's already gone. It's probably midnight in Japland.

We tried.

ジャアアアアアアアップ

>>668399
>I'm not your enemy
>YES YOU ARE, YOU ARE MY ENEMY REEEEEEE
OK lad, I'm just going to write a Limerick. Feel free to pretend its whatever argument you want it to be. It kinda feels like it doesn't matter what I say, you're just itching for a fight and don't really care who what or why.

There was was a man from /qa/
Who'd rage and rage every day,
The folks on the board all simply abhorred
The way he'd randomly pick fights like a dumb cunt.

Yeah, it needs work.

>>668401
An attempt was made.

>>668401
Wonder if we could somehow trick him into handing 4chan over to Jim Watkins somehow....

He couldn't do a much worse job as an admin than this.

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>>668367
>you only want to enforce the rules you personally agree with
Let's not make up shit, I don't even talk about enforcing any rules in that post, just how the janitors are going about it.


Look, I've been banned for just making a Banner thread on /sp/. Sit there and tell me that's a job well done. Someone probably will anyway, because it's apparently wrong to try and draw interest to a site wide competition.

>>668368
I don't disagree, I mean these strict rulefags. The thing is, the rules have always been there prior as a guideline. If you looked at them a few years ago, you'd honestly laugh because they weren't reflective of 4chan. They were very loosely applied, but when there was obvious shite they were. People didn't have as much of an issue prior, so you can't really say it's not a problem and things are fine because there's clearly an abundance of unhappy users. /sp/ is basically full of them, even if they don't all come to /qa/ about it. I honestly find it baffling people vehemently defend the janitors these days.

Anyway I digress, my point about the rules was just more to what Hiro said. If users of the board are happy with content that technically break the rules, he literally said he deemed it as fine, but that's not what we're seeing. Minor things get deleted because of a far too literal approach to the rules, which is never what they've been there for in the first place.

>>668404
See this?
>YES YOU ARE, YOU ARE MY ENEMY REEEEEEE
This is you doing a pisspoor job of not taking sides.

>>668399
Anyone who complains about quests on /tg/ should take a look at /asp/.

>>668404
limericks have five lines you LOSER

Dammit Hiro was here and I missed him.

>>668386
>>668404
Your first post before starting a chain was calling anyone who participated in quests a bunch of self entitled, narcissistic cunts, you have very clearly displayed your colors as an antiquestfag shitposter.

>>668408
>>668404
guys
guys

you're literally arguing for zero real reasons and will receive no tangible benefit for "success" in either way
i mean if its fun to be snarky at each other for the next howevermuch longer go ahead, but yeah

>>668408
I'm mocking YOU
Not your side
Learn the difference.
>>668410
I said it needed work ;)

>>668409
Anyone who complains about drunkards vomiting on their doorstep should tour Delhi

>>668320
>More than 60% of the content is sexualized
God damn it, man, I'm now doing a tally of sexualised vs not-sexualised threads.
Currently on page 6 and have: 32 sexualised; 50 not-sexualised.
I was even being lenient on my definition of "sexualised" to include a single mention mention of butts.

>>668412
>Your first post was this one
But it wasn't.

>>668415
And there's the emoticon, and the blatant goal-posting. Your shitposting isn't as good as you think it is.

What about a random board where all the rules are enforced? Sort of like an anti-/b/?

>>668420
OK.
I appreciate the feedback on my participation in an argument you have invented a stance for me to take.

>>668419
If you do not consider >>668366 to be shitposting, well, fuck man, you must have been dropped on your head as a kid or something.

>>668424
Sure, that's shitposting.
But lad, I didn't post that.

>>668426
That's exactly the post you would write if you had posted that!

Please don't bully hiro
He just needs a hug

>>668428
Why?
If I believed in a post, I'd stand by it.
Right now I'm just bewildered that making an off hand comment made me part of Der Evil AntiQwestunHunds.

>>668431
He needs a smack upside the head

>>668437
pls

Hugs for Hiro. Donat w/4chan pass todai.

hiroyuki ## Admin 2016-09-14 14:44:40 Post No.668446
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>>668194
please make regulations.

>>668433
Only like eight people on 4chan used /tg/ and didn't actively participate in quest threads. Half of them became moderators just to ruin my life, are you one of them?

>>668446
Quests are allowed on /tg/.

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hiroyuki ## Admin 2016-09-14 14:46:27 Post No.668450 [Report]

>>668210
>Every thread we make about it, the mods delete.
Could you make one?
I'll watch.

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>>668446
very good

>>668446
ban everyone who uses puncuation because they are all losers lmao

>>668446
Here's the big thing:

Allow quests on boards other than /qst/.
The questing community is too small to sustain its own board. At most, it's a few hundred people and most of them are restricted to their own quests, rarely interacting with other playerbases.

>>668446
I think what he's saying is, we can't.

We try to discuss these things but threads get deleted when we try see >>668212
>>668221
Less than 10 minutes before a mod deletes the discussion.

We don't have the power to self moderate.

>>668446
>please make regulations.

What do you mean?
We can't make any regulations, we're lowly powerless users. The mod ignores any criticism and doesn't actually do what is asked by an overwhelming number of people, which is the end of the terrible /qst/ experiment.

>>668450
/tg/ here, we just had a thread about generals pruned out of nowhere because we talked about quests too much. The mods are actively shutting down discussion they don't want right now.

>>668446
We should let quests be on other boards.
It worked out for the few months when /qst/ was first opened. It's only become a problem now that quests are forced into it. The board can work, just not as a containment board.

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>>668450
I made the last thread here
>>668212

I think it's better if you make it instead.

>>668448
Man, you sound paranoid.

>>668450
We already did >>668455
See the links, less than ten minutes.

>>668461
thanks JIDF

I am 12 years old and what is this

>>668450
It might be an idea for you to make it. Mods will delete anybody elses.

>>668450
>>>/qst/570135

We'll see how this one goes. Maybe the mods won't delete it now that you're around.

>>668469
>>668460
It's no surpise why these threads are being deleted.
mods don't allow meta threads on any board except /qa/.

>>668450
Done
>>>/jp/15836573

>>668446
>>>/pol/88807580

Pol doesn't want to talk about why its shit, what am i suppose to do

>>668470
We have Hiro here literally telling us to do this.
Mods are going beyond their stations.

>>668446
How about the Mods don't get to set up new boards and force users to post there without your permission?

>>668474
Hiro probably isn't aware of that though. He has no idea /qa/ is the only board mods allow meta threads on.

>>668477
He should be the one setting the rules, not the mods. They are his subordinates.

>>668478
Well my point is that he's sitting there wondering why mods would delete those threads when mods have always deleted meta threads on other boards. It isn't like you people are going to tell him that and he obviously doesn't have time to lurk moar and find out for himself.

>>668480
Are you implying he has no communication with his staff?
That seems unlikely. But crazy if true.

>>668484
PRAISE KEK XD!

>>668481
Do you think he often gets on the mod IRC? I sure don't. It seems pretty obvious this place is on cruise control.

>>668484
>waa i dont like it stop it :(

>>668472
It's because CTR, Reddit and other shitposters don't want change.

>>668484
Oh look a mod.

>>668488
Thats not the only means of communication he could have with them.

>>668450
Hiro, the mods do not want us to talk about this shit at all. They are actively deleting the threads. I don't know how else to explain this to you. You have to get rid of these mods, or put a fucking leash around them and let them know WE
the users will dictate their regulations, not them.

They do not want to give up on their power. In fact I can show you exactly what the mods think about us. There are leaked IRC logs detailing exactly what they do. Now I'm not sure how good your English is, but If youre up to reading it I'll send it to you via Twitter

>>668371
I'm not lying. Quests were at most twenty threads at a time. Not enough to be a problem, not enough to fill a board. The creation of /qst/ is questionable [spoiler]ha ha[/spoiler] but the reaction of whining and crying and treating anyone who has questions like they're part of a vast conspiracy to keep you down is borderline retarded.

Literally all I asked was "Do quest threads go to /qst/? " This was before the sticky was put up saying they were, and only the sticky announcing its creation was up. I wasn't given answers. You deserve whatever lot you get.

>>668494
Yep, confirmed mod.

>>668446
All anime threads on /vp/ should be moved to /a/.

>>668446
Hiro we are trying. The mods once again are silencing us. I have an idea; you let us write something on your behalf dictating what they're doing wrong, gather all of them to the IRC, and lay down the law. Any dissidents must be fired.

>>668499
http://archive.4plebs.org/tg/search/text/%2Fqst%2F/deleted/deleted/
Just roll it back a bit to before the latest sticky, then imagine that similar things were happening for years before it. This is why you were told to fuck off. If you post like them, you'll be treated like them. Hazards of anonymity.

>>668484
Yeah fuck off mod. We're making the regulations now. You're our bitches now

4chan is ネトウヨ
>4chan is ネトウヨ
4chan is ネトウヨ
>4chan is ネトウヨ
4chan is ネトウヨ
>4chan is ネトウヨ
4chan is ネトウヨ
>4chan is ネトウヨ
4chan is ネトウヨ
>4chan is ネトウヨ

>>668506
But I didn't post like them. I just asked if quest threads go to /qst/.

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>>668509
me in the pic

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>>668320
>>668418
>More than 60% of the content is sexualized
Final tally of the catalog 130 minutes ago: 58 sexualised; 92 not-sexualised.
"Sexualised" includes mentions of lewd in the thread.
Percentages: 38.7% against 61.3%.
Why did I waste two hours of my life counting threads just to show that you're pulling statistics out of your arse.

>>668509
What?

>>668511
>isn't broken
Mods actually believe this.

>>668510
Too many people ask questions like that and then reply to any responses they get with loaded statements and even more loaded follow up questions.
"Do quests go to /qst/" is followed up with "But why not, they're just fanfiction they don't belong on /tg/" more often than not.

>>668511
t. Mod

Or should I say t. Swaglord

Face it. We're sick of you destroying this site, having a circlejerk in your IRC room and fucking with us because it amuses you. You, RapeApe, Troid, and the lot of you need to either be on a tight ass leash, or you get shown the door. Simple as that.

>>668511
>Why fix something that isn't broken?
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>>668512
What's this?

>>668513
Don't ask me, mine was based just on page one you autistic clown.

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>>668514
>>668512
>>668509

>>668446
And also Hiro, we are not letting this go away. This is a problem that MUST be fixed. No more boards until the mod problem is solved

>>667573
T. Shitposting faggot
/o/ has been utterly destroyed by 3 autists and moderators do NOTHING. we have literally been forced to make our own imageboard to have moderation.

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and funnily enough, a quick rangeban from thr new site ACTUALLY WORKED. IT STOPPED THEM. HOW FUCKING INCOMPETENT ARE THE MODS HERE THAG THEY CAN'T FIGURE OUT A LIFETIME RANGE BAN IS THE ANSWER