Need some Nihilist books. Transgression Fiction, you know the sorts. Lolita, Fight Club, whatever.
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Hogg
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ITT 14 year old edgelords
Lord of dark places: has all the edge you'd need; paedophilia, rape, murder, racism. Black guy whose kink it is to fuck people to death.
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Painted Bird, finally the true and universal decadence and savagery of the polish people is revealed.
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>>7683383
Most of these words are very crappy though.
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this picture is very atrocious
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Why has what is considered to be good literature not changed over the past several hundred years?
If it has - is literature from hundreds of years ago that is considered by current standards to be good actually good, or just timelessly good?
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>>7683372
Go read middlemarch or bleak house and then read sabbaths theatre or crying of lot 49 and see if you can ask yourself that question again without sounding stupid.
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>>7683378
I've read Bleak House & Sabbath's Theatre.
I was referring actually to a translation of the Gospels which states that out of all of the Gospels - the Four were chosen to be canonised by the Church because they were the best in terms of literary content.
Basically what I'm asking is have standards of literature changed since then?
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Just finished Joyces Portrait
Is it bad to say I honestly thought Dubliners was better then this novel, it was good but I found that sometimes I'd get lost in the constant consciousness ramblings.
Onto Ulysses right?
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yes dubliners is better
portrait is overrated because the people who tend to frequent this board sees something of himself in stephen, and the relatability/feels aspect bumps up their consideration of the book
portrait is joyce's worst book (which, mind you, still places it somewhere in the top ~250 books of all time)
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>>7683309
>better then
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Dubliners is shit. You're a pleb. Congrats.
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I just finished the Western Canon ending with the Greeks and it was amazing. The Greeks allude to tons of great later works in a culminating masterpiece.
Has anyone here ended with the Achaeans?
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>He still hasn't read the Mesopotamian prequels.
Dude. Gilgamesh is like Hercules, Theseus, Perseus and Achilles all distilated into one.
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>>7683300
>ending with the Greeks
Ayy lmao
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>>7683300
This is some far out meme material brosef
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What's /lit/'s opinion on Bukowski?
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he invented a new style. I think he will go down in history because of it.
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>>7683245
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2UCT5ABGa4
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>>7683256
"trash" is nothing new
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Can you recommend me decent books about witches and knights? All the better when the knight serves a witch.
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>>7683233
ITS METALLICA
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Can we talk about how "Octet" is so bad it almost made me stop reading "brief interviews with hideous men" ?
Jesus christ it wasn't even that bad up until the last "hey if I'm meta enough nobody will notice I'm a lazy piece of shit and only finished half of the work I was supposed to do" part.
How he explicitely complains about the kind of person who is manipulatively self-deprecating and yet is so fucking self-deprecating throughout the whole chapter about his choice of words and about coming off cringy and insincere. How he pretends his being meta about the whole process of being meta is not open manipulation of the reader a begging for being liked. How this whole thing is completely retarded because the first few stories aren't nearly enough to make the reader even interested in his thought process or why he failed finishing the piece and how he feels about it. And how the whole fucking last "story" he pretends he's completely open and naked and sincere and how he's going to directly ask the reader and still DOESN'T HAVE THE FUCKING BALLS TO DO IT AND RATHER MAKES YOU PRETEND YOU'RE THE WRITER AND THAT YOU'RE ABOUT TO ADDRESS THE READER DIRECTLY AND THAT IT'S NOT ENTIRELY HE WHO SHAT THE BED LITERARY SPEAKING.
Jesus christ how did this piece of shit ever get published?
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>>7683188
pleb
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>>7683188
If it pissed you off that much it did its job perfectly.
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>>7683188
i thought it was banal and platitudinous
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How much has literature informed your opinions, personality or perspective, /lit/? I'm curious as to how often a reading experience continues to affect you long after the act, and if a work of literature did change you, which was it?
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a lot
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>>7683160
I read a lot of non-fiction, especially on Theology and Philosophy. I usually think about what I've read and figure out if I agree or disagree. If I disagree, I try to come up with counter-arguments.
Oh, and I guess reading turned me into a theist.
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>>7683160
a lot
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one of these threads
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>>7683154
>dead babies
He does love these,doesn't he.
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>>7683154
>tfw want to make cornbread but out of eggs
Possible spoilers ahead:
So today we were analyzing Huck Finn for satire, and we were talking about the chapter where Huck is trying to trick Jim into thinking that Jim dreamt Huck being separated in the fog. My teacher said that Jim knew Huck was tricking him the whole time and that he was just playing along by interpreting the dream and acting fooled. I always thought that Jim was actually fooled until the end. Am I right, or have I been reading this book wrong the whole time?
>inb4 underage. I'm 18
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What logical basis does she have for that? Jim's a stupid nigger and is always sincere, why would you assume that?
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>>7683150
that picture is a jumble of different forms of nihilism
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>>7683150
>knowledge is not possible and some aspects of reality do not exist as such
I consider myself fairly nihilistic, but i've never understood what they mean by this.
Is it descartian or because of observational bias or what?
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How do you guys plot/plan out your stories or novel ideas?
I don't really do much myself. I try to keep most of it in my head until I write it out.
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i like to write out a narrative plot. it helps me remember things, find holes and questions, develop characters and motivations, etc. but it's always very loose and if i come up with something better along the way i go with that instead of sticking rigidly to my original plan.
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>>7683114
i think up a set-up, try to imagine how it would come to a problem, then try to solve that problem in terms of the characters and their situation. preferably in a way the reader might not immediately think of.
then i get really stoned and forget all that shit and just type anything that comes into my head. might explain why i have so much trouble getting published.
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what books do laveyan satanists read? doesn't have to be pertaining to this philosophy just anything .
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>>7683077
did u really believe that kid was death grips
how retarded is /mu/?
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Zach a best grips.
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I don't know, but I have a feeling that it's going to be really fucking edgy
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Questions for writers:
When can you tell you have a good concept for a story? Is there a feeling associated with it, an inkling, or are good ideas only wrought with a lot of massaging and sweat?
How do you narrow the scope of a story and choose what to focus on? I have the urge to yield to every clever tangent, and then get lost second guessing myself following various threads, and ultimately feel powerless to web everthing together coherently.
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>>7683071
If I think of something that makes me laugh, I think it's good enough to turn into a story. Also I always start with a clear ending in mind, sometimes even writing the ending before anything else. It helps keep the story focused in that everything has to build towards the ending that's already there.
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The story itself isn't that important in my opinion. What you do with it is. Everybody can come up with good stories, that doesn't mean that they're gonna write a good book.
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Hey /lit/
I'm looking for two sort of stories
>fantasy with a lot of political drama but some magic (wasnt fulfilled with ASOIAF)
>Sci fi with a main character thats morally grey (akin to Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep or Ender's Game)
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The Deep by John Crowley
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Book of the New Sun
Amber Chronicle