What is the best age to finish/publish your first novel?
21 and am almost half way through my first sci-fi novel but I think it's too shit to get published so I need to make a better one once it's finished
wondering at what age I should finish a publishable one
>>8053277
There, A Best Friend Coming Out of Darkness by Randy Lenz
>17th grade
that nigga dumb
>>8053277
Stop worrying about age. It literally doesn't matter.
I'm reading Kant right now and i'm taking notes like crazy.
it's only the introduction and he's defining all the terms he'll be using throughout. I'm read seriously not even a page and a half and i wrote 3 pages worth of notes and thinking everything through to really 'get it' took me nearly an hour, but i have a pretty solid grasp on the abstract concepts he's putting forth.
I'm reading the Critique of Pure Reason btw.
So my question: anybody else read philosophy really slow like this? i don't want to just skim read and not get anything. Will it get easier as i go along, or am i stuck to feeling this stupid the entire month or so it will take me to get through this thing?
>>8053252
That's why you start with the Greeks you dip
i hope you're reading kant solely for academic purposes
if not, you're really dumb and should kill yourself right now
>>8053252
just read the prologema (Idk what I'm talking about)
He'd almost got killed
vs.
He'd almost gotten killed
Which is the correct grammar
>>8053240
2nd
>>8053240
1st is UKE; 2nd AmE.
he was almost killed
Need some good old fantasy.
and more similar to Tolkien and less like R.R. Martin. Actually, preferably nothing like R.R. Martin.
Eragon
How much Tolkien have you read
If it's just Lord of the Rings you still have The Hobbit (which is the fun fantasy adventure people who haven't read LoTR think LoTR is like) and the Silmarillion (which is where most of the actually interesting stuff about Tolkien comes from, including the so called world building).
Otherwise, I don't think there are many authors like Tolkien. His main draws were being a great storyteller and extremely dedicated worldbuilder (if not a exceptionally good writer strictly speaking), and since both of those came from his very particular education, upbringing and life experiences (a lot of LoTR is directly inspired by his experiences on WWI, e.g the Dead Marshes) it's very hard for that to be repeated.
>>8053120
Eragon literally ripped the plot from the Star Wars wholecloth and changed it slightly to make it fit into a fantasy setting
>>8053156
>2003
>reading for the plot
i'll shiggy if you'll diggy
Finnegans Wake by James Joyce;
Considered one of if not the hardest novel in the English language. I've been meaning to read it, but I don't know if it's worth it, any thoughts?
>>8052952
If you haven't read Joyce's previous stuff don't both. Especially Ulysses. If you aren't a huge fanboy by that point, I would also not bother. It's the kind of thing you have to be convinced that what the person has to say is important to have the stamina to go through it. Even then, without an annotated guide you won't get much from it.
>>8052952
You won't make it passed page 10 because you're a huge fucking pleb faggot.
Good luck.
>>8052952
If you're asking whether you should, the answer is no. I loved it myself, but I never doubted Joyce for a second after Ulysses.
When should I read this book? My English skills are not very good (ESL).
It's not actually worth reading, but if you're committed to doing so, I'd say once you hit the B2-C1 range.
>>8052739
After Gravity's Rainbow but before Ulysses.
>>8052739
Penguin books have classifications for different levels. I think they number their levels (1-10) and you should just go on their website.
Was he into Nietzsche? What would Nietzsche have thought of Joyce?
neet would have thought he's pleb shit
>>8052686
Ulysses alone contains more vocabulary words (30,030) than the entire Shakespearean canon of thirty-eight plays and 150 sonnets (29,168).
fun fact
>>8052686
IIRC Joyce considered Nietzsche a very minor thinker and was mostly dismissive.
This is ridiculous. No one's life is this pathetic.
>>8052599
Has Denis Johnson ever even done heroin lmao
>>8052599
>no one's life is this pathetic
>>8053046
Is there anything more infuriating than pic related to read?
Ellipses!
>>8052548
semi-colon
my diary tbqh
Hey /lit, so after reading a very inspirational thread a few days back about an anon driving 100 miles to steal Women and Men from a uni library, I think I'm going to steal a bunch of books from my high school right before graduation time. Any tricks/tips? Are there usually cameras in libraries that I'll have to watch out for? It seems like it will be a piece of cake, but I want to make sure I don't goof.
>>8052426
Oh yeah, also what specific books do you think I should go for (They don't have W&M, obv because it's a shitty high school library), and how many do you think I can get away with?
dont steal from a school you fucking lowlife
end your life homie
How hard is it actually to become a successful fantasy writer? Obviously not GRRM level but able to write a handful of fantasy books and have an actual fanbase that awaits each new book.
>>8052424
not OP but what about sci-fi? just started what I hope will become a sci-fi novel
>>8052424
not OP but what about erotica?
>>8052424
I think it's probably harder than you would think. There are so many shitty fantasy writers that just get swept under the rug every year, because you have to come up with something really original in order to truly succeed. You have to make a world at least with the originality of the likes of GRRM, or make really interesting characters, which is much easier said than done. /lit likes to shit on fantasy a lot, because the prose sucks ass and the literary quality is null, but there is something kind of difficult about actually making a really good story and world that not many people have a talent for. You can't just shit out a story about dwarves and elves in this day and age and expect to do well: you have to come up with something of your own to bring to the table.
>English
Does one even need skills to write in English?
Dumb frogposter
Cute anecdote: when Gertrude Stein sent her first book "Three Lives" (written in English) to publishers in Paris, an envoy from one of the publishing houses was surprised to find out she was an American and that English was her native tongue.
>>8052470
she writes like a retard so i'm not surprised. she was too influenced by shitty painters she collected and their paint like a retard motto/modernism trend.
How could a man like Watts, who had discovered such profound wisdom in the East, end up alcoholic again?
Drinking is dope
>>8052342
>how could a charlatan have a vice
>>8052342
Self medicating the repressed crippling anxiety that fueled his work
Come on, bruh. Be honest. It's just me, dawg.
You're really cool with posthumous recognition? I mean, really, bruh?
Like, let's say you're for sure going to be considered a genius, just not in your lifetime. Like, let's say you're for sure going to be considered a genius, but not discovered for another 100 years. Your grandkids won't even live to know you were a genius. Not a single soul currently alive on the Earth while you were alive will know you were a genius.
You're really cool with that, bruh?
Come on, bruh. You can be honest. Ain't no females here to impress. This board's anonymous. No one knows who you are.
You're really cool with posthumous recognition, bruh?
I'll know I'm a genius
when did i say i was
>implying
Thinking about setting aside enough funds so that I can ensure a decent sized statue of myself is built before I die. I'll put it on private land and allow it to become a library or some shit after death. I won't do it when I'm 30 of course, probably more like 80, or whatever my health dictates. Anyway, that's how I'll ensure I have some kind of relevance after death. Also, of course, I intend on doing getting myself frozen, a normal human lifespan isn't enough time to think about things.
Are there any pure-worldbuilding books out there of quality?
Any books that are basically non-fiction-style histories or commentaries of fictional worlds or timelines?
>>8052186
The Silmarillion
>>8052186
>The Bible
>>8052594
(you)