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>Is athiesm about materialism?
>Why does the human race spend all their money on new technologies and spend their whole life trying to attain objects that are impermanent?
Perhaps you are conflating materialisms.

>>542445
Nah I meant like, if the world generally doesn't believe in afterlife (not sure about statistic) why would they go out of their way to improve technologies and make new buildings when if we only have one life to live, wouldn't helping people and not try killing eachother in war be a good way to go about life?

I think you are confusing between materialism and hedonism
Yes atheism is materialism. Material world is the only truth and anything else is just wishful thinking.

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I bet it was Christianity.

>>542191
Vast government corruption, hyper-inflation, a weakened and overstretched military, and hundreds of thousands of soldiers and their families flooding their borders to carve out their own kingdoms.

This is 4chan though so it'll probably all be "muh multiculturalism, muh degeneracy, muh feminism"

>>542215

You forgot superior Germanic dick.

Shitting on England (yeah I know, but England=GB=UK, no one cares) is funny, since most of people shit on them while using English invention in English language.
If anyone deserves respect for their historical deeds, it's the English, they built the modern world.

"Great" doesnt refer to quality you dipshit

>>542187

>Brittany:
34,023 km2 (13,136 sq mi)
>Great Britain
209,331 km2 (80,823 sq mi)

As you see, Great Britain is way bigger.

>>542112
Why are you so shit at making bait threads?

>>542120
How is this a bait?

because of where they lived. They thrived in the in the harshest environment on out planet, this made them the toughest warriors of their age(if not of all time), it also helps that they forged their steel weapons in the same forge they burned their most honorable warriors in.

>>541438
It is universally known that Adam was the first man and Eve the first woman. It is therefore generally accepted that Cain married Eve (after Adam died) or a (partial) sister. The old testament is full of incest so it's not all that bizarre in the overall narrative.
Most likely Cain's brothers were set on revenge for Abel's murder. However the bible says Cain was marked so he would not be killed.

>>541438


>Did God create other humans before Adam and Eve?
Yes, Adam and Eve were only considered to be the ultimate ancestors of Abraham, and thus the Hebrew people by its original authors. "Adam was DA FIRST PERSON EVAR" came later.

>>541486
The middle east is still full of incest, if anything it just makes it more believable.

>>539748
because he can bring a good from deformed babies

>>539748
He has a wicked sense of humour

Some are born as eunuchs, some have been made eunuchs by others, and some choose not to marry for the sake of the Kingdom of Heaven. Let anyone accept this who can.

>>538520
Not sure what you're getting at.

>>538516
American revolution is as significant to world as 80 years war.
It resulted in introduction of new big power on the international stage.

French revolution was the outburst of three forces that shaped, and will continue to shape the world long after all those powers will be gone. Nationalism, liberalism and socialism.

>>538516

The French Revolution is up there with the Reformation as one of the most significant events in European history.

The American Revolution had little impact other than bankrupting France and so accelerating the trouble there

Oral tradition gets you far

>>538244
I would say not at all. The Celts, Latins, Germans, Slavs and Hellens seemed to have no clue that they were only a couple hundred years away from being the same group of people that spread across europe.

Even later on when the Romans realized how similar their religion was to the greeks and other groups they only ever thought it was because the pantheon was real and they had different names for them

>>538244
The ancient humans had a cyclical model of history. This is evident in the texts of virtually every ancient, civilized race.

The Hindus traced man’s descent across four ages or yugas, from the age of Truth (Satya Yuga) to the Dark Age (Kali Yuga), with the series comprising a single Great Age (Mahayuga).

The Hellenic Hesiod, in his Works and Days, described the procession from a Golden Age to Silver, Bronze, and Iron Ages, which corresponds to the Persian rendition of the cycles. The Old Testament reveals that the Semitic peoples also shared this cyclical understanding. In a dream experienced by the Chaldean king Nebuchadnezzar, there stood a statue with a head made of gold, a chest and arms of silver, thighs of bronze, and legs and feet made of iron and clay, all of which eventually crumbled upon being struck by a stone.

The ancients also agreed that with each successive age, man becomes more and more distant from a primordial state of perfection. In the Golden Age, man lived in harmony with divine beings and according to absolute, transcendent principles that brought happiness, wholeness, and near immortality to individuals while it brought order and prosperity to collective life. With the ushering in of the Silver Age came a fall from this state of grace and the establishment of an imperfect existence, where those old principles were abandoned, the gods lost much of their divine nature, and man took a step away from cosmic harmony toward chaos. For the purposes of this essay, we shall elaborate on the Golden and Silver Ages, for it was in these prehistoric periods that humanity underwent processes that bestowed our multitude of contemporary mental and physical forms upon us.

>halp i'm writing a paper and need sources because i'm too lazy to do my own research

>>537448
not writing a paper, im just genuinely interested in middle east and west relations.

>>537404
Persian here.

In short, this wave of terrorism and "conquering" of Europe and North America by Islam can be blamed on: The English, The Americans, and the French.

Iranians were fed up by massive westernization of Iran that was happening under the Shah. They sought solace under Khomeini as he appeared to be a moral, religious man who was basically a Liberal. He had a "take from the rich and give to the poor" attitude. This couldn't be farther from the truth. Anyway... Mosadegh became prime minister, and promised to nationalize the oil, which the English didn't like. Khomeini was given asylum in France until they were ready to strike. Helped by, CIA (who paid street gangs and other minority "militias" ) to hit the streets and overthrow the DEMOCRATICALLY elected government. After getting into power, the clergy (instead of helping the people, abused them instead) started a war with Iraq to increase influence and assert dominance. This led to other nations in the middle-east to use oil profits to stop this influence via extremist Islam, suh as Wahhabism.

There's a lot of crucial details and facts missing from the above, but you should get the gist.

I'm often dumb-founded people in France or other Western countries are shocked when terrorist attacks take place. You were completely okay with electing a government who started dirty and unprofessional wars abroad but are now surprised when they retaliate?

As much as I hate Islam, I'm slightly happy to see Europe getting destroyed. You reap what you sow.

>>537083
After Tito died, a rotating presidency was set up and ethnic tensions of old reflared. The Serbs turned Kosovo and Vojvodina into autonomous regions because of all the ethnic minorities there, which gave the Serbs 4 seats in the presidency (the also have Montenegro). In response, the other republics began to become more secession minded, which caused a feedback loop that pitted the Serbs against the other groups. This tension was strongest in multi-ethnic Bosnia, and eventually war broke out when Slovenia, Macedonia, Croatia and Bosnia seceded

Imagine Lebanese civil war, but with less fractions, more coordinated ethnic cleansing, foreign power interests ( because its in Europe ) and perhaps the best pillaging of any socialist country in their transition to a democracy ever. In the privatization that followed every ex-yu state was sacked. Criminals were given military equipment and former communists have split up in new parties. So, 26 years after the star of the war, imbeciles and now sons of imbeciles govern each of the states with massive and extremely porous goverment administrations. Of course, Slovenia didnt participate in the war and they are butthurt till this day because they are not enough Slav to be embraced by other ex-yu states and not enough European to be accepted by European states.

OP here, is this a good documentary?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pt5n2381Fzc

>>537048
It made some Catholics experience cognitive dissonance about whether or not Papal Infallibility still stood, or if they were able to ignore V2.

>>537048
>red pill me

Into the trash it goes.

>>537048

Liberalized the Church for the Sexual Revolution

Allowed Jews to dictate the terms of it.

Basically it is the Americans and Jews ensuring their degenerate new world is not rebelled against by Catholics.

demagoguery combined with the prussian tradition of unconditional obedience and militarism

>>536820

Well, it is a long story, but there are tons of factors which played into the whole thing.

Believe it or not, but Germany always has been extremely militaristic before WWII, coming from the Holy Roman Empire, being a broken mess of a country for as long as everyone remembered before WWI, being involved in territorial struggles between landlords for way longer than any other European state. That was interconnected with the small man in Germany being extremely small on the grand scale, always suppressed and Germany being probably the only progressive European country which got its shit pushed in horribly when the people spoke out for a democratic system. As all already know even WWI, which was still hyped up by the ordinary people, ended in a terrible failure for the German people and left them stripped of even more than they already were. Hitlers uprising was mostly driven by the German peoples inferiority complex developed after being the butt of all Europe for a seeming eternity.
Well and after Hitler came to power he basically went all out with his propaganda and did not spare any historical merit Germany had in his rise to power. The word fascism itself and the ideology came from Italy originally and the fascis was a roman symbol of unity, as Mussolini started to dig up Italys roman heritage to boost morale, Hitler basically used the assets for the same purpose with the same claims of roman heritage. The jump from this to full legionary sentiment was not too far and so the nat-soc party slaughtered out every last bit of legionary symbolism. You could obviously see that the people went nuts over this and it is no surprise considering their heavily damaged self-esteem. Also after the party rised in influence they established schooling which enforced this symbols and mindsets, trying to make them a significant part of German culture.

Communist also had a hard-on for banners and parades (modern Russia still does) and no one makes a deal out of it.

>>536820
> Did the Nazis look 'evil' when they came about?
For a lot of people. A lot of people can't even accept today that something as horrible happen, just like there was a lot of people doubting what the Red Khmer did truly could have happen.

>>536789
>Thousand of soldiers die in the civil war
Well war isn't always nice
>a family of ""'noble""" die
WHAT ? How could you ?

yes

>>536814
this

>>536818
>>536814

I want bolshecucks off my board, go to leftiepol you leftist parasites

"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."
-Niemöller

"I can make this march, and I will make Georgia howl!"

- William Tecumseh Sherman

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win - Me

Christians just retreat to a point where they are untouchable in philosophical terms and then sneer at atheists because "lol ur so dumb u think u can prove god doesnt exist". When in reality the "god" they are arguing for is little more than a philosophical abstraction at this point, and certainly has fuck all to do with the god of the Bible

this has been the real victory against religious types, to push them to a point where they can no longer claim that the creator of the universe is giving them instructions on how to live without being laughed out of the room. As far as I'm concerned it is the only victory that is necessary. Let them have their abstract proofs of the existence of "god", no amount of Cosmological argument will ever get them to revelation or miracles or dead men coming back to life or an afterlife. Serves them right for having a tard understanding of religion anyway, Hindus and Buddhists can cope with these things just fine

>>536767
Any belief outside of solipsism is faith based and an ideosyncratic abstraction. Prove me wrong
>protip you can't

>>536743

It was soundly defeated way before that.

A large subset of Christians are just undebateable, and will cling to the notion that Christianity is true even if they have to deliberately distort evidence in order to do so.

For instance, take the second verse of the first Gospel, Mark.

The original Greek very deliberately says "As the prophet Isaiah said", and then goes on to quote a different prophet (Malachai). Oops.

So what to a lot of Christians do? They just edit the Gospel. If you look at the King James Version of the bible, which is at least the most popular in America, it says "As the prophets say".

Twist the holy book around to make it true, don't evaluate it on its own and come to a decision of whether or not it's true.

Christians haven't been intellectually honest or defending a meaningful position pretty much from the get-go. Otherwise, they wouldn't use pretzel logic to try to force a holy book from a completely different religion which explicitly warns you not to listen to guys like Jesus as a theological backdrop they claim to spring forth from.