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When and why did it stop being normal for educated English-speakers to recognize allusions to the Bible, Homer, Virgil, Ovid, Horace, Spenser, Shakespeare, and Milton? What happened to the idea of the classical tradition?
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Honestly, does it matter?
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thank STEM
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>>788694
This. When uni started to be about educating you for a niche profession.

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>existence can exist
Proof: You
>existence can exist again
Cannot be disproved
>therefore literally everything has happened before exactly as it has happened in this lifetime in all aspects and will happen again ad nauseum
>implying this hasn't happened and will happen endlessly and is the only true example of infinity the 'universe' offers
>implying there is anything you can do to break the cycle
>implying you aren't in hell
>implying I am wrong
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>>788528
>reading Nietzsche wrong
Not that I dislike the idea, it's great.
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Prove "you" exist.
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>>788595
I can't at least not to you. But do you really think you don't exist. in any shape or form.

>>788545
You don't have to read something in order to become acquainted with an idea.

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Why aren't you reading primary sources? Don't you realize all history books are merely an interpretation?
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>>788275


But i do.
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It's complicated. I recently read a book by some woman who read through 30,000 English court documents from the middle ages. I don't want to do that myself.
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>>788275
>primary sources
>implying you understand multiple classical or dead languages

Don't you realize translations are interpretations?

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Anyone who has come to reject the rationalist myth of "progress" and the interpretation of history as an unbroken positive development of mankind will find himself gradually drawn towards the world-view that was common to all the great traditional cultures, and which had at its centre the memory of a process of degeneration, slow obscuration, or collapse of a higher preceding world. As we penetrate deeper into this new (and old) interpretation, we encounter various problems, foremost among which is the question of the secret of degeneration.

In its literal sense, this question is by no means a novel one. While contemplating the magnificent remains of cultures whose very name has not even come down to us, but which seem to have conveyed, even in their physical material, a greatness and power that is more than earthly, scarcely anyone has failed to ask themselves questions about the death of cultures, and sensed the inadequacy of the reasons that are usually given to explain it.
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>>788206
We can thank the Comte de Gobineau for the best and best-known summary of this problem, and also for a masterly criticism of the main hypotheses about it. His solution on the basis of racial thought and racial purity also has much truth in it, but it needs to be expanded by a few observations concerning a higher order of things. For there have been many cases in which a culture has collapsed even when its race has remained pure, as is especially clear in certain groups that have suffered slow, inexorable extinction despite remaining as racially isolated as if they were islands. An example quite close at hand is the case of the Swedes and the Dutch. These people are in the same racial condition today as they were two centuries ago, but there is little to be found now of the heroic disposition and the racial awareness that they once possessed. Other great cultures seem merely to have remained standing in the condition of mummies: they have long been inwardly dead, so that it takes only the slightest push to knock them down. This was the case, for example, with ancient Peru, that giant solar empire which was annihilated by a few adventurers drawn from the worst rabble of Europe.
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>>788207
If we look at the secret of degeneration from the exclusively traditional point of view, it becomes even harder to solve it completely. It is then a matter of the division of all cultures into two main types. On the one hand there are the traditional cultures, whose principle is identical and unchangeable, despite all the differences evident on the surface. The axis of these cultures and the summit of their hierarchical order consists of metaphysical, supra-individual powers and actions, which serve to inform and justify everything that is merely human, temporal, subject to becoming and to "history." On the other hand there is "modern culture," which is actually the anti-tradition and which exhausts itself in a construction of purely human and earthly conditions and in the total development of these, in pursuit of a life entirely detached from the "higher world."

From the standpoint of the latter, the whole of history is degeneration, because it shows the universal decline of earlier cultures of the traditional type, and the decisive and violent rise of a new universal civilization of the "modern" type.
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>>788207
>>788210
So traditional cultures, even if they keep to their tradition, can't escape the Decline?

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Why have Germany and Japan had such close ties for so much of the time they've been aware of each other? Similar militaristic values stretching back to a semi-mythical, romanticized warrior past? Or just historical synchronicity?
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They haven't.
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>>787941
>Why have Germany and Japan had such close ties for so much of the time they've been aware of each other?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-German_cooperation_until_1941
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>>787941
They didn't. Germany just up and switched from backing China to backing Japan.

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LET US APPRECIATE THE DIVINE NATION THAT HAD ALL STUNNED BY ITS GLORY. Byzantium is the greatest nation in medieval and late antique history, and will always be! Post wonders, brilliant rulers, and achievements that this empire had. BARBARIAN HATERS LEAVE
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>last a thousand years
>entire thousand years is a linear descent downward
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"Ancient Rome" = "Troy" = "Byzantium"
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>>787892
That's not even true. The byzantines were literally the most powerful naval super power in the Mediterranean until the last few centuries of their existence. They reconquered lost land dozens of times.

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who are some good modern philosophers /his/? im talking like 1950s and onwards
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>>787713

Quentin Meillassoux
Peter Sloterdijk
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>>787713

The only one you ever really need to listen to. Take the Black Pill.
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*sniff*

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What were your favorite history books when you were younger? What books got you into history?

Stephen Biesty's cross-section books were the best.
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Susan Wise Bauer's "Story of the World" books.
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>>787620
A Chinese children's book which I forgot the name of about the history of ancient Greece.

There were ancient Greeks who used giant flying leather balloon weapons, gigantic mirror ray weapons and super catapults described in this book.

I thought ancient Greek inventors like Archimedes were basically evil geniuses and that's pretty awesome.
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http://www.amazon.com/Castle-David-Macaulay/dp/0395329205

What point in history was the strongest future shock?
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The late 1800s to the early 1900s
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Neolithic agricultural revolution.
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1900-1970

Has anyone else noticed that while Protestants maintain a Nestorian Christology, they seem to have an almost monophysite perspective on the authorship of Scripture? While the Orthodox (and the Roman Catholics afaik) see the authorship of Scripture as "100% man and 100% God", Protestants seem to think God just dictated it directly, as opposed to inspired it.
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>>787418
>a Nestorian Christology

No

>almost monophysite perspective on the authorship of Scripture

I don't understand, monophysitism is about the nature of Christ


Most Protestants are not biblical literalists.
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>>787418
>Nestorian
>Monophysite
Don't you have a stake you should be burning on, heretics?
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>>787474
>No
Sure, any Protestant who says Mary is the Mother of the human Jesus but not the God Jesus.

>I don't understand, monophysitism is about the nature of Christ
It's the idea that Christ had no humanity, but was just divine. I think you understand what I mean when applying that conception to Scripture.

>Most Protestants are not biblical literalists.
Most that aren't super liberal are, yeah

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Is it wrong to kill someone?
How much do ethics even matter?
Whats the point in life besides stimulating your immediate desires?
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Raskolnikov pls
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>>787407

>is it wrong to kill someone?

Yes. There are circumstances when it can be permissible, but I won't tell you what those circumstances are, because the best way to avoid an unjust killing is to be unsure of yourself and not go through with it at all. If you need to kill someone no matter what, you'll do it no matter what I tell you.

>How much do ethics even matter?

The whole discussion is really fucking important but don't stress to much about the particulars of which ethical code is the right one and if you're a good person or not. You should only worry if you might kill someone, see the previous paragraph.

>Whats the point in life besides stimulating your immediate desires?

What's the point of having a point? If you're given some objective for life, and you complete that objective, you win some sort of prize? So what?
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>>787407
>Is it wrong to kill someone?
In general, yes.

>How much do ethics even matter?
Quite a bit.

>Whats the point in life besides stimulating your immediate desires?
To worship God alone, and follow his commandments.

I need to know everything there is to know about the Kingdom of Poland - not just as a political entity but the culture and attitudes that dominated the region at the time.

I need a crash course on what made Poland, Poland.
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>>787341

It was Mexicans anon.

Mexicans made Poland Poland.
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>muh commonwealth
>muh intellectuals
>muh decentralization
>muh constitutions
>muh partitions
>muh christ of europe
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Anyone have any good reading on the formation and early years of the Eastern Bloc? Free and online preferably.
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>>787326
This pic is fucking aesthetic
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Yugoslavia wasn't part of the Warsaw pact dude
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>>787782
True, and after the 50's Hoxha steered Albania toward friendship with China instead of the SU.

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>renounced his evolutionist theories on his deathbed
>probably prayed like hell for forgiveness too
Is their anyone more pathetic?
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You could look at a mirror
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Yes, your life.
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Proof?

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>Story behind pic related?
WTF?
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>>786934
Japan fucking over Russia
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>>786934


Yaoi fangirl slashfics are a universal constant.
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>>786934
Fucking with them nihon boys, you gon get fucked over

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