Which philosophers and writers will help me become an invulnerbale and infallible rhetorician?
None.
Even Cicero would say you need to know your shit before even beginning to think about speaking/writing anything.
>>9286193
Suppose I had the pre-requisite knowledge, what then can I read to help me communicate my thoughts cleanly and defend, attack those who oppose me?
>>9286207
Cicero.
In the Latin, of course.
>Socrates, 5BC: YOU CANT KNOW NUFFIN. YOU CANT EVEN KNOW THAT YOU KNOW NUFFIN
>Wittgenstein, 20AD: YOU CANT KNOW NUFFIN. YOU CANT EVEN KNOW THAT YOU KNOW NUFFIN. Now proven with math
Holy...philosophy sure came far
You're so dumb it makes me ill :/
You didn't get it, brainlet.
Try again.
>>9286346
Socrates didn't say that. Try again.
who wrote the russian sleep experiment?
a total loser
>>9286162
Dostoevsky
>We are the madness that lurks within you all, begging to be free at every moment in your deepest animal mind. We are what you hide from in your beds every night. We are what you sedate into silence and paralysis when you go to the nocturnal haven where we cannot tread
what did he mean by this? WHAT are ((they))?
Have any of you read it? What did you think of it?
>>9286154
best novel
>>9286154
worst novel
It's very boring. I have mysterious Russian soul thought, and find characters and themes too frat
Can you lads rate my poem?
At a party we gathered under the moon, twas a night not filled with dread and gloom.
We walked about greeting each other, and that was when I found my lover. We gadded about all night, soaking in the lovely sights. The moon and stars shown so bright until my mind was filled with a ungodly fright!
When this night ends will I see my love again? At the thought of this I began to cry and more than one dreadful tear was shed from my broken eyes.
My love did detest "Why do you cry under such a wondrous night sky, is it for I?" She reassured me of our never ending love and with that we stood hand in hand looking above.
>>9286010
5/12 on a pleb scale.
Ama teen taken rough by two;
Brush bait and mast, flesh flickering -
Sticky fingers and Oh Yeah.
>>9286053
Could you elaborate?
Really bad
>twas
>broken eyes
>that last line
Discuss.
Elegant beginning morphs into a twisted fucking horror story. Mother of god I will never recover.
snooze
>>9286006
I didn't get bored as it is a super fast read.
Why is he the greatest czech writer and the only one who's important outside the Czech?He's humanist.
>>9285938
Been getting into Czech literature lately, how is The Engineer of Human Souls? Been sitting on my shelf for a good while. I was wondering if any other anons had read it.
Bump for interest, but I have nothing to contribute
>>9285938
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Being a straight guy?
>dat title is hidden on catalog
"Gay relationship" is an oxymoron. Even the extreme statistical minority of gay men who outwardly simulate monogamy are still just whores, or only doing a temporary thing.
Being gay isn't just like "straight monogamy with the partner's gender switched." It's more like "straight single life, but the porno is really really really good and freely available, and also it kills you with AIDS immediately." There's no companionship because all gay men are just disgusting fucking whores snorting poppers and eating each other's shit in rimseats at cheap motels. It's mindless male sexuality run amok with nothing to stop it.
>>9285910
Subject goes in the subject field, amigo.
What is some good /lit/ on Natural Law? I had a conversation where I tried to convince someone that it's the most retarded idea imaginable, and is basically self-contradictory, but I figure it might make sense for me to read some other arguments for or against it in order to better understand my own position.
Any suggestions?
>Xavier
Patrician detected
>>9285806
Can you clarify exactly what you mean by "Natural Law?" Just to make sure I'm not replying or answering to some other view that you weren't talking about.
>>9285854
To be honest, I don't think I completely understood it, since every one of my criticisms was considered off-point.
As far as I can tell, we were talking about the same concept discussed here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_law#Cumberland.27s_rebuttal_of_Hobbes
do you think there's any chance he'll ever do one of these with 4chan? after that pepe video, i feel like anything's possible.
Lol, no chance.
>>9285788
Today's your lucky day Bucko ask away
>>9285892
Hello I am from /r9k/ and /pol/. Our community /pol/ uses meme magic to influence politics. In the other community /r9k/ we share our feels and sort ourselves out by avoiding women (but not traps, they are okay because they have a feminine penis). In both these board we redpill each other (from the movie the Matrix: in other words we enlighten each other about the truth).
I was wondering what you think of these communities. What kind of archetypes are they? Do you believe in meme magic? What is your view on women and the Jewish?
Thanks.
So how do I get started with poetry? How do I properly write poems?
Start with nursery rhymes like Mother Goose and the some Dr. Seuss.
>>9285764
if you write in english. Read up extensively on the rules of haiku and sonnets. Learn to write them functionally and then you can write anything.
Focus on imagery and sonic (meter, if you use it, rhyme, alliteration, assonance) qualities before really pushing at symbolism and motifs and narrative.
Try not to let the poem get too lost in it self.
This is one of my pieces, I'm not trying to get stroked or anything so don't respond to it, but use it as a guide to whether or not you trust my advice
>>9285764
I'm going to assume you have a basic education on poetry? As in, are familiar with things like meter, rhyme, form, feet, and so on?
If so, just continue to read a lot, a mixture of the classics, modern, and contemporary. Start with your morning with Shakespeare sonnets or Keats, lunch with Eliot's "Prufrock" or Yeats' "Sailing to Byzantine," and dinner with Ashbery or Shaughnessy. It's important to first get a decent overview of poetry before diving into any one poet or era, I'd say.
As for writing, I think the best approach is to view poetry the same way the ancients and classicists did---as a craft, not mere personal expression dedicated to man and self. Look up various forms and try to write a few poems that way---many sonnets, some with wilder rhyme schemes, and ultimately some 'free verse.'
or just write in this manner
with random breaks and
no concern
for conventional grammar,
just expressing
myself
for
the
world
to see.
Is there any genuinely frightning horror in literature?
>>9285699
Wating for Godot
>>9285699
Yes. see: critical theory on the frightening horrors of capital and resulting consumerism, mass spectacle, commodification, and ennui.
But seriously, there's a pretty good Horror guide in the wiki, but I don't believe any book could truly 'frighten' in the sense we mean in the 21st century, post-film and television.
>>9285699
if 1984 doesnt scare the shit out of you then idk what will
Hi /lit/..
How do you people hold the urge of buying more books? Whenever I go to a bookstore, I buy the book I need plus 5-6 more. I just feel like I need more books. Any suggestions?
>>9285655
Go to the library and get your materialism under control
>>9285666
devil trips got it. even if you don't have a local library, it sounds like you just fell for the meme of consumerism and need to get yourself in order.
>>9285669
>get yourself in order
Financially or spiritually?
Trying to quit porn I thought about conditioning myself to jerking it to erotic literature in order to cease my visual fixation on the sexual act and get more in tune with my female partners - what is some patrician erotic fiction, /lit/?
Anais Nin.
Story of the Eye
Write your own smut. See what gets hard or wet. This is the true secret to writing erotica.
What else by Cervantes is worth reading or is he just a one trick phony?
>>9285614
Don Quixote is one hell of a trick to be so dismissive about, OP.
Novelas Ejemplares.
Just read the Four Tragedies. What else by Shakespeare is worth reading or is he just a one trick phony?Yes.