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Been reading a little Shakespeare and I hate to admit but I have some difficulty figuring out what it is characters are talking about, specifically their tone or sincerity. I find something like The Faerie Queene much easier to understand.

However, it's still possible to pick out a great line or two in the text.

I was thinking, when I see a Shakespearian play performed, I understand what is happening despite this issue. However, I miss all the nuance of the wordplay and metaphors. Yet when I read it, my understanding of the actions, plot, etc. suffer yet I understand the wordplay better. Anyone else? Or is this a personal issue?
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>Anyone else? Or is this a personal issue?

I think this is common. Writing is 400 years old after all. It's just something you'll have to work on.
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>>9361190
STOP READING PLAYS
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>>9361190
Yes, that's common. Performances have a lot of nuances in tone of voice, gestures, mannerisms, etc. that let you understand what people mean despite not understanding the words outright. Reading allows you time to go over a line repeatedly and figure out everything you can about it, but the lack of audiovisuals means you have to be able to simulate an entire stage of actors in your mind.

I would say watch a performance first to understand the events and then read it later if you really want to scrutinize lines.

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what should I be reading to get ready?
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>>9361000
my diary desu
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>>9361000
It's post-bio rather than post-nuke but Margaret Atwood's "Oryx & Crake" is really good dystopian fic desu
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>>9361000
The Road.

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ITT: Patrician comedy

Now THIS is pure gold.
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Importance of Being Earnest and Don Quixote are the funniest pieces of literature I've read.
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Dead Souls is also pretty funny
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A lot of things by Wilde and also Decline and Fall by Waugh

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>Your MTBI
>Favorite Novelist
>Favorite Philosopher

ISTP
Hesse
Nietzsche
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>>9360516
dafuq op
Did you mean to say Myers-Briggs?
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in(t/f)p
dostoevsky
schopenhauer
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>>9360570
kek did they get the wikihow artist to draw that?

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T R I G G E R E D
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Postmodern "poetry" fucks me off
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>>9360252
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>>9360252
Now literally anything could be art. This post is art.

how accurate is this /lit/

taken from a lecture slide in one of my law courses
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Well yeah pretty much

Although surprisingly enough, long, difficult books have more than a single idea in them & take more than a single word to summarize
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>>9360112
it's a good example of bad post modernism.
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Horseshit, modernism was the beginning of the end already.

Enlightenment: Study of objective reality
Modern: Expand study of objective reality with subjective perceptions of it
Postmodern: Everything is subjective, there is no objective reality

>Tillerson reported that Ayn Rand's novel Atlas Shrugged (1957) is his favourite book.
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We're never going to get another proper intellectual in a position of power ever again, are we?
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>Any white person who brings the elements of civilization had the right to take over this continent,” Ayn Rand proclaimed, “and it is great that some people did, and discovered here what they couldn’t do anywhere else in the world and what the Indians, if there are any racist Indians today, do not believe to this day: respect for individual rights.

>“Let’s suppose they were all beautifully innocent savages, which they certainly were not,” Rand persisted. “What was it that they were fighting for, if they opposed white men on this continent? For their wish to continue a primitive existence, their right to keep part of the earth untouched, unused, and not even as property, but just keep everybody out so that you will live practically like an animal?” she asked.

Based Rand supported BTFOing savages to establish civilization.
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>>9359675
>I'm smarter than the CEO of one of the biggest companies in the world and the current secretary of state because I masturbate to dostoevsky

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Which books did you stop reading midway through? Why?
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>>9359178
Robinson Crusoe, it was just abit to religious for me
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Woolf, To the Lighthouse - too difficult
Bulgakov - White Guard - too political, requires too much historical knowledge.
Toole - Confederacy of Dunces - it got old quickly.
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The blade itself by joe abercrombie after the first fucking line

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What are some good Christian novels?
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>>9357277
Letter To A Christian Nation by Sam Harris
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>>9357277

Silence
Les Miserables (if you count a deist as Christian)
East of Eden

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>He thinks that Gregor Samsa actually turned into a Cockroach in the Metamorphosis
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>>9356108
WAIT A MINUTE

it was a metaphor????
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>>9356108
>he still even uses the word cockroach in this context.
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Um. He did though.

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Redpill me on e-readers.
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screens are the oblate jew
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>>9351879
Not an argument
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eInk for epubs, lcd for pdf
Amazon is a closed system that preys on its customers' lack of tech savvy
Kobo and Nook are good options
Calibre is helpful for organizing and converting ebboks, but not to/from pdf

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>receive message back from publisher
>"Dear anon, in regards to your manuscript, we regret to inform yo-"
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>>9364309
Same. Try a different one.
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>>9364309
try again man

try again till there's no publisher left in the world.
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Do you have agent?
>>9364479
this

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Would not it have been more fitting of a flower of rhetoric for the phrase to be turned thusly:
>Countrymen, Romans, friends, lend me your ears...
I thought he was supposed to be a literary genius?
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The first folio was edited upon publication, so it is possible that there were some changes.
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You are an idiot, but I'll humour you.

Mark Antony first appeals to the plebs as his friends, then as citizens of the Roman Empire, and finally as members of the same kin as him. He goes from the personal to the public and to the national. Compare it with Brutus's speech, which starts with the formal "Romans, countrymen, lovers".

Notice the crescendo of the phrase: one syllable, two syllables, three syllables, and then follows an imperative full of monosyllables (lend me your ears). Brutus also uses an imperative, but it's too long and patronizing. In contrast, Antony is blunt but candid, and by appealing to emotions, whereas Brutus appealed to reason, he wins the plebs, to the point where they kill and dismember an innocent philosopher for sharing hia name with one of the conspirators.

A flower of rhetoric alone is what Brutus would have used. Antony uses that too, but he mixes it with sentiment to maximize its effect.

>>9364041
What does that have to do with anything?
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Putting the shorter words after the longer one sounds worse.

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Penguin appreciation thread for all broke anons, who like their pages smudged as they turn them. Post your Penguins. Also r8 me

>"My date with anon was so shit. HAHAHA! OMG YEAH! I heard he was a virgin later, still is, but I would've guessed anyway as I entered his room. He doesn't have a shelf dedicated entirely to his worn-out Penguin classics..."
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>>9363656
only 3 good works- and one is upside down
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>>9363656
0/10
fucking turn the odyssey the correct way
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>>9363664
Odyssey, Art of War, Suetonius?
You wanna know how I know you're a faggot who can't appreciate life

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What are the top 10 Russian books to read?
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Read war and peace and then come back for the other 9.
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Чecтный мoй днeвник
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>>9363549
Fucking this.

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