Purest OTP edition
>MGO3 Info
http://www.konami.jp/mgs5/tpp/en/online/index.php5
>NEW PLAYER GUIDE
http://i.imgur.com/K9rvfa4.jpg
>MGSV SPOILER FILTER
http://pastebin.com/5eiauTjG
>STEAM GROUP
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/metalgeargeneral
>ADD PEOPLE TO PLAY PEACE WALKER WITH
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Au5Ixaye51LcdElEN0hRM3dOcGJyTFdyY3k3RmFnZVE#gid=07
>ARCHIVED THREADS
http://archive.moe/vg/search/subject/%2Fmgg%2F/type/op/
>TRAILERS AND PLAYTHROUGHS
http://pastebin.com/WBBe5k16
>/mgg/ ONEDRIVE FOLDER
https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=65254E4C501EDAEF!4116&authkey=!AMDti9C9NNjfhT8&ithint=folder%2cxlsx
>LISTS AND OTHER DOWNLOADS
http://pastebin.com/V3egDzKa
>TPP MUSIC, TAPES, & RADIO FILES
https://mega.nz/#!R5UFwByS!aPuM4_DuBugoFAEV7KHsWYeG9z6EJzzF2LBUuy2PgSM
>MGSV TPP ANIMAL LOCATIONS
http://imgur.com/a/jb2ji
>/mgg/ FLASH LIST
http://pastebin.com/1N93Dngi
>PERFORMANCE AND VISUALS TWEAKS/MODS
http://pastebin.com/NDHwc4vJ
>METAL GEAR 1 & 2 MANUAL FAN-TRANSLATION
MG1:https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B1Ev0h6J50-NfmJCbGRTYmJjM2dNVHFGRjRzN2ZESVBlNGJaeDVyVnJ2UVAwWFByZklPVHc&usp=sharing
MG2:https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B1Ev0h6J50-Nfjk4MjBsaGlvSGF2dThfWG9tMUI4ZEhFdjZEbDA4aW43Wi1EcGctclUwdzg&usp=sharing
>GROUND ZEROES MAX SETTINGS MOD
http://www.nexusmods.com/metalgearsolidv/mods/11/?
>INFO ON MOVIE TIME
https://docs.google.com/document/d/17CC71ca3Ak8hD3znRX5w05rSytOw6rIU6Xmtlt259AU/pub
>EDITED AND CLEANED TAPES FROM MGSPW AND MGSV:GZ, PLUS SONGS
https://mega.nz/#!spNXyArB!dMpw4YYPrT9FM-LZ_ptJaIX_PQ1KvAGd9edMVvOq_oE
>MGSV Multiplayer Sign-Up Sheet
gooDOTgl/fIzMq3 (dot between o and g)
First for where do I start
First for Irish Housewife
QUIET IS A CUNT
iDOLM@STER Thread
Previous iM@S Thread: >>118548023
Archive of materials: http://www.yukipo.com/
Cinderella Girls carddex: http://cgdex.project-imas.com/
Project iM@S wiki: http://www.project-imas.com/wiki/
iDOLM@STER 2 gameplay wiki: http://imas2.wota.info/
One For All gameplay wiki: http://idolmasterofa.wikia.com
Japanese news: http://imasnews765.com/
Japanese news (translated): http://imasnews765tl.wordpress.com/
Japanese information database: http://imas-db.jp/
Japanese Million Live database: http://www.millionlive.com/ (region-locked)
Japanese SideM wiki: http://wikiwiki.jp/sidem/
Official upcoming events schedule: http://idolmaster.jp/schedule/index.php
Streaming music: http://shijou.moe/imas-radio
CG side materials translation: http://cgtranslation.blogspot.kr/
Starlight Stage guide: http://moeidolatry.com/starlight/
Starlight Stage APKs: http://fuyu.me/apk/
Please check the archive of materials if you're looking for something. If you find broken links, please mention them in the thread.
Ongoing:
October 9th to October 25th: Hibiki's Birthday Festival at The iDOLM@STER Cafe at Characo in Akihabara
September 29th to October 27th: One For All DLC Catalog 10 discount
October 1st to 31st: SideM x Cinderella Girls x Taiko no Tatsujin collaboration
October 3rd to late November: Official iDOLM@STER store in Osaka
September 29th to December 31st: The iDOLM@STER 10th ANNIVERSARY animate Fair
October 6th to December ???: Crane King/Ichiban Kuji iDOLM@STER Web Radio Lottery with Makoto's VA
October 3rd to March 29th: Official iDOLM@STER store in Chiba
September 17th to April 17th: MILLION LIVE! 3rdLIVE TOUR promotional campaign
Upcoming:
October 9th at midnight JST: Cinderella Girls anime special program "Smile History"
October 10th: Hibiki's birthday
October 12th: Million Live Heroine General Election results
October 14th: CINDERELLA GIRLS ANIMATION PROJECT 2nd Season 05
October 16th at midnight JST: Cinderella Girls anime episode 25
News post: >>118470294
Added commus for Kotoka, Honoka, and Syoko. Can be found here https://mega.nz/#F!ctk2EQbR!z1k0CaRlTCltQxJDni5EBw or the individual links below as usual.
Saionji Kotoka Commu 01
https://mega.nz/#!Qs8xjATJ!pyvQ_MKw5sfipwqLqhA3JYytvGEhYEhqxIplHWRVC60
Ayase Honoka Commu 02
https://mega.nz/#!ZwlgmCoL!43pEswzO3_c64ywmXn2leNJJU09vVrbXs8YlDFL12F0
Hoshi Syoko Commu 02
https://mega.nz/#!1k8WyBJB!1_6fF-M3fT6DG3ZT0mQXLH64WV8bOtBo-2TZaMUd1r8
>>118582141
What have you heard?
smug archer edition
Previous: >>118538095
>PSA:
- The friendlist spreadsheet has been reset. Add your servant again if you want.
>[New 400M celebration event]
http://fate-go.cirnopedia.info/news.php
>[New shop content]
The shop now has new stuff you can get with mana cubes:
- Red box contents: 4 summoning tickets, 4 exp 4*, 3 atk fous, 3 hp fous.
- Skillstone/Piece/Monument: By buying these you get a set with one item for each class (7 total).
- We have until the end of October to get these gifts, and we'll get some mana cubes every day for the next 15 days.
- We have more than one year to get the summoning tickets and the crystalized lore.
>Latest patch notes (9/23)
http://pastebin.com/EXCYV8F0
>FAQ
http://pastebin.com/G669xgbK
>Mega Pastebin
http://pastebin.com/HTrhq7Nk
>Data Spreadsheet
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WI4dKGcwWjn5XpTgfLsK8c0cipRzrWbVpiLGeVr55Ks/htmlview?sle=true
http://pastebin.com/jtxyf37T (toaster version)
>Friendlist Spreadsheet (Reset!)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1q7PleXm4aQWpc0-fvUhS-p9LMoept7nc5WtwkCUX0os
>Wiki
http://fate-go.cirnopedia.info/
>>118574772
But Gawain is still superior. Just look at that hair.
Updated prototype fragments standings
Arthur
>suffering to be continued. Still a perfect
Brynhildr
>wants the E. Still a hottest
Ozzy
>ALLAH EXCALIBAR'd. Still a gil
Hassan
>Unknown status. Probably still functional
Jekyll
>Lazer'd. Still a pile of dust
Paracelsus
>Excaliblasted. Still a scum
Arash
>ALLAH ACKBAR'd. A hero like none other
Second for Kiyohime porn.
Dueling Network General #1920
Star wars edition edition
Last Thread >>118477945
New and need a deck or want to learn how to play? Check this pastebin:
http://pastebin.com/7Ek4GFUW (embed)
DN: http://www.duelingnetwork.com/
Ygopro: http://www.ygopro.co/download.aspx
Ygopro (Salvation): http://ygopro.us/
DN is an flash simulator.
YGOPro is an automated simulator.
Salvation is an simulator that updates with new cards a day or so after they are revealed (other simulators typically take much longer to update), but suffers from several bugs.
Devpro is another simulator, with laggy and unstable servers that lack an competitive ladder.
All are free to play.
The Official /dng/'s ruling test can be found here:
https://testmoz.com/466984
BEFORE ASKING TO BE SPOON-FED, TRY THE FOLLOWING:
● Read carefully the cards.
● Lurk and carefully read the archives.
● Try and keep your deck as close to 40 cards as possible, including 3 copies of Upstart Goblin where appropriate. This increases dramatically your chances of drawing the cards you need.
● Google your Deck before you post it here. If your deck is/was competitive it will probably have topped an event.
● Most Yu-Gi-Oh! Games have an option between Singles (Self explanatory, a single Game) and Matches (Best of 3). It is recommended that you play Matches, as Singles does not teach you how to use your Side Deck.
● Remember to play-test constantly and try suggestions before you discard them, even if someone recommends a weird tech choice.
You're all shit.
Why are all the husbando material cards so trash?
>>118560883
>starting new thread with a shit card that won't see play at more than 1 copy
dorp is my favourite girl edition
>Latest news
- Smoke battlestaff buff
- Some shitty updates announced at RuneFest
- The Abyssal Shitter
- New Animations & Barbarian Assault Changes
- Dev Blog: Halloween 2015
- Skillcape perks dev blog released
- Content Poll #36: Skilling Pets
- Angler's outfit and another Slayer expansion
>I haven't played in months, what did I miss?
http://services.runescape.com/m=forum/forums.ws?380,381,thd,136,65546107
>/RS07/ Infodoc (READ BEFORE ASKING QUESTIONS)
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1--e4eVMtEgoyUJUoxyFNFIuXJO2CR_y_YzElBUa9UgA/pub
>/RS07/ Highscores and XP Tracker
http://rs07g.com/
>Prices
https://rsbuddy.com/exchange/
>Plug DJ
https://plug.dj/rs07g/
>Communication
Home World: 327
Clan Chat: OSG
ERP Chat: Lewd
Mumble: aaathats3as.com
Website: http://oldschool.runescape.com/oldschool_index
https://twitter.com/OldSchoolRS - https://twitter.com/JagexMatK - https://twitter.com/JagexAsh
https://twitter.com/JagexJohnC - https://twitter.com/JagexRonan - https://twitter.com/JagexArchie
https://twitter.com/Jagex_Ghost - https://twitter.com/Jagex_Ian - https://twitter.com/JagexWeath
https://twitter.com/JagexAlfred - https://twitter.com/JagexMaz - https://twitter.com/JagexKieren
xth for tolerance be kind to all trannies
>>118518378
i think they prefer to be called traps
Kill or Be Killed Edition
Previous Thread >>119161580
> The Game
http://store.steampowered.com/app/391540/
> The Game's Demo
http://undertale.com/demo.htm
> /utg/ Booru
http://under.booru.org/
> /utg/ Writebin
http://pastebin.com/UCr5qFpc
> /utg/ Steam Group
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/undertalegen
Ch-Ch-Ch-Ch-Shitposting!
booby
I wannadatedoggo!
Master Stealth Edition
>Fallout 4 facts and speculations (Stop asking questions that can easily be answered with google or with link below)
http://pastebin.com/bYVyGttW
ALL MEGA LINKS ARE DEAD
>/fog/ Asset and Mod Repository (Mods, Rips, etc):
http://pastebin.com/q5ryvSZc
>VGU (Rips):
http://pastebin.com/v1adFSwj
http://pastebin.com/S2eDehza
>General Information, Recommendations, Run Ideas, etc:
http://pastebin.com/8JVSmK0b
>Tinker with parts of the new leveling system:
Vault111.com
>Countdown until release
http://fo4countdown.com/
Pre-war thread: >>118575725
First for love beyond death.
1ST FOR JOIN MULTIPLE FACTIONS VYING FOR POWER.
>>118654494
Okay, treat me like someone with 3 points in intelligence and explain to me how BoS are the good guys or generally not villains. Take as many paragraphs as you need.
Next-gen Piss Edition
>Fallout 4 facts and speculations (Stop asking questions that can easily be answered with google or with link below)
http://pastebin.com/bYVyGttW (embed)
ALL MEGA LINKS ARE DEAD
>/fog/ Asset and Mod Repository (Mods, Rips, etc):
http://pastebin.com/q5ryvSZc (embed)
>VGU (Rips):
http://pastebin.com/v1adFSwj (embed)
http://pastebin.com/S2eDehza (embed)
>General Information, Recommendations, Run Ideas, etc:
http://pastebin.com/8JVSmK0b (embed)
>Tinker with parts of the new leveling system:
Vault111.com
>Countdown until release
http://fo4countdown.com/
Pre-war thread: >>118654576
>>118702536
Man, I always forget the embeds. Well tough shit.
WHERE TO NEXT FGTS!
>>118702515
Could be worse. According to http://imgur.com/a/UNKmT Ubi just released HOMM7 with no disc at all and lied about it. At least MGS5 got a frisbee out of the deal.
H-Games General #623
worksafe edition
Welcome, this general is for the discussion of 2D/3D H-Games/ Eroge/ Nukige/ Hentai RPG/ Hentai Action Games. Some popular games like Corruption of Champions (CoC), Rance/Alicesoft, Monster Girl Quest, the Klub17 (search on /t/), and Artificial Academy 2 (/aa2g/) have their own generals already, so please post about them there instead!
Due to the demise of /vhg/, Violated Heroine is welcome to be discussed here.
INSTALL ALL RPG MAKER RUN TIME PACKAGES (RTP) IF YOU PLAN TO PLAY RPG MAKER GAMES, AND STOP COMING HERE BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE WRONG ONE INSTALLED.
COPY ERROR MESSAGES WITH CTRL+C, PASTE THEM WITH CTRL+V INTO GOOGLE TRANSLATE. STOP ASKING US BEFORE DOING THAT.
Use web OCR to get kanji of error messages:
http://www.newocr.com/
http://www.i2ocr.com/free-online-japanese-ocr
Please pay your respects to our matron saint, Julie d'Aubigny.
>If you have to ask, it's not translated.
>Please REPORT and IGNORE blatant shitposting
>NEWCOMERS GUIDE (READ BEFORE POSTING):
http://pastebin.com/AysLkV9K
>Machine Translation Guide:
http://pastebin.com/i6k9krCP
>Recommended Games:
http://pastebin.com/8hPUL7qC
>/hgg/ Nukige Catalog:
http://pastebin.com/N9vKYre6
>/hgg/ Gotw Catalog:
http://pastebin.com/yjgK7yK4
>VH Pastebin:
http://pastebin.com/Jm3Wrucc
Previous thread:
>>118376023
Games pending release:
>[Eternal] 剣聖機 アルファライド (Kenseki ALPHARIDE) - 2015/10/23
http://www.getchu.com/soft.phtml?id=796625
http://www.eternal-will.jp/alpharide/
>[CLOCKUP] Maggot baits (マゴット ベイツ) - 2015/11/27
http://clockup.net/maggotbaits/index.html
http://www.getchu.com/soft.phtml?id=867581
>[ninetail] GEARS of DRAGOON 2 ~黎明のフラグメンツ~ (GEARS of DRAGOON 2 -Reimei no Fragment-) - 2015/12/18
http://www.getchu.com/soft.phtml?id=865112
http://ninetailDOTtk/tn05/GEARSofDRAGOON2.html
>[Softhouse Chara] その古城に勇者砲あり! (Sono kojō ni yūsha-hō ari!) - 2015/12/18
http://www.getchu.com/soft.phtml?id=872037
http://shchara.co.jp/04develop/yuusha/0top.html
Games recently released:
>[KISS] カスタムメイド3D2 (Custom Maid 3D 2) - 2015/07/24
http://www.kisskiss.tv/cm3d2/
http://www.getchu.com/soft.phtml?id=853835
Download: www.anime-sharing.com/forum/torrents-47/5-386087/
Maid Database: http://no-info.no-ip.info/cm3d2/index.html
Pastebin: https://pastebin.com/beUHhu3i
>[ILLUSION] Sexyビーチ プレミアムリゾート (Sexy Beach Premium Resort) - 2015/09/11
http://www.illusion.jp/preview/sb_pr/index.html
http://www.getchu.com/soft.phtml?id=85976
Download: http://sukebei.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=1816809
Character Database: http://no-info.no-ip.info/sbpr/
Pastebin: https://pastebin.com/MPAQPSNy
>[Black Lilith] 対魔忍紅 (Taimanin Kurenai) - 2015/09/25
http://www.lilith-soft.com/black/product69/
http://www.getchu.com/soft.phtml?id=858828
Download: http://sukebei.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=1826143
>>118643232
>that pic
Oh shit, it's out?
nth for catgirl harems are perfectly realistic
>INFORMATION & GUIDES
Latest patch: https://www.dota2.com/685/
New players: https://purgegamers.true.io/g/dota-2-guide/
Wiki: http://www.dota2.gamepedia.com/
Blog: http://blog.dota2.com/
Lore: http://dev.dota2.com/showthread.php?t=35923
Guides: http://steamcommunity.com/app/570/guides
Disable cosmetics: http://dota2nohats.neocities.org
Cosmetic simulator: http://d2armory.com/
Competitive Scene: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/Main_Page
>STATISTICS
Competitive DOTA 2 analysis: http://www.datdota.com/
DOTA 2 analysis: http://www.dotametrics.wordpress.com/
Personal statistics: http://www.dotabuff.com/
Personal statistics#2: http://yasp.co
Hero stats: http://www.devilesk.com/dota2/heroes/herodata/
Hero and DPS calculator: http://www.devilesk.com/dota2/apps/hero-calculator/
>NEWS & STREAMS
http://www.joindota.com/
http://www.gosugamers.net/
http://www.liquiddota.com/
livestreamer GUI: https://github.com/bastimeyer/livestreamer-twitch-gui
>BETTING
Cosmetic items: http://dota2lounge.com/
Previous Thread:>>119014323
>>119034409
Hey dude, just so you know, Dota2nohats doesn't work anymore, that's why we removed from the pasta
Alliance vs Empire, two teams who are playing two patches behind the meta in an epic battle of the has beens and retards
GUYS IM MEETING A QT IN 5 MIN TO JUST TALK N SHIT
WHAT DO I SAY, DO I ASK IF SHE PLAYS DOTA
SHE PROBABLY PLAYS DOTA RIGHT
Make a new thread already holy shit edition
All Wakfu servers are F2P besides the French server Aerafal:
http://www.wakfu.com/en/mmorpg/booster-benefits
Most cash-shop items are exchangeable. If an item is Linked (a.k.a has a red anti-circle), it cannot be traded/sold to any other character/player, including characters on the same account.
>FAQ
>What server should I play?
Nox and Phaeris are the biggest English speaking servers. Remington is NA and Phaeris is Asia/Pacific. Pick the one that fits your timezone/time of play.
>What class should I play?
All classes are worth playing, pick what you like, there will always be FotM but you should never be denied a place in a group because of your class.
>What nation do I join
All nations besides Riktus give same bonuses, choose what you like (unless you're into ranked PvP, in which case join the same nation as your guild).
>There's nobody around where do I go?
The starting areas of Nations are always pretty empty. If you're less than 64 solo mobs near your level, if you're 64+ ask for a group outside of Lunar Dungeon. If you're 100+ you can shout at Almanax for specific dungeon groups
>I asked in thread for something and got no reply
This is one of the slowest generals on /vg/, be patient for ask someone in-game.
>Guilds
Aydiv on Phaeris is Sufokia aligned - http://steamcommunity.com/groups/aydiv
House of Night on Nox is a normie guild accepting anyone desperate to play on Nox.
Sad Pandas & Oasis on Remington may or may not be open I'm not sure I'm just making the thread.
Post here with IGN and Server name for guild or party invites. Quote the OP for best results.
>Info
pastebin.com/z4pQNHBG (embed) - Wakfu Info Center
wakfu.com/en/mmorpg/news/announcements/431353-phaeris-moving-our-community - APAC migration info
www.wakfu.com/en/mmorpg/news/announcements/443265-moon-island-coming-29th-september - Upcoming Update
First for best trophy wife.
>>118332473
>Sad Pandas & Oasis on Remington may or may not be open I'm not sure I'm just making the thread.
Oasis is OPEN and active. Currently has members of all ranges of levels.
So how many people banned so far?
Magical Girls edition
>MGO3 Info
http://www.konami.jp/mgs5/tpp/en/online/index.php5
>NEW PLAYER GUIDE
http://i.imgur.com/K9rvfa4.jpg
>MGSV SPOILER FILTER
http://pastebin.com/5eiauTjG
>STEAM GROUP
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/metalgeargeneral
>ADD PEOPLE TO PLAY PEACE WALKER WITH
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Au5Ixaye51LcdElEN0hRM3dOcGJyTFdyY3k3RmFnZVE#gid=07
>ARCHIVED THREADS
http://archive.moe/vg/search/subject/%2Fmgg%2F/type/op/
>TRAILERS AND PLAYTHROUGHS
http://pastebin.com/WBBe5k16
>/mgg/ ONEDRIVE FOLDER
https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=65254E4C501EDAEF!4116&authkey=!AMDti9C9NNjfhT8&ithint=folder%2cxlsx
>LISTS AND OTHER DOWNLOADS
http://pastebin.com/V3egDzKa
>TPP MUSIC, TAPES, & RADIO FILES
https://mega.nz/#!R5UFwByS!aPuM4_DuBugoFAEV7KHsWYeG9z6EJzzF2LBUuy2PgSM
>MGSV TPP ANIMAL LOCATIONS
http://imgur.com/a/jb2ji
>/mgg/ FLASH LIST
http://pastebin.com/1N93Dngi
>PERFORMANCE AND VISUALS TWEAKS/MODS
http://pastebin.com/NDHwc4vJ
>METAL GEAR 1 & 2 MANUAL FAN-TRANSLATION
MG1:https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B1Ev0h6J50-NfmJCbGRTYmJjM2dNVHFGRjRzN2ZESVBlNGJaeDVyVnJ2UVAwWFByZklPVHc&usp=sharing
MG2:https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B1Ev0h6J50-Nfjk4MjBsaGlvSGF2dThfWG9tMUI4ZEhFdjZEbDA4aW43Wi1EcGctclUwdzg&usp=sharing
>GROUND ZEROES MAX SETTINGS MOD
http://www.nexusmods.com/metalgearsolidv/mods/11/?
>INFO ON MOVIE TIME
https://docs.google.com/document/d/17CC71ca3Ak8hD3znRX5w05rSytOw6rIU6Xmtlt259AU/pub
>EDITED AND CLEANED TAPES FROM MGSPW AND MGSV:GZ, PLUS SONGS
https://mega.nz/#!spNXyArB!dMpw4YYPrT9FM-LZ_ptJaIX_PQ1KvAGd9edMVvOq_oE
>MGSV Multiplayer Sign-Up Sheet
gooDOTgl/fIzMq3 (dot between o and g)
First for Quiet is best girl
Based fucking Joost lads
All this waifu postingfills my inner void with warmthtbhkeep it upplease
give up edition
Last Thread: >>118654704
> The Game
http://store.steampowered.com/app/391540/
> The Game's Demo
http://undertale.com/demo.htm
> /utg/ Booru
http://under.booru.org/
> /utg/ Writebin
http://pastebin.com/UCr5qFpc
> /utg/ Steam Group
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/undertalegenn.com/UCr5qFpc
bepis
nth for doggo's thick poz cream
gentle adult Asriel pozzing
Tem is the worst edition
Last Thread: >>118640267
> The Game
http://store.steampowered.com/app/391540/
> The Game's Demo
http://undertale.com/demo.htm
> /utg/ Booru
http://under.booru.org/
> /utg/ Writebin
http://pastebin.com/UCr5qFpc
> /utg/ Steam Group
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/undertalegenn.com/UCr5qFpc
1st for Mettaton
>>118654704
2nd forworshipping
who /laying on the floor feeling like garbage/ heresomeone rec me some good spooktunes
Chillin' Edition
Last Thread: >>118629624
> The Game
http://store.steampowered.com/app/391540/
> The Game's Demo
http://undertale.com/demo.htm
> /utg/ Booru
http://under.booru.org/
> /utg/ Writebin
http://pastebin.com/UCr5qFpc
> /utg/ Steam Group
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/undertalegen
nth for literally eating shit
first for MIDI
http://picosong.com/SxPE/
Secondfor hard mode when.