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Master Stealth Edition

>Fallout 4 facts and speculations (Stop asking questions that can easily be answered with google or with link below)
http://pastebin.com/bYVyGttW

ALL MEGA LINKS ARE DEAD
>/fog/ Asset and Mod Repository (Mods, Rips, etc):
http://pastebin.com/q5ryvSZc
>VGU (Rips):
http://pastebin.com/v1adFSwj
http://pastebin.com/S2eDehza

>General Information, Recommendations, Run Ideas, etc:
http://pastebin.com/8JVSmK0b

>Tinker with parts of the new leveling system:
Vault111.com

>Countdown until release
http://fo4countdown.com/

Pre-war thread: >>118575725
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First for love beyond death.
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1ST FOR JOIN MULTIPLE FACTIONS VYING FOR POWER.
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>>118654494
Okay, treat me like someone with 3 points in intelligence and explain to me how BoS are the good guys or generally not villains. Take as many paragraphs as you need.
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>>118654595
....what the fuck are you talking about....
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>>118654698

Ehh, still would. That ass just won't quit.
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nth for best faction.
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>>118654796
That's not the Institute.
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First for console edition will be shit.
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>>118654705

Oh nice, I had missed that somehow.
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xth for no one using my sick meme
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what are some must have mods/patches for fallout 2?
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>>118655047
How?
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>tfw you hear randall's voice right when you enter Frosthill
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>>118655103
Teddy bear guy got ripped off, that fan could have made for a nice bludgeoning object.
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>>118655103
Your an abortion of science tbh, end youreself!
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>>118655160
can't make your own mods
no mod organizer
no grafix mods
worse grafix
no loverslab / jap mod blogs support
FPS with controller
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>>118655160
No real mods, dumbed down creation kit..
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>>118655438
>mod organizer
You mean no WRYE BASH?
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>>118655438
>can't make your own mods
Don't see the problem
>no mod organizer
Same
>no grafix mods
Not everyone needs to immerse themselves in a game so much that they forget what the outside world looks like
>worse grafix
Look above
>no loverslab / jap mod blogs support
Don't really care
>FPS with controller
What are preferences
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>>118655740

No script extenders or any other 3rd party tools etc. either, which is bigger than rest of his points combined.
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>>118655740
those are objective reasons, just because you don't care about this stuff doesn't mean it's not a worse experience for many people
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>>118655740
Dude just accept it.
No need to defend it.
You're getting less.
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>>118655917
>those are objective reasons
That is literally all that I read.
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>>118655905
We'll just have to wait and see... Who knows... All this is speculation...
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>>118655703

WB does file virtualization now? Oh, it doesn't? Too bad then, it loses.

>>118656048

No need to wait, Sony and especially MS won't ever allow it.
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>>118656101
30 Mordrys
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>>118656037
glad you realized you were wrong so quickly
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>>118656189
>file virtualization
>I'm too much of an ADHD child and NEED to play with multiple different mod setups all at one time!
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30 Morays
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>>118656189
I'm genuinely looking forward to seeing what they do allow.

Modders are clever. Give 'em a set of limitations and- well, a handful of them will make magic happen, the rest will flood the market with memes and god-items.

But that handful will be breaking new ground for consoles. I might be PC master race but I'm excited as a gamer.
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>>118655438
>no loverslab / jap mod blogs support
The only one I actually care about.
So where is your proof?
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>>118656189
you can though, might not be one click like MOtards need, but the functionality is there
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>>118656448
>proof
if you honestly believe they will allow third party stuff i don't know what to say
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>>118655528
There's no creation kit for consoles. PC only.
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Should I buy a new laptop to run Fallout 4 or get an XBone? I've played all the Fallout games except for 1 and Tactics. I don't really game anymore but Fallout 4 has me hyped. This wouldn't even be a question if XBone didn't have mod capabilities. But since it will and I doubt I could find a laptop for under $400 that can run it I am at a crossroads on what to do.
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Laptops are shit and not meant for gaming. Either get a proper desktop and wallow in console filth.

Laptops suck.
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>>118656967
>I don't really game anymore
Don't do either. Wait for it to come out, play it at a friend's house and make sure you're actually interested. Buying a game system based on hype is like drunk texting an ex.
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>>118656967
>laptop
I don't even.
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>>118656967
You don't play any games at all? What else do you think you would use it for? Would you get more utility out of the longterm or are you already set up with a macbook/workhorse machine?
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>>118657050
Well that would probably run me past $500 wouldn't it? There is only so much I am willing to invest for this game.
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>>118657050
>and

or*
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>>118657182

Yeah you should never buy any system just for one game, no matter what the game. Just go with whatever you think you'd make the best use out of, but please don't buy a laptop for gaming.
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>>118657413
This. And it's not even that much more expensive than a console. The 750ti beats the shit out of even the PS4 performance-wise and you could link it up to your TV to use it as a media center.

http://www.logicalincrements.com/
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>>118657087
Yeah you're probably right. I just have a strong urge to buy it on day 1.

>>118657096
>>118657112
>>118657389
>>118657413

I should have prefaced it by saying I need a new laptop anyways. It wouldn't just be for gaming. If I buy a console though I can get a much cheaper laptop for work/internet purposes. My current laptop is good enough for New Vegas + 3 with plenty of mods on both. I am a very casual gamer at this point. Besides Fallout I occasionally mess around with Age of Empires HD and some games from the Total War series but that's about it. I see the utility of a console also because I could use it as a blu ray player/Netflix. But I can just as easily plug an HDMI into a new laptop for that too.

Will console mods really be garbage? Im not into the pervy stuff so I don't think the content restrictions will impact me at all. Im more concerned that the mods that fix shortcommings the game has, which almost certainly will be needed, won't be available if I get an XBone.
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>>118656883
Sauce?
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>>118654698
>implying she won't be a synth
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>>118657782
>Sauce?

Todd Howard.
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>>118657937
No, anon. You are the synth.
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>>118657782
https://twitter.com/DCDeacon/status/646411463452659712
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>>118658137
Better start finding friends on PC...
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I'm going to use a controller on the pc version.
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>>118657713
Too many unknowns. Based on your gaming preferences I'd say the laptop is a better bet, just because I can't imagine playing an RTS with a gamepad, but the kind of lappie you'd need to run FO4 is going to blow out your budget and be overkill for everything else you're doing. If those are your only options, the console is more practical, even if it ends up nothing but a very expensive media player.

But again, don't do shit until you're out of hype mode.
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>>118654705
stupid question but where is that from
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>>118658575

Someone just added the official retailer description (Steam, for example) to a random pic-

DESCRIPTION:

Bethesda Game Studios, the award-winning creators of Fallout 3 and The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim, welcome you to the world of Fallout 4 – their most ambitious game ever, and the next generation of open-world gaming.

As the sole survivor of Vault 111, you enter a world destroyed by nuclear war. Every second is a fight for survival, and every choice is yours. Only you can rebuild and determine the fate of the Wasteland. Welcome home.


KEY FEATURES:

Freedom and Liberty!
Do whatever you want in a massive open world with hundreds of locations, characters, and quests. Join multiple factions vying for power or go it alone, the choices are all yours.

You’re S.P.E.C.I.A.L!
Be whoever you want with the S.P.E.C.I.A.L. character system. From a Power Armored soldier to the charismatic smooth talker, you can choose from hundreds of Perks and develop your own playstyle.

Super Deluxe Pixels!
An all-new next generation graphics and lighting engine brings to life the world of Fallout like never before. From the blasted forests of the Commonwealth to the ruins of Boston, every location is packed with dynamic detail.

Violence and V.A.T.S.!
Intense first or third person combat can also be slowed down with the new dynamic Vault-Tec Assisted Targeting System (V.A.T.S) that lets you choose your attacks and enjoy cinematic carnage.

Collect and Build!
Collect, upgrade, and build thousands of items in the most advanced crafting system ever. Weapons, armor, chemicals, and food are just the beginning - you can even build and manage entire settlements.
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>>118658812
Bethesda's marketing department.
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Does anybody have good concepts of sexy power armor?

I'd like to get started on what will probably be my first mod for Fallout 4 early.

I know I want to do something with power armor, but I'm having trouble coming up with a design I like that matches the new animation style of PA.
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>>118658137
This seems logical.
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>>118658982

Shit meant to reply to >>118658812

>>118659015

How bulky are you thinking? Similar to the vanilla ones we've seen, smaller, or wh40k-tier hulkroidrage?
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Just one more month until I can end this pathetic faction and steal their hats.
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>>118659513
And some people want this shitter as a companion.
He let 15 people die in just a few short weeks.
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>>118659513
The one good thing about the Minutemen is he seems to be the only cosplayer. Everyone else is dressed more sensibly.
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>>118659513
>Implying they won't be essential.
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>>118659942
those aren't minutemen, those are refugees from Quincy he was escorting.
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>>118658118
That's a red herring.

Dogmeat is a Synth, and he has your infant son's brain and is secretly head of the Institute.
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>>118659942
>Overalls.
>Tool belt.

I hope that outfit's not unique, because I want it.
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>>118658982
ohhhhh nice thanks
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>>118660028
And he's letting a random refugee use his terminal? Checking his email?
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>>118656245

>30 Mortys
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>>118660201
That's probably one of the generic wasteland outfits you'll find on every jackass hobo in the wild.

>>118660229
Anon is right, if you read the leaked script it sounds like they are just refugees not minutemen. Either way, they're all dead in my play through.
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>>118660229
Uhh, they were hold up there, thats not his base or anything.
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>>118659883
Preach it, brother!

Though, maybe Preston wasn't the shot-caller until recently...
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>>118660425
Oh. Fair 'nuff.
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>>118660407
Hopefully it is. It's almost perfect for an Engineer play-through.
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>>118660407
How much of that script is there?
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>>118660749
You're looking at it. It wasn't the script that got leaked so much as the sound test for prospective voice actors, which it turns out was cribbed from the script.
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>>118660749
Just those two pages.
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>>118660974
heh, wonder if that means the husbando is locked into the vet role and the waifu must be the lawyer, never vice versa.
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>>118661137
Who knows. The voiceover work began years ago, a lot could have changed since then.
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>>118661314
Anything is possible, but the male VA has already talked about saying The Line ("war, war never changes"), so we know he at least did the line delivery as presented.
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>>118659980
He may not be essential until you either accept the quest or get him as a companion.
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>>118661489
That seems to have been only for the auditions though.

We clearly hear Ron Pearlman saying the line in the trailer.
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>>118661489
>>118661657
Brain did say the Audition was the bit of script with "War...War never changes" in it.
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>>118661657
I could argue "of course we did, it's the trailer", but honest truth is, I don't know that I'd recognize Ron from Brian off those four words alone.
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>>118661894
Ron was speaking the whole trailer, he was the TV reporter guy we see in the E3 videos as well, the one talking about confirmed reports of nukes in Pennsylvania and New York.
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>>118661894
oh you would.

Ron just has a way with that fucking line.
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>>118661894
They have very distinct voices, unless Brian was asked to do an impersonation I don't see them as so easily confused.

>>118662017
I thought the reporter was a different actor.
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>>118662087
nope, Reporter is Ron.
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>>118659942
>he thinks those are Minutemen
Not very bright are you.


Course I could tell that from how you like to say "cosplayer" every thread in reference to Preston or the Minutemen.
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>>118659980
Companions are only essential when they are following you.
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>>118662756
>find dogmeat
>refuse to take him as a companion
>kill him as he walks away
I hope so, but I doubt it.
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>>118663558
I recall Todd being rather clear about it.
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>>118655740
>"Duh, I dun care"
Ignorance is bliss.
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Was he right, /fog/?
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>>118658137
So PCfags make the mods, and consolefags leech off of them? I hope it'll be possibly to flag your mods so that consolebabies can't use them. I'm not putting in that work and effort just to have them piggyback off of it.
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>>118663876
Yes.
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>>118663891
have it require a script extender in some nefarious way or other and you're set
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>>118663876
Yes, like anyone else that ever dared to dream of a bigger future he had to turn his back on the BoS.
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>>118663612
>set up companions as leaders of all settlements
>settlements get attacked by raiders
>all companions in the vanilla game die and you're forced to play solo
I hope so, but I doubt it.
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>>118663891
make it use ridiculous UltraHD textures or have it conflict with the most popular mod on consoles then let them download it. Let them waste a few hours trying to figure out why their game suddenly runs like ass. You know none of them will be careful enough to install a mod, then test.
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>>118664281
It's your own fault then for sucking at building defences.
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>>118664414
Yes, Todd, I'm sure the AI will utilise the static defences of the settlements perfectly
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>>118664569
I mean turrets.

Lots and lots of turrets.

Also big walls and as few entrances as possible.
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>>118663876

More right than the "Stick the baby in hole in the ground filled with rusty sheet metal and no toys and somehow this will make a cure" rebels
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post a pic that you will base your armor/look off of

Death Korps of Krieg
>dat coat
>dat 2 tone mask
>dat everything
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>>118664281
>forced to play solo
There's an perk set for playing without companions, I think you'll be okay.
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>>118664569
Well, it also look like the raider AI when attacking was shit tier.
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>>118664661
>I mean turrets
Yes, static defences.
That doesn't guarantee that your village won't just run out to greet the raiders.

My guess is that you'll have to wall the retards in to save them from their own AI.
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>>118658137
>It has nothing to do with hardware
PFfftahaha
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Some of you profligates are alright. Don't go to Nipton tomorrow if you're in south nevada.

News will reach Novac by tomorrow
.
see you space ghouls
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>>118664942
Bethesda has Microsoft's dick in their mouths. It's smart for him not to insult their shitty products.
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>>118664942
I find it funny he calls the next gen consoles under powered when, according to Steam user statistics, the majority of PC users have lower specs then the consoles.
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>>118665235
What makes you think he's one of them?
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>>118665235
Steam is free and has a wide range of available games.
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>>118663891
>I hope it'll be possibly to flag your mods so that consolebabies can't use them.
PC Master Race Elitism at it's finest. :^)
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>>118665036
Gary... Um, wha? Gary? Gaarry....
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>>118663891
>I hope it'll be possibly to flag your mods so that consolebabies can't use them.
just put them on the nexus instead of steam or w/e they'll use
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>>118665476
Don't like it? Get a PC ;)
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>>118665686
I have one.
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>>118665858
Then stop crying Gaylord.
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>>118665858
>970
how do you like your gimped graphics card?
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>>118665946
AMD shill pls
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>>118665946
Not him, but I have a 970 and it's fine. The benchmarks I bought it for haven't gone anywhere. Dick move on nvidia's part though.
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>>118665946
It's not so bad. The 3.5GB VRAM thing kinda sucks, but it works well enough.
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>>118665946
>still better than amd due to drivers
how does it feel to get cucked so hard
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>>118666212
I have a Nvidia card you twit.
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>>118664692
Looks dumb.

NCR Rangers are better.
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>>118666290
And here comes the damage control.
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>>118665946
How do you like using stale memes for technology you don't really understand?
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>>118666415
>pointing out you made a baseless assumption is damage control
uh huh
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>>118666657
No, I don't want to buy AMD, go shill somewhere else.
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>>118666415
Feel free to fire out more jew macro images or whatever the fuck memes.

Feels great to be financially and technologically superior to you.
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>>118667117
I said I don't care about AMD, I dont want to buy your shitty cards, fuck off.
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>>118667205
Anon, those are dual NVIDIA GTX980s.
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>>118664692

World War I uniforms are so fucking cool.

On a related note, I deeply regret image searching "World War I Soldier"

Facial wounds are not pleasant.
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>>118667117
>16 gigs of ram
for what purpose?
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>>118667251
I keep telling you, I'm not buying your AMD shit so you might as well just leave. Go shill on /g/ or something.
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>>118667117
>60C

Why is that one card running so much hotter?
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>>118667364
Rendering and editing 4k slow-mo 60fps videos either from in-game captures or off of my go-pro
>>118667434
Because I'm currently playing a shitty unoptimized game that doesn't support SLI, so it just throttles one card, not both.
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>>118667556
>Rendering and editing 4k slow-mo 60fps videos either from in-game captures or off of my go-pro
Ok, that makes sense.
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>>118667556
>SLI

Isn't that the case for most games? What motivated you to go SLI?
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>>118664692
Did you say die for the emperor?
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>tfw 1GB 7770

maybe I'll be able to get 30 FPS at very low settings, right guys?
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>>118667767
Make the upgrade to AMD™!
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>>118667684
^I have this same question.

Most games I know of don't really support SLI.
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>>118667767
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Y1es5BzTZE You might need some lube.
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I hope my main man Desmond will be in Fallout 4
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>>118668037
>>118667767
I had a Core 2 Quad 6600 @ 2.4Ghz, 4GB DDR2 and a 5770, recent games ran just fine. Not maxed out or on high settings, but medium at 1080p run great actually.

Should I go for a GTX 970 or R9 390? 390 is cheaper on my country mind you.
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>>118668379
I'd say 970, but I'm an nvidia fanboy. Per https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEiknMpglao they're virtually identical.
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>>118663891

You give us PC Fags a terrible name. Hurr durr console babbies. You sound like a 14 year old that just got here. Lurk moar. Please.
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>>118668336
Thank you for the answer. That does look great. What kind of work do you do?
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>PC gets mods for free
>consoles get access to Bethesda approved mods that are under 150MB, limited to a list of 10, as long as you have paid the $9.99/month subscription fee

post yfw
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>>118668830
Mad console fag detected.
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>>118668830
>Wanting to get cucked by consolefags
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>>118668379
either one works considering the similar output, if you are trying to save money get the cheaper card m8.

also you need more memory
>4gb DDR2
you need 8 total
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>>118668960
That was my old rig. I'm on a way better PC now, thank Todd.
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>>118669167
For a living, I assumed it was related to the rig since you mentioned video editing and rendering.
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>>118669252
Nah, It's my go-to hobby to relax and have fun with. I sometimes film outdoors-y shit and make everything look pretty with 360 pans and whatnot, or film a friend's party, stuff like that, but not in any professional format.

I'm a Botanist / Horticulture expert.
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>MFW I can finally mod New Vegas with the sprint mod
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>>118668942

No, just a guy with a PC that isn't an asshole. I actually was loved as a child unlike you. It's okay anon, I still love you.
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>>118669541
See:
>>118668948
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Everyone post their jobs/weekly income

>Customer service rep
>$700 per week
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>>118669498
How were you having trouble?
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>>118669646
>N/A
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>>118669620

Wanting someone else to be happy doesn't make you a cuck. I know life is hard being 14 big guy. But you can do. Okay?
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>>118669646
Costumer Serviçe for a Large Clothing Retailer
25 Hours Weekly.
500€

I majored in IT...
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>>118669646

Account supervisor. $625 a week before they rape me on taxes.

Seriously, I can be the only one that looks at my check every week and thinks of all the money they are taking. I know it's pointless to dwell on, but damn
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>>118669646
I work in a supermarket parking lot.

$900 a month, but irregular in that it can be more, or less.
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So I've looked vigorously and I can't seem to find a mod that removes the dizzy vision impairment effect that using Fixer gives you.

Do an of you happen to know of a mod that would just remove the visual effect when you take a Fixer?
It's fucking annoying as hell.
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>>118669773
New as fuck to dealing with files on PC.

It's all good now.

spent the last 4 days modding the game.

Nothing too demanding though, because toaster.

>>118669951
>raped on taxes
that's how they get you man
fucking shame too.
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>>118669797
>I make my wife happy by letting her get fucked by BIG BLACK COCKS while I watch, that doesn't make me a cuck!
lmao okay

Nah fuck consolefags, they're responsible for shit like this.
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>>118669951
I do too. I've only been allowed to work overtime on a weekend once and I can see why. Pays like a trip to the Sierra Madre.
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>>118670025

I know it! I'm fine with paying them but Jesus leave some meat on the bone for me.
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>>118669646
Data Entry Gig
850$ after taxes bi-weekly
Also got a 2k bonus recently for makine some shitty scripts to make my job easier.
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>>118670025
uh... okay... want help? I can make your game run super fast... and you'll be able to add a little more if you like
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>>118669646
>Medicinal Marijuana Grower
>28,750$ per week
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>>118670000
Winners don't use drugs.

>>118665858
Incredibly similar to my own setup with the exception of the fact that I have a Core 2 Extreme X 9650 @ 3.00 GHz.

Now that I've seen the specs for Fallout 4, I'm wondering if I should fork out for an i7 or keep using the same processor I always have.
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>>118670000
Make it yourself faglord.
My memory is a little fuzzy, but that should be attributed to an imagespace modifier. There's a bunch of them, and what they do is create post-processing effects that get called up upon their respective triggers. If you can find that one, there should be a way to remove it or alter it in the GECK.
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A year after Fallout 4 releases, what will be the top 5 most downloaded mods on the F4 Nexus?
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>>118670069
Not him but
>fuck consolefags they're responsible for shit like this

Well I assumed a knowledgeable PC Master Race anon would realize that MODDERS CAN FIX that on PC
But no you feel the need to be a dick to people on an anonymous Vietnamese papyrus board.

tl;dr stfu
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>>118669646
I'm uh... between jobs right now...
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>>118670254
I will accept any help you're offering that guy because even with my computer being semi-decent I can't get New Vegas to run well.
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>>118670367
A mandatory UI overhaul and 4 unofficial patches for the base game and DLC
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>>118670145

Unfortunately I'm salary now. Which isn't bad, I get one week off per month. On top of 20 vacation days. So I can't complain to bad.
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>>118670391
>Having to fix things that consoles ruined
>Letting them come in and take my fix
Get fucked.
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>>118670367
A mod that removes the critical hit trigger icon. That thing is an eyesore.
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>>118669646

>Technician for company that makes mining explosives
>about 900 dollars per week after taxes/benefits.

It's alright. It's mostly travel during the week. Rare occasion where I actually sleep in my own bed.
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>>118670523
Hey bud, no need to be harsh. They are just games. Don't have to take them so seriously. We all love you bro.
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>>118670523
>implying you can use a FOSE on PS4 and Xbone
>implying a UI fix will be allowed on console without breaking the game on said console without a FOSE
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>>118670645
So you're a Powder Ganger
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>>118669646
>School bus attendant
>$900 a month
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>>118670646
>They are just games. Don't have to take them so seriously
Then you wont mind if you make my mods PC only :)
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>>118670695

You eyeballin' me?
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>>118670367
>tits
>unlimited PA usage
>hardcore mode, likely coupled with a combat rebalance
>removing all the animated vault boys
>original Nuka-Cola bottle replacer
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>>118670691
>Implying Bethesda wont try and instill platform parity on mods, disallowing any mods or third-party software that wont work on consoles
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>>118670564
Fucking a-men to that.
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>>118670806
>havok physics boobies with '50s belle in the memory den

muh dick
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>>118670478
to start take a look at these and download any that seem simple enough to install and then tell me which you need help with.

http://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/53635/?

http://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/34832/?

http://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/45475/?

http://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/55061/?

http://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/51871/?

There may be more, just let me know when you're done. note that many of these will likely sacrifice some of your visuals, but believe me it's usually unnoticeable.
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>>118670367

BetterDialogueUI
WillowF4 Edition
ModConfigMenu
Shitty Female face retex that came out week 1 so it has the most endorsements
HD Texture pack
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>>118670367
I'm willing to bet a fix for the shitty dialog wheel.
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>>118670879
>they'll force something on the PC crowd

Remember when we had to pay for Skyrim Mods, Oh wait you don't because that got removed when enough people bitched

Bethesda isn't perfect, but fuck you if you think they could pull that off with absolutely no complaints.
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>>118670712

Not at all friend. But let console friends find their own way. No need to drag them down.
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>>118671065
>Oh wait you don't because that got removed when enough people bitched
By Valve, not Bethesda.
Bethesda have even said that they're still going to try paid mods again. This time it's going to be on their own Steam-like service so that Valve can't stop them.
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>>118669646
Washroom head/supervisor at a commercial laundry.
$684.80 per week pre-tax
Looking at my payslip it still lists me as an assistant despite the fact I've been running it for ~6 months.
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>>118671204
If they want mods they can make it themselves.
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>>118671219

Nigga they never said anything like that and the removal of the service was in agreement by both companies.
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>>118671219
> they're still going to try paid mods again. This time it's going to be on their own Steam-like service so that Valve can't stop them

Citation needed mane

Seriously grasping at straws now
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>>118670367
>rick owens
hehe
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>>118671427
They talked about Bethesda.net being a content distribution hub during E3. It's probably going to be needed to auth DLC and also serve as a way to distribute mods.
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>>118671386
>>118671427
Seriously?

>In an interview with GameSpot , Bethesda exec Pete Hines revisited the Skyrim paid mods controversy and shared some of his plans to give paid mods another shot. However, Hines confirmed that the Skyrim paid mods situation will definitely have to wait until Bethesda ships Fallout 4 , due this November 2015

Source: http://www.idigitaltimes.com/bethesda-plans-revisit-skyrim-paid-mods-after-fallout-4-459131

>Just days after paid mods were introduced to the Skyrim Workshop, Valve pulled them down, saying in a statement, "It's become clear we didn't know exactly what we were doing." Now, Bethesda's Pete Hines, whom you may remember as the featured speaker at the company's first-ever E3 event last month, has shed new light on the situation and what the publisher might do next. Hines would like to see paid mods return, but stopped short of making any promises.

Source: http://www.gamespot.com/articles/bethesda-talks-skyrims-paid-mods-controversy/1100-6428952/

Straight from the mouth of Pete Hines himself.
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>>118671386
They'll open with doom mods, everything hosted and supported through their own service. Then they'll start hosting the mods for their other games. Nothing monetized, all in the name of an improved user experience.

Then the next TES game will go through Beth.net exclusively (like uplay, you can buy it on Steam, but you're really going through Beth.net), and all mods/downloads will go through Beth.net exclusively, with files and load orders managed through the service rather than by the game itself.

And at that time they'll generously offer modmakers the ability to cash in on their hard work.
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>>118671650
>it didn't pan out
>we're gonna try it again

Doubt it will be successful.

The only people that'll pay for mods are the console base.

PC users aren't that stupid.
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>>118671947
That's probably WHY they're not bringing mods to console, because they know comsolefags will eat it up without question. I never thought console would find a way to ruin mods, but here we are.
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>>118671947
You understand that console players are 85% of the market, right? And that also they have a notorious tendency of buying shit, right?
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>>118672094
>not bringing mods to console
but they are
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>>118667767
Just get a 270X. Right about 140 used from Amazon, and with a good processor it handles everything I've been throwing it's way.
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>>118663891
Correct me if im wrong but, by your definition wouldn't other people on the PC who download a mod that, say, you made and then have no intention of making or contributing to mod development, also be leeching? Again by your definition...
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As much as I wouldn't pay for mods myself.... I really don't see why people are so butt-devastated that mod makers were given the choice to charge for their mods.

In all other instances were people make something, they are allowed to sell it and make money off of it, but when it comes to mods, people aren't allowed to make money off of the shit they made?

Its a bizarre double standard imo.
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>>118672407
Sorry that was a typo, I didn't mean to add the 'not'
I don't know how the fuck I managed that.
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>>118672659

If there's one thing I've learned, it's that folks will happily pay 4 dollars for a coffee but freak out if they have to pay 99 cents for a mod.
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>>118668887
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYt8ebj7xIw
Go to 6:25, he states that PC-made mods are freely transferable to the Xbox One. There will be some limitations in place, obviously, but there's no Bethesdanet account you need
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>>118672659
I didn't really care either
it was the fucking split though
>Modder gets 25%
>Valve gets 30%
>Beth gets 40%
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>>118665506
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>>118672571
It's kind of like a give and take system. PCfags making mods for other PCfags, we make mods for each other or test for each other. Give feedback and so on.
But consolefags wouldn't be making any mods or doing any of the work. Hell, a lot of the mods that PCfags have to make are fixes to problems caused by consoles.

So I'll be fucked if I'm letting consolefags use my mods.
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>>118672659
Wasn't there some clause with the whole paid-mods thing that made sure that the modders themselves only received something like 35% of money made? It wasn't a good deal.
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>>118665506
>>118672868
Fuck off garyposters. This meme vault is a cancer.
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>>118672860
That's actually a fairly common split when selling a derivative work though.

I real the guy who made some zombie game, think it was DayZ or something, explain that's actually a REALLY generous deal in the gaming industry.
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>>118672659
For the short time that we had paid mods, everything went to shit. The quality of mods dropped and everything was overpriced.
Retards like you think paid mods will encourage modders to increase the quality and size of their mods, when in reality what happened was the opposite. Everyone half-assed their mods for a quick buck.
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>>118669646
Warehouse manager/HVAC technician, 440/wk before taxes with no overtime(which rarely happens)
Living in the South can be kinda shitty, but my monthly bills are only a week and a half of work, and everything else goes towards guns, video games, and doting on my wife.
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>>118673070
>Retards like you think paid mods will encourage modders to increase the quality and size of their mods
I don't actually, nice attempt to straw man
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>>118672740

>Implying all mods are going to be that cheap

People freak out about it because most mods are shit, and a lot of people run with 100's of mods. Even at 99 cents each that's a few hundreds dollars, but that's just the mods you like. Not counting all the other mods you tried and didn't like.

The Quality of most mods just don't hold up to the standard of being paid DLC and there's no way to tell unless you take a dive and purchase it.

In the short time that Paid Modding was a thing people did run downs of the mods available and the "products" were atrocious. The fishing mod was hilariously buggy and broken, and when it did work it was fucking nothing. And I believe that one was like 7 dollars?

Modders aren't professionals and throwing money into the situation isn't going to increase the professionalism, it's going to increase the mentality for cheap knock offs and traps to make easy money. See: Mobile App stores.
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>>118672659
First, they started with an established modding community understood to add value to a game, which comes across as "thanks for the hard work losers, now we're going to take away your toys and sell them to you".

Second, the split that >>118672860 mentions; perfectly legal, very difficult to spin.

Third, people prefer free to not-free; they had nothing they could point to and say "this is what you get in return", BEYOND goodwill towards the modder.
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>>118669940
I know that feel. Graduated in MIS and IT, landed a job in HVAC that is half field work and half actually applying my degree.
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>>118673137
What guns you got, south-anon?

I'm an ausfag so I'm obviously interested in these things.
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>>118672659
It would quite literally reward devs laziness/incompetence.
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>>118673267
>"thanks for the hard work losers, now we're going to take away your toys and sell them to you".
Except no one took anything away from you, as you still had access to the mods you had already downloaded.

>very difficult to spin.
Theres nothing to spin because its the same deal used everywhere else in the industry, and everyone else has been fine with it.

>Third, people prefer free to not-free
I would like to get all my food, clothes cars, houses, and everything else for free, but the world doesn't work that way.
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>tfw this general is comfy for once
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>>118673627

It's just a calm before the storm.

This thread is going to be a mess on November 10th
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>>118673289
From left to right:
Marlin 60 - .22LR
Ruger 10/22 - .22LR
Martini & Rossin Target - .22LR
Pardner Pump Protector - 12 Gauge
WASR 10/63 - 7.62x39
Beretta U22 Neos - .22LR
SCCY CPX-2 - 9mm Luger
Norinco 213 - 9mm Luger
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>>118673586
I'm not presenting these as valid arguments, I'm noting these are common objections they completely failed to overcome. They'll address them on the next pass.
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>>118673714
>This thread is going to be a mess on November 10th
>going to the thread on Atomic Day
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>>118670712

I mean, they shouldn't mind. Its what they have had all along anyway for 99.9% of every other console game until now. Im sure they wont mind another like that.

Ether that or we could try this crazy thing called progress which requires new ideas and innovations and moves us forward....
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>>118673796
Ohh, nvm then.
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>>118673714
As soon as the game is out in the wild I am staying as far the fuck away from any Fallout discussion as I can until I'm done with the MQ.
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>>118673887

Oh I'm not going to be here. No way. I'm not letting some /v/irgin spoil the ending for me.

I'm just saying this thread WILL go fucking nuclear. And not in a fun way.
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>>118673967
Good policy. I might pop in to do an unboxing of my CE if no one else has bothered, while I'm installing the game, but that's it.
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>>118673967
>>118674045
Damn right. You won't be able to hold a conversation then anyway, it'll all be going too fast. Threads will die within the hour.
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>>118673967
this
you know theres gonna be that one asshole that maxes out their SPECIAL via the console and rushes through the games main story in order to spoil the fucking ending(s)
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>>118674186
I'd put money on one of the scene groups cracking the pre-load. Might have to bail out pre-release if that happens.
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>>118674045
>I'm just saying this thread WILL go fucking nuclear. And not in a fun way.
Yep. I think I won't open up 4chan at all. Close all possible avenues of info off.
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>>118673586
If paid mods are so good, why so many prominent modders, like Fores, the SKSE and SureAI teams, Trainwiz, among many others, opposed it?
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>>118674346
Some retailer will fuck up the street date and consoles will start playing a few days early. Maybe even the strategy guide. Happens on every release.
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>>118673730
That Norinco is sexy. Reminds me of a Tokarev.
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>>118670367
Loli mod
Rape mod
Player Home mod
Body replacer
Script extender
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>>118674186
They'll go through the videos on the preload or just watch some streamer on twitch speedrun his way through it. Most of the times the people spoiling it have no interest in playing the game themselves.
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>>118663891
Wow you are petty.
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>>118674631
well yeah that too
I'm avoiding this whole site until long after I've completed it
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>>118674454
Why where the 70+ modders Bethesda let prototype the system fine with it?
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>>118672903
No no i get that (PC and console here).

What im trying to ask/ say is more so in the way of what if there where consolefags that could provide feedback on mods in some way so that PCfags could make them better, and on the flip side what if there are PCfags that are doing what the console fags are doing, which is absolutely nothing in the way of aiding PC modders (they do exist i know that). Would they not be one in the same at that point, one contributing in some way, if even in the way of feedback, and the other in the way of "sit on your ass and wait". (Im giving people on console too much hypothetical credit if they would actually contribute, but lets pretend)

I understand that there is already the established system of the many PCfags that actually contribute with only a few that dont and just leech V.S. zero on the console of either at this point though...
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>>118674508
It is, essentially. Russia, back when all the Communist countries were cozy, was distributing weapon designs to just about anyone interested in furthering the cause. After the war, lots of them got made into exports. One variant of the 213 shipped out with both a 7.62x25 and a 9mm barrel and maagzine. Mine is sadly just the 9mm, but it shoots great. The WASR, similarly, is just a semi-auto AKM. I lucked out; mine was purchased before the Assault Weapons Ban was passed here, so the magazine well is unmolested. Here's a better look at the 213. I call it my international gun. A Chinese copy of a Russian design, chambered in a German cartridge and exported to the US.
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>>118673184
Gopher had a jag pretty similar to this on mrmattyplays or one of those YouTube joints.

His whole thing was paid mods could work, but the only angle to make money is in curation. As in, you must separate 50 modders from their pet projects, change bits of them so they work well together, and offer the whole thing as a "make dual wielding not shit" pack or whatever.

And then try to arrive at a royalty distribution which makes some kind of sense for that.
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>>118674707
Name one good reason why he should allow his mods to be used by consoles?
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>>118674996
Not him - relax, friend, you're talking to a troll. Most modders are in it for love of the craft or to share their vision. Very few of them have "-but only on PC" in mind.
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>>118674804
People are greed, and many of those "modders" actually only produced shitty Dota2 reskins.
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>>118675039
I listened to their podcast with a few other dudes, I agree with his idea of doing a 'best of the community' on-disc mod pack for the GOTY edition or whatever. For folks with shit-tier internet, it would be a godsend.
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>>118673714
Implying i will decide to go on /fog/ any time before 6 months of starting the game
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>>118673586
>I would like to get all my food, clothes cars, houses, and everything else for free, but the world doesn't work that way.
We've had free mods for decades, and it's worked just fine.
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>>118675219
>If you disagree with me/have an opinion I don't like, he's a troll!

I love this deluded mentality.
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>>118675310

Are you going to wait half a year to play or something?
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>>118674707
How about we compromise? I'll make my mods free on PC, and paid on console.
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>>118675258
>its greedy to want to be paid for your work
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>>118654698
>yfw she gets out of the vault long before you
>She's either 30-40 years old than you and / or a ghoul
>You get positive karma if you still stay faithful to her despite her age / appearance

What do you do?

Alternatively:
>You play as the wife
>Your husband is now an old man / ghoul with old man / ghoul ass and old man / ghoul balls

Do you remain faithful to your husbando?
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I'm worried that my computer can't handle Fallout 4.

I have an Intel Core2 Extreme CPU X9650 @3.00 GHz

8.00 GB RAM

and a GeForce GTX 970

Obviously I'm most concerned over my processor.

Since I'm not very tech savvy I'm just wondering if it's at least comparable in performance to an i5, or if I should take it out back, shoot it, and buy a new one.
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>>118675681
I like your thinking anon.
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>>118675219
Call me elitist, call me petty, but don't say I'm trolling because I'm not. You apparently don't know the meaning of the word.
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Guys, he's a REAL Fallout fan on the site where REAL Fallout fans go to! I bet his opinion means a LOT!
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>>118675824
If you want to make money dont spend your time making a fucking mod
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>>118675863
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So what does /fog/ think of NVB3?

I think its pretty damn good. Except now I want to hunt down and scalp Brookshire. Also I brought Willow with me lol
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>>118675952
What a retarded double standard argument.
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>>118675829
>faithful
nope.png

It's not even the age thing. I'd never be faithful in video game relationships.
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>>118676141
>I made something that has alway been free
>GIVE ME MONEY!
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>>118676141
Well, Trainwiz himself said that, so there must be some merit to it.
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>>118675863
You could try to strap a nice cooler onto it and push an overclock, but in the long term you would be better served with a new processor/mobo. If the memory is at least DDR3 you might be able to salvage that. Course, if you want to go cheap, the FX-8320 with a 970 mobo and 8 GB of DDR3 would only set you back about 300. If you find a refurbished or gently used board, you could throw a 212 Evo on top too at that price point.
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>>118676409
>Trainwiz
>literally a meme mod maker
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It's a weird conversation to have. I believe that paid mods is the natural next step for the industry to take, and I ALSO believe that it will be a cancer that does irreparable damage to the community.

In its current state, modding self-selects for authentic creations. Most want to share with the community, some want to give to the community, a few keep it to themselves but they're still doing it out of a genuine interest.

Once there's a profit motive everything turns to shit. Horse armor. Charging two bucks for "better grass" that's literally a single-line ini tweak. Saturating the market with microtransactions, because it worked for apps and it worked for greenlight. Repackaging and releasing free mods. The entrepreneurs will drown the visionaries.

We'll always have modding guides and endorsements to help bring the cream to the top (uphill, thanks to vote fraud and puppet accounts), but we're losing another front me laddies.
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Playing 3 for the first time in many years, how the heck do I get around the GFWL thing? Playing on steam.
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>>118676637
http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout3/mods/1086/?
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>>118676512
Still better than anyone that defend paid mods.
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>>118676759
I would say Arthmoor is better then trainwiz, and Arthmoor is an autistic spaz fuck.
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>>118676512
>i dont like him so he doesn't count
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>>118673714
>>118673887
>>118674374
I'll be in the thread when that day comes
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>>118676637
FOSE disables it if automatically, and it's a requirement for a lot of basic improvement mods. So that's usually all most people bother with.

If you want to play 100% vanilla >>118676737
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funposting: 30 days until this outstanding member of society kills himself edition
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>>118675071
Name a reason why he should go out of his way to prevent them from being used.

It's extra work just to be a prick.
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>>118676335
>ZIXAPHIR
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>>118677225
You didn't answer my question.
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>>118655103
xth for mine is better
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>>118677263
I'm sorry, but I don't like little boys.
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>>118677302
It's extra work for no reason other than circle jerking your superiority complexes.

Not that I can convince you otherwise, you people actually took a joke phrase about Nazis and PC gaming and embraced it like the clueless mouth breathers everyone thinks you are.
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>>118677454
You still haven't answered the question.
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>>118677434
Buffscale has that covered.
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>>118677225
Not that guy, but is very likely that Bethesda might use console mods to push paid mods.
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>>118677150

If he really wanted to fucking kill himself, he'd do it. A video game won't stop you from offing yourself.

Little faggot writing sob stories for fucking attention. Holy shit this makes me mad. "I can't get meds because I'm on my parents' insurance." Bullshit.
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>>118675829
As a player I'm going to have very little investment in their in media res relationship, and more investment in new relationships started after leaving the vault.

What do I do? Have an awkward conversation where s/he gets sad at my humping everything that catches my fancy, and probably have to endure passive-aggressive bitchiness for the rest of the game. No way will they not twist that knife.
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>>118669646
Call Center Wifi Tech Support, 700$ every 2 weeks.

Basically customer service (Everyone hates you, but not you, your company/the company you rep, you're a good person just doing your job..) but you have to fix shit that is pretty much broken by the company in the first place. I want off that ride, so I'm looking for work where my degree (computer networking/repair/etc) actually is being used beyond helping people realize their wifi router that they're leasing from their ISP is shit.
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>>118654705
Good, they copied NV. The structure of 3 was retarded.
Hopefully it's not Skyrim style where the faction you join changes virtually nothing about the main quest.
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>>118677809
>Hopefully it's not Skyrim style where the faction you join changes virtually nothing about the main quest.
So exactly like NV?
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>>118677809
"joined the mage guild, joined the thief guild, joined there werewolf guild" satisfies "join multiple factions vying for power". That shit is the vaguest marketing fluff imaginable.
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>>118670069
Y Should be renamed to David Hayter.
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>>118677434
First buff now you?

What, did TESG collapse?

Seriously, you fucking pedos and fat worshipers should g back there, FOG already has enough bullshit to deal with.
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>>118678125
I actually hate the Elder Scrolls franchise. The only reason I even gave Skyrim a chance was because I enjoyed FO3/NV.
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>>118675896
Post more Nma.
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>>118677984
NV main quests changed quite a bit depending on if you were with NCR, House, or Legion.
The only one that was copy paste was Yes Man, who was a mix of House missions + the kill House mission of NCR / Legion
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>>118678265
>I actually hate the Elder Scrolls franchise.
Why?
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>>118665235
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRuvMDxBGEw
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>>118678438
No really.

No matter what faction you chose you still had to od basically the same big quest missions
-Get the Boomerso on your side
-Deal with the BoS
-Deal with house
-Deal with The NCR President
-Do the final dam battle

The only thing your faction really changed was post-game slideshows.
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>>118678454
idk, I don't find them fun? They virtually bore me to death.
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>>118678597
Post more.
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>>118678567
Agree, I really don't care for the TES games. Morrowind's quests bored me and I hate the combat in all of them.
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>>118678567
Are you and Buff going to make another booru for your child molestation images?
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>>118678564
no really

no matter what faction you chose you still had to od basically the same big finale
-take the hoover dam

the only thing your faction really changed was post-game slideshows

ur a faget
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>>118678564
Dealing with the NCR president, the dam battle, the Vegas strip quests, and the ass loads of NCR vs Legion quests isn't a difference?

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Fallout:_New_Vegas_NCR_quests
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Fallout:_New_Vegas_Caesar's_Legion_quests
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>Skills have been removed entirely, if the PIP-Boy screen is correct. There are only SPECIAL attributes and perks.

So they've just completely abandoned the whole "RPG" part of Fallout now?
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>>118678709
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>>118678942
I don't think I'll be interested in doing any sex mod type stuff until I'm bored with the main game. I have nothing planned right now other than just playing the game.
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>>118679128
No skills are still in the game.
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>>118679005
No, becuase 90% of those NCR vs Legion quests are mysteriously totally unrelated to the actual MQ.

-Forlorn Hope VS Nelson.
-Searchlight vs Cottonwood Cove.
-The whole Mccarren monorail thing.
-Doing shit like saving the Legion spy from the Omertas, or getting the Legion's howitzer gun fixed
-Dong shit like training NCR soldiers at Camp Golf to be better prepared.

None of it changes anything in the game itself, and all of it can be done before you get your pardon from both factions, meaning any prior relation you had gets negated.

Nothing fucking matters in NV within the game itself.
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>>118679128
leave
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>>118679005
>>118679395

both of you fuck off.
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>>118677150
>tfw im in the exact same boat
>would literally have already killed myself if it weren't for fallout 4 hype
>tfw i'm starting to think the game will be shit
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>>118676552
How do we start curating the good mods? Do we start a shadow-y cabal with the combined power of our collective autism to ensure that only the cream of the crop gets promoted?

I'm trying to think ahead of the game, we know that paid mods are coming. By being ready we can corner the market early and ensure only the good stuff gets out there. We'll be hated, but I don't want to see the kind of mods I was making for Morrowind to be on the front page of bethesda.net.
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So why can't Bethesda hire more voice actors to give the protagonist potential different voices?

I wouldn't expect something like Saints Row's 7 options, but two for male and female should be possible shouldn't it? If fucking Bioware can manage it why can't Bethesda?
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>>118679519
Because Fallout 4 has 13k Lines for the PC alone.

Which is far more then saints row or DAI had.
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>>118679496
It's not anon don't worry,
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>>118679395
And? There are still massive differences between the factions, and you'll piss off the other one by working with one. The pardon is just there if you want to make a last minute switch.

If you think Bethesda will even have as much variation or depth as that you're being pretty silly.
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>>118677150
>Thinks NV sucked
Well, he deserves to die tbh, one less shit opinion on this planet.
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Is New Vegas meant to look this shit? I installed all the texture mods and FNVLODGen from FAL. I'm not running ENB
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>>118679519
because bethesda isn't made out of THAT much money.
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>>118679691
>If you think Bethesda will even have as much variation or depth as that you're being pretty silly.
I dont think they will, and I don't really want them too.

NV was a game of quantity over quality, and it showed.

All of those choices didn't mean shit within the context of the game themselves, and it left each faction feeling totally unfulfilling.

I would rather have a higher quality, and more focused and fufilling narrative, over one with a million "choices" all of which amount to nothing.
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>>118679951
>NV was a game of quantity over quality
NV had higher quantity and quality than 3. 3's quests were all worse and less memorable than NV, the weapon designs were worse, the uniques were just reskins with the same models etc.
This quantity over quality argument is silly because it comes up a lot and means nothing. Just because something is objectively superior in quantity, doesn't mean it's inferior in quality.
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>>118680357
I would disagree, I found most of NV's quests to be terribly boring and less memorable then Fo3's.

Ultimately because they tried way to hard to be LE EPIC!, then failed to deliver.

Its a problem Obsidian has had forever, KOTOR 2, NWN2, AP, PoE, all of them suffer from OBsidian not understanding reasonable design goals, thus never being able to finish anything in a satisfying way.
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>>118680627
>Le epic
Oh, here comes the asinine ironic shitposting, what a delight.

There is no FO3 quest that reaches the quality of beyond the beef.
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>>118677667
I fucking love fallout but it has never cured my depression and in moments where i wanted to off myself it sure as hell wasnt video games that kept me going this dude is a confirmed bitch nigga.
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>>118680627
KOTOR2 and Mask of the Betrayer are fantastic.
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>>118680858
This
Both games are far better than anything Bethesda has put out, and their writing is discussed to this day. They're two of the text book examples on what a well written video game story is.
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>>118680627
>tried way too hard to be LE EPIC!

are you fucking retarded? new vegas was so good because it was so believable in the context. everything made sense in the world and all the quests were very involved in the world

on the other hand fallout 3 was all about the gimmick or the shock or the EPIC scale of things. fucking liberty prime, mega "WHOA POST NUCLEAR FALLOUT WORLD LETS STICK A BOMB IN THIS TOWN"ton, fucking little lamplight, and tons of quests besides were all about the shock of a singular thing rather than consistent good writing and believability

fuck fallout 3 and fuck bethesda
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>>118680819
What makes Beyond the Beef so good?

TBH it was one of the most boring quests in Nv, because, even compared to NV's reactionless world, that quest had even LESS of an impact then anything else.

Are people really that easily amused by illusionary choice?
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>>118681123
>are people really that easily amused by illusionary choice

>do people really enjoy making their own decisions in an rpg?

i bet you think DUDE TEDDY BEAR LOADED ROCKET LAUNCHER LMAO is just hilarious a-la todd howard

fucking mong
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>>118681123
Fuck off, you always start off this pointless argument. If you like Fallout 3 better fine, but get it through your fucking head that some people enjoy the narrative payoff more than seeing a shitty generic caravan character visiting a settlement b/c you cleared a dull, kill-everything quest.
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>>118681123
>What makes beyond the beef so good
There are so many ways to complete it. It doesn't matter what kind of way you've developed your character, you'll have a unique way to go through the quest. Along with that, there are many different paths you can take on the quest, and several endings.
It's a great example of putting open ended quest structure in video games
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>>118678564
>-Get the Boomerso on your side
Who actually got the help of the Boomers? The quest was so long and tedious and the Boomers are such assholes I just genocide them and loot all their shit to sell. Even if I am doing a playthrough with no companions I grab Veronica and ED-E to carry more shit for me to sell before ditching them.
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>>118679496
>The only think that's making you not want to take your own life is a video game
If that's true, you should kill. That's truly pathetic.
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>>118680858
KOTOR 2 is the Nolan Batman of Star Wars games, it totally misses the entire fundamental basis of the Star Wars universe, just to shove in some ham fisted "MUH GREY MORALITY!" plotline, that was never actually finished.

KOTOR 2 is good if you hate everything Star Wars is based around, but that's about it.

>Mask of the Betrayer
You mean
>Muh supah special snowflake soapbox characters!
The expansion?

Fuck no, MotB totally negated all the importance of the sacrifice of the ending of NWN2 though a shitty dues ex machine 12th hour turn around.

And then managed to be basically totally unrelated to anything in the base game, while shoving in pretentious cardbox cutout soapbox companions like The Dove.

MotB is literally "armchair intellectualism" the game
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>>118681332
but none of that matters because nothing changed no matter what you do.

Its literally illusory choice defined, and everything games should NOT try to be like since this is 2015, and the tech IS in existence to show those consequences.
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>>118681447
>if i shout my stupid opinions today maybe it won't just be my mom agreeing with me tomorrow
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>>118679817
This
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Why do we have to fight?
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>>118681447
You don't have to hate Star Wars to enjoy Kotor 2's anti force agenda, in the same way that you don't have to hate Fallout 2 to enjoy NV's anti expansionism agenda. Saying otherwise is fairly delusional.

>Muh supah special snowflake soapbox characters!
Jesus you're an idiot.
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Does crouching help vats accuracy?
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>>118680627
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>>118681540
What does it matter if nothing in the world changes? There are narrative implications, and you get the satisfaction of having done something with a unique approach, along with knowing how your approach affected the world which you cannot see.

Do you think books are pointless because elves don't come visit you after you finish Lord of the Rings or some shit?
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>>118679496
it literally cant be
people will lead you to believe differently but bethesda isnt ubisoft or one of eas puppet studios
theres no one big thing they can fuck up thats going to make people dislike it

youll like it at first then that like will slowly degrade to plain tolerance as the flaws become more obvious
youll still put 100+ hours into it
youll still shitpost about it because youre dumb and you have nothing better to do
this is how these things go
its not gonna be the greatest game ever, but itll be fun for a while, better decide quick if thats enough for you
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>>118681447
>regarding the NWN2 OC as anything but a steaming pile
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>>118681850
>What does it matter if nothing in the world changes?
>WHAT DOES IT MATTER THAT RPGS HAVE CONSEQUENCES!

Are you fucking serious?
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>>118680627
i can not remember one side quest from Fo3 that makes me want to replay it to try it a different way. I played it once 6 months ago and i liked it but it has no replay value compared to NV which i have been playing for years.
I did lie though if i did a Fo3 replay i would REMOVE GHOUL
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>>118675896
Holy shit that kid
He is NMA defined
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>>118681642
this. you guys have dogpiled on this poor guy so badly he's probably freaking out at the cooldown timer on his post button and has woken his parents up with his stomping/yelling.
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>>118681642
Because certain Bethesda drones start fuming from their ears whenever someone criticizes Bethesda for fucking anything.
You could say "wow, it's going to be annoying how buggy this game is going to be on release", and anyone who has EVER played a Bethesda game on release would agree, but these faggots will start attacking you about how you don't know if it will be buggy or not because it's not out yet.

That's how this argument started. Hell, it wasn't even started from a criticism of how someone thought 4 would be bad in a way, it was a criticism of Skyrim and 3 doing factions bad, which I thought most people agreed on ages ago.
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Where is the /fog/get who was here yesterday getting ass blasted about /fog/ never defending NV's honor?
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>>118681642
Because Todd never changes
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>>118670367
RUN FO4 8 GB OF RAM MOD
LOW INTELLIGENCE DIALOG MOD
TYPE 4 BODY WITH MORE BOOBS MOD
SEXUAL POSITIONS MOD
WILLOW COMPANION ULTIMATE EDITION MOD
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>>118681735
Is there anyone here who can take five seconds out of their day from being a circle jerking retard to just answer my fucking simple question?
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>>118681642
Bethesdrones can't go five minutes without shitposting and bashing non-Bethesda Fallout.
It's usually the same guy though, he repeats the same shitposts.
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>>118681940
There are consequences in the writing. Things happen, you learn about the things that happen. You're saying that's not enough, but it's plenty.

Also, we're talking about quest design here too. Beyond the beef has plenty of narrative and gameplay choices, that's the point.
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Anyone got that screencap of the baseball vault?
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>>118682109
It is, you just managed to post when that /fog/get with fringe beliefs was here. For what it's worth (that is, very little), I thought Skyrim improved factions from FO3. I hope they keep that trend and FO4 is better than Skyrim.
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>>118682272
Games are not books, what happens "in the writing" doesn't mean shit in the actual game itself unless its actually expressed IN THE GAME itself.

You are just mindlessly loyal to outdated as fuck means of making RPGs that stopped being valid after the very early 2000s.

Even fucking Mass Effect managed to express more in-game then NV.
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>>118682238
>>118681735
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>>118682242
Define 'Bethesdrone'.
>>118682238
>>118681735
As far as I know, maybe

It increases outside of VATS
Try it out mang IDK why you're asking if you don't have the game already
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>>118681735
>>118682238
>>118682464

Yes, Sunny Smiles even tells you in the tutorial. You even see it decrease the sway/weapon spread. Weapon spread is factored into VATS accuracy.
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>>118682534
Ok, thanks. I assumed she just meant that it helped ironsights aiming, not that it factored into vats.
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>>118682447
>What happens in the writing doesn't mean shit
I disagree, as do many others. Being able to learn how my personal choices affected a world, even one far away from my own, is very satisfying, and much more so than having 0 choice with a couple of new scripted npcs afterwords, because then that just feels like a movie.
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>>118682447
>>118682447
>RPGs that stopped being valid after the very early 2000s.
>Mass Effect managed to express more

Fuck you. You're why RPGs are barely discernable from action/adventure games these days. Instead of giving room for creative play and imagination it's being stomped out in favor of spoon feeding every bit of CINEMATIC VISION for shitty scripts that wouldn't even pass muster on a Hallmark channel production.
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>>118681642
Because war, war never changes.

>>118681735
Yes, it is said on the Sunny Smiles Tutorial and in the game manual.

>>118682238
No
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>>118682630
I would rather SEE then learn.

Learning was acceptable back in like 1995, when RPG's were mostly isometric games with shitty sprites, and technology simply couldn't support NPCs moving around/actually updating, but this is 2015, and we do have the tech.

There is no excuse for not using it beyond sheer laziness.
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>>118679836
>is new vegas meant to look this shit
Yes
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>>118682939
>>118682939
>then
>Learning was acceptable back in like 1995

Is that when you were born? Filthy profligate.
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>>118682939
>Learning was acceptable back in light 1995
Fuck off

You realize time and budget constraints are a thing right?
I want my choices to have meaning, not be railroaded into the same thing no matter what. At that point you might as well not give me a choice.
Text matters, it gives meaning.
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>>118679836
The game/graphics engine is shitty and old as fuck

Graphics isn't Gamebryo's strength

Theres only so much modders can do
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>>118679836
Even in 2008 that engine looked like shit, why would it look any better in 2015?
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everyone shut the fuck up
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>>118683195
>not be railroaded into the same thing no matter what.
So exactly like NV?
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>>118677150
>Fallout: New Vegas sucked
Kill yourself

Also, people who publicize the fact they want to kill themselves generally are just attention whores. Now find a noose and prove me wrong.

Pic related. Profligate.
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Why are the jog anims still so shit?
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>>118683436
No, because even if it was a conclusion in text, your choices mattered in NV, and altered endings of quest stories / the game itself.
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>>118673627
you blew it.
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>>118683523
I'm still haunted by that animation in the 'atom bomb baby' video where that female boxer cheers to the crowd

all she has to do is turn around and it looks like she's a reject from the lego movie
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>>118683523
Even Creation 2.0 is kinda meh
and they don't use MoCap for that kind of stuff
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>>118683628
>post game slideshows matter!
You are so easily amused
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>>118683834
>I need everything presented to me so I know how to react.
You have so little imagination.
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>>118683694
Actually they do use mocap for their animations in most cases.
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>>118682939
Fo3 only did this once with tennpenny tower. They did it really well but that quest only had 3 endings (kill ghoul,kill human,pass speech checks) and thats lazier to me than not "properly" showing the world change.
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>>118683523
Too busy concepting every light and switch on every panel to create situationally appropriate animations.
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>>118675676
wait.... that came out wrong. BUT I CANT FIX IT NOW SO YES!
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>>118683685
Ah shit, I just watched it and now I can't unsee. It even looks like she glides along the surface of the octagon.
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>>118683975
>I don't care if my games are actually complete, or actually games!
You don't seem to be a good fit for this kind of media.

The whole point of games is that you are supposed to PLAY them, not watch them like a movie.
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>>118684006
Bethesda uses MoCap?
Since When?

I know the voice actors mentioned headgear being worn when recording lines for FO4 but nothing outside of that.
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>>118683834
Yes, they do. Because I have an imagination, and the act of knowing how my actions affected the world is enough.
I had 0 problems with FO3's original slideshow ending being a slideshow ending. My problem was the retardedness of Fawkes not going into the purifier, and the entire FEV subplot being silly.
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>>118684027
>concepting every terminal
>terminals all look the same as they did before, just higher res

t-t-t-thanks?
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>>118684012
It actually did it with every side quest.

Bethesda however understood the limits of their game, and thus didn't try to make their quests have these massively staggering world changes as part of their narrative.
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>>118684113
>games must fit this tiny box that only i have defined
>all other opinions are invalid

ok anon, now i know why you are such a miserable cunt. let's just agree to disagree.
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>>118684264
Most side quests in FO3 didn't even have choices, what the fuck are you on about?
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>>118684116
Since forever.

Most of the dog animations in Fo4 are mocapped.
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>>118684375
>since forever
>from FO4
Pick one.
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>>118684360
All side quests except Riley's Rangers had alternate means of completing the.

What the fuck are you on about?
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>29 days till FO4
>E3 was almost 3 months ago

We almost there bros!
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>>118684360
he's talking about retarded shit like a vampire from the family standing around arefu after you've completed the blood ties quest. he's basically prioritizing a generic NPC with zero interaction, an NPC you probably won't ever see since there is fuck all reason to go back to Arefu, over an end game slide/mention.
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>>118684446
>using a most recent example

they had mocaped animations as far back as Oblivion.
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>>118684538
>almost 3 months ago

It was 4 months ago anon
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>>118684493
Killing X or killing Y so A or Z will stand around doing nothing isn't really choices / consequences.
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>>118684601
>using the internet to spread lies
Get out, Jew.
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>>118682224
But fallout 4 already uses 8 gigs of ram
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>>118684264
>>118684493

You always pick the same fucking argument in this general. You could at least have the decency to use a trip so that I have a chance of filtering out this stale argument.
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>>118659513
People will be joining the institute right?
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>>118684683
Thats not what I was talking about, but nice straw man.
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So im wondering, can i build a settlement and then tell people to fuck off if they want to join? Just have an exclusive club of gay bearded men in my whole town forced to go pant-less and wear nothing but trench coats?
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>>118684634

Don't care, we almost there!
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>>118684728
>Not having 24 gigs of ECC RAM
Peasant
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>>118684851
Thanks for ruining my plans Anon, now I have to do that, I have no choice now.
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>>118684820
You are though. No side quest in 3 had significant narrative or gameplay choices or consequences.
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>>118684817
My dream is to unite the Enclave and The Institute so I hope so. I'll be pretty cheesed off if Bethsoft fucks it up like they did with Fallout 3.
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>>118684851
Just go stealthy, knock em out, and drag them far, far away
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>>118683523
>Nuclear war
>Better jog like I am holding in a shit
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>>118684851
So, Australia?
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>>118684851
If you can attack your settlers then you can purge anyone you don't want

I just fucking hope to god they aren't all essential
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>>118684817
Absolutely

I just hope they won't be cartoonishly evil villains who are discriminating poor androids who dindunuffin
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>>118684813
>Always
>this is the first time i've talked about this
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>>118684851
>>118684851
>Just have an exclusive club of gay bearded men in my whole town

I'm Tim Cain and I think this idea is FABULOUS.
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>>118684904
...what does that have to do with fallout 4 using 8 gigs of ram?
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>>118684876

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKAg9zNbLf0

This is about how I feel now
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>>118670367
UI overhaul
HD texture pack
Something that adds survival elements like frostfall did for Skyrim
Nude mods
Various companion retextures
Probably some hair and shit.

I desperately want a UI overhaul because the Fo4 UI looks like total shit to me.
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