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Why haven't you read all of them yet?
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>>10006942
im not a depraved libertarian
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>>10006942
Economics is boring I rather read sci fi
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>>10006942
I'm afraid of black literature

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Philosophical genius or mere poser?
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Neither. Next question please.
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>>10006881
Why must everything be either/or with you?

Go read a book.
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He was a better writer than he was philosopher

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Just bought this, did I messed up?
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The fourth Dune is the only Dune worth reading, good luck with the first three
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the first Dune is the only Dune worth reading, enjoy yourself friend
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there is no Dune worth reading, feed it to the flames

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What is the future $1bn man reading right now anon
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/biz/ bitch
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>>10006850
How much do you think Homer coughed up to get this promo for his god-awful book?
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>>10007109
$6.50. Man i would totally shill some scifag's book for an egg mcmuffin, takes like 2 minutes

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Why were most of the great writers through history atheist?
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Shakespeare was Catholic, dumbass.
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>>10006809
Shakespeare is a joke, dumbass.
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>>10006809
It had more to do with these authors deviating from what used to be the norm. When atheism got more prominent, you had a lot of religious writers (of whatever affiliation).

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What did Pynchon mean by this? Is V here?
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>>10006732
that's fuckin cool.
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>>10006735
IKR
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what a retarded thread

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Why do the majority of people, analytics and continentals alike, say he's hard to understand? Like, negroes, can't you read? He fucking tells you exactly what he means pretty much everywhere.

In the Phenomenology of Spirit's preface and introduction. The tl;dr: don't assume you know anything and just think the content you're given. Does it look like a word you know? Well don't assume you know it until you see how it's used.

Science of Logic: Don't assume the rules of logic, don't assume the meaning of things. If you think you know what it means because it's a familiar term, forget it and just look at the content structure and don't get up in names.

How is this hard to understand? I did just what he said, and in chapter 1 of the Logic I got the method's basics and understood how to think about it. I went on to write logical outlines for the Phenomenology's chapters up to Master/Slave. It has one solid logical argument. Two chapters, 1 and a half weeks of my life, was all I needed to begin writing a solid logical expansion and even commentary on the goddam Phenomenology. What in the fuck is wrong with you if you couldn't even figure out Being-Nothing-Becoming-Existence?
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>>10006724
Maybe they think he's too scary and say that to discourage reading of him.
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>>10006724
>PoS thesis is meaning is use

TIL
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>>10006724
Post your commentary then if you're so fucking

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I'm getting shat on in /v/ for posting this. I understand that I'm not the most eloquent writer and my insights are probably wrong as fuck, but I thought maybe some people here can appreciate that the Ocarina of Time is more than just a typical video game. There is something truly archetypal in the way the story unfolds, in the way the characters interact to how the dungeons all have histories and implied symbolism behind them. Bear with me here, I know it's just a game, but it's hard to deny that the creators of this game didn't have solid literary and historical knowledge. For example, look at the forest temple: why is it a castle? In the original translation of the game, it hints that the forest temple used to be a fortress. There is meaning behind this, suggesting a slightly darker history behind hyrule and the lost woods than the game explicitly states, and there are all sorts of details in that dungeon that SCREAM symbolism and metaphor, all the way to the boss fight with phantom ganon. The whole game is full of things that aren't explicitly stated, but are there for a reason. I may be wrong about this, but I'm essentially looking for someone with a good knowledge of literary history and the game that can maybe clear up some details about this game to me.

The Ocarina of Time's ending wraps up the game in a way that is a bit odd. All the characters join in the field of Lon Lon Ranch and all the characters are grouped in a way that can be interpreted as putting them in archetypal categories; suggesting to me that this scene isn't so much literal as trying to put things in perspective and showing the characters in relationships to one another that are more literary and poetic than seeming completely literal. You see the Ingo and Talon (red noses comically suggesting drunkenness) arm-in-arm, finally having made peace. It's very sentimental. The lazy construction workers of Kakariko are all singing choir style with Malon leading them in song. There is even an especially funny nod and wink to the three 'space cadets' in the story, (the bean guy, the guy in the desert, and the lake scientist) all sitting together on a magic carpet.

When people talk about the significance of Mido and King Zora sitting together in this scene, they often say that King Zora and Mido are sitting together because they both "mourning" the loss someone they loved; as in the people closest to them, Ruto and Saria respectively, were actually sages, and their mortal incarnations disappeared in the end.

1/2
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>>>/v/
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2/2

I feel like that's a fair analysis, but I can't help but think there might be another meaning, (or at least an extra layer of meaning) behind them sitting together. They almost appear to be meditating. Not meditating in the spiritual sense, but both deep in thought, eyes cast to the ground.

It almost seems like a message to the player that we aren't all heroes in the story of our lives. Both Mido and King Zora actually act as hindrances to the Hero of Time in their lives. Mido stops Link at many turns, and feels justified in doing so. He constantly blocks Link's path and has a bit of a hero complex; bitter at Link for getting chosen by the Deku Tree instead of him.


As for the King, it doesn't seem to be bitterness, but some other character flaw that makes him serve as such a hindrance to Link. Again, the game uses comedy to point this out: We all remember the scene in which King Zora takes a near eternity to scoot inch-by-inch out of the way of the gate leading to Jabu-Jabu. The joke is that King Zora is a sort of failed leader. No King should be so fat and lazy. But it seems that his bigger sin is ignorance. For a King, he's pretty oblivious about the goings-on that are right under his nose. It takes so much to even get him to move, much less find his missing daughter at all. And it's not like it was that hard to figure out what happened to her anyway, I mean, there's a giant hungry cannibalistic fish behind you who your daughter feeds everyday.

The point is, both the King and Mido perhaps saw themselves as very important figures in their stories, perhaps even thinking of themselves as heroes. In the end, however, they look back and saw that they weren't the heroes of the story, but instead hindrances to the true hero. We all do this ourselves at some point. We all want to project ourselves into Link's place. But there seems to be something that's being said by this scene of them together that signifies this: You probably aren't the hero in the story. You may just have to serve as the gatekeeper who needs to accept his place and let the true hero continue on his path. You may be instrumental in that quest, and if you don't act correctly, you actually cause damage to the people around you. Maybe you're incarnate as the hero of time in another life, but you're probably just a side character who needs to fulfill his less-than-glorious duty. Both of them seem to have some sort of lesson of humility that they need to learn in their interaction with Link.

Am I looking too deep into this?
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>>10006699
I'm posting here because not only does /v/ not like to discuss games in this manner, but /lit/ could maybe make an exception because this game is such an iconic and meaningful piece of work for so many people that have played it. The game's story, (majora's mask too) has a very allegorical or metaphorical feel to it. It's a clockwork of character relationships and symbolism. I think it's pretty naive to say that the writers didn't have solid historical, mythological, and literary knowledge to draw from. The video game industry, especially nintendo, was composed of a different kind of person back then. Much more classically educated, much more respect for literary tradition and values. I feel like you'd have to be pretty dense to say that the game is just a game and wasn't trying to signify anything at all. You fucking battle your shadow-self in the same temple that literally reflects the last temple you fought as a child before growing up. The first three temples in the game are literally echoed in the game's second half, and the water temple is the gateway to breaking that echo and moving onto something new. It's no coincidence that the next temple is the shadow temple. The game is filled with things like this that are honestly more than just throwaway allusions to old literary themes. It's obvious that the writers had a better understanding of myth than that, as they handle all the archetypes so gracefully. I think people overlook the zelda games simply because Ocarina of Time and Majoras Mask were the only games that really tried to say something about the human experience and weren't just fanservice or shallow, hackneyed reinterpretations of things that had already been done in the earlier games. You can't analyze Skyward Sword or Twilight Princess with the same fine-toothed comb that you can with these games. There is so much unnecessary garbage in those games and the stories are feeble to say the least. I think OOT was just a simple enough canvas for them to paint on that it didn't get cluttered with unnecessary detail. It made for a rather eloquent yet, dare I say, deep game that is ultimately more than it appears on the surface.

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Yo /lit/
Wtf has been happening to me. I've been trying to read a book, any book, printed, digital or ebook for the last tons of days and I just can't.
I can't lose myself in them anymore. I feel I'm missing out on the hip and important stuff when I'm not reading online.
I can't retain my interest for more than a number of minutes, I can't go back after the first time I've read a number of pages and then took a break. Then I get back to do "actual: research online: watch Rick and Morty, scroll down endlessly on my FB frontpage and bathe myself on the temporal dopamine of not doing shit.

Mother fuck, help me /lit/ I wanna read again.
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fuck me trips and quads, I need an answer from God....
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I think its cause you dont wanna
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You don't like books and do like facebook. I suggest you go back there.

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what are some intelligent books
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DR KillYourself, or How I learnt to stop making pointless threads and read the sticky.
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Harry Potter
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Not my diary desu

Not yours either senpai

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Why do many writers commit suicide?
It´s not that often with other artistic proffesions
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Why are people obsessed with that minority of writers that commit suicide?
The vast majority grow old, and it's probably a bigger percentage that get killed by accidents.

>>10006557
Artists are big feeling sorts. Some have bipolar problems.
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>>10006608
>minority of writers
Sure...

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>>10006608
Because we want to read from the point of view from someone who offed themselves. Don't pretend that isn't interesting

What are some good /lit/ mystery/crime novels or anthologies?
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The Judge and His Hangman
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>>10006551
The Third Policeman
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The Talented Mr. Ripley

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>’’And you, you ridiculous people, you expect me to help you.’’
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>>10006509
Ben has the most punchable face ever.
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Damn, Ben looks like THAT?
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>"The United States is afraid of me...I have seen its true face. These States are extended gutters and the gutters are full of superstition and when the drains finally scab over, all the believers will drown. The accumulated bunkum of all their faith and morals will foam up about their waists and all the Christians with their pastors will look up and shout "Save us!"... and I'll look down and whisper "No."

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How do you cope with the existential collective pain induced by the sundering of our modernist narrative foundations? Is the only option to dull myself to the suffering of my peers? Are there any books that can help me channel this pain into something productive? Please no stoic-self-help. My room is perfectly clean.
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>inb4 (((them)))
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>>10006472
Pain into production? Escape?

Joy and oblivion?

This is going to be a poetry book isn't it....?
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>sleeping last night
>dreaming
>dream i talked to nick land online
>he was streaming games on twitch and had hot thai bitches in the room
>for some reason he talked directly to me in the chat
>lots of people in there
>get nervous
>asks me what i do
>tell him im studying philosophy
>he calls me a eunuch
>tells me to drop out and write real philosophy as a bum like him
>try to explain to him i dont have sufficient street cred
>hes groping the women
>laughs at me
>channel starts spamming nick land emoticons
>i'm banned
>think about what he said
>decide to drop out, decide im not doing anything and im just being eaten by the machine and ive known it all along, and at least outside of the academic circlejerk i could take one step as a free man which is better than a thousand miles as a serf
>take a shower for some reason
>thinking about how free i am, this is the first day of the rest of my life, i cant believe it
>wake up for real
>tfw too much of a pussy to follow dreamland's advice
>tfw i have to register for classes today

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Be honest, how many of you fucks bought a freewrite?
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Looks comfy desu
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>>10006594

It's also 500 dollars
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I don't have more money than sense, so no.

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