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4chan is going to determine the quality of any book that you post.
Post any book that you want to. After you post it, look at the last number of your post. That number will determine the rating of your book on a scale of 10. For example, if the last number of your post is a 7 (you roll a 7), then the book that you posted is a 7/10. If you roll a 0, then your book is a 10/10. 1/10 is the lowest possible rating.
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>>10003848
my diary desu
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>>10003848
What a shit idea for a thread
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>>10003888
yeah, /b/-tier

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I'm reading Virginia Woolf's The Waves and she's 10/10

Who are other good female writers?
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doris lessing
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>>10003815
isak dinensen
shirley jackson
emily dickinson
flannery o'connor
willa cather

a ton more
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H.D

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>>10003810
post some examples pls
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>>10003830
Not OP, but I'm currently reading her.

>How much better is silence; the coffee cup, the table. How much better to sit by myself like the solitary sea-bird that opens its wings on the stake. Let me sit here for ever with bare things, this coffee cup, this knife, this fork, things in themselves, myself being myself.
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It's poor prose, though. Macaulay, Lincoln, Ruskin, de Quincey, Browne, Emerson are master prose stylists. Woolfe's prose isn't even well distinguished from the mass of English writings of her day.

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Is he worth reading? Is he really a master of prose style as they say? Or will it just be stale, New Yorker-tier, "and as I thought about how gorgeous women made life worth living I concluded that life was a funny thing" crap?
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Ehh, what's Updike?
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>>10003790
Both kind of to be completely honest. As in, a master of prose, and kind of that type of stale New Yorker-tier. But so beautiful that it actually becomes meaningful in a sort of way.
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>>10003813
>>10003790
Also I suggest you start with

Rabbit, Run, then go thru the rest of the tetralogy in order with ----> Rabbit Redux ----> Rabbit is Rich -----> Rabbit at Rest (actually a kinda touching and good book by his or any other 20th century author's standards)

The Centaur also has some of the best prose, if not the best, he's ever written (and that's saying something for Updike), although the beginning 20 pages or so of it is atrociously written for whatever reason.

Roger's Version may be his best work period. It actually is kind of serious and tackles existential questions (while of course having the obligatory steamy John-Updike-sex-and-adultery scenes) and is kind of memorable, as opposed to his other works which have moments of seriousness and grandeur but are generally more fluffy. If nothing else, his prose is out-of-this-world (when he hits his stride and isn't just being sort of clunky, which fortunately doesn't happen too often), so happy reading, whatever you read by him.

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NO IT'S A DECLINE! JESUS MARIE
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we get it he looks like howie mandel
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My name is Ballsack Spengler and you can go fuck yourself.
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>>10003774
Hi Survival Russia

>start to read fantasy books
>is literally fanfiction
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>>10003733
yes, we know, Genre Wolfe is trash, okay?
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>get memed into reading Kingkiller Chronicle
>book 1: Harry Potter goes to Earthsea
>book 2: Harry Potter visits Finland and fucks the goddess of sex who keeps him prisoner because he's so good at fucking
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>Read a fantasy series by a female writer
>Its a forced romance that turns into a lesbian erotic novel.

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What's his end game?
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>>10003717

Not going to bed when we told him to go to bed
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He's a compulsive writer. His endgame is to keep getting paid to write whatever the fuck he wants.
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Being jealous of Adam Levin for being a better Jewish DFW than he is

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>Lolita, light of my life, fire of my loins. My sin, my soul. Lo-lee-ta: the tip of the tongue taking a trip of three steps down the palate to tap, at three, on the teeth. Lo. Lee. Ta. She was Lo, plain Lo, in the morning, standing four feet ten in one sock. She was Lola in slacks. She was Dolly at school. She was Dolores on the dotted line. But in my arms she was always Lolita. Did she have a precursor? She did, indeed she did. In point of fact, there might have been no Lolita at all had I not loved, one summer, an initial girl-child. In a princedom by the sea. Oh when? About as many years before Lolita was born as my age was that summer. You can always count on a murderer for a fancy prose style. Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, exhibit number one is what the seraphs, the misinformed, simple, noble-winged seraphs, envied. Look at this tangle of thorns.
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You know, dear boy, there was an old sinner in the eighteenth century who declared that, if there were no God, he would have to be invented. S'il n'existait pas Dieu, il faudrait l'inventer. And man has actually invented God. And what's strange, what would be marvelous, is not that God should really exist; the marvel is that such an idea, the idea of the necessity of God, could enter the head of such a savage, vicious beast as man. So holy it is, so touching, so wise and so great a credit it does to man. As for me, I've long resolved not to think whether man created God or God man. And I won't go through all the axioms laid down by Russian boys on that subject, all derived from European hypotheses; for what's a hypothesis there, is an axiom with the Russian boy, and not only with the boys but with their teachers too, for our Russian professors are often just the same boys themselves. And so I omit all the hypotheses. For what are we aiming at now? I am trying to explain as quickly as possible my essential nature, that is what manner of man I am, what I believe in, and for what I hope, that's it, isn't it? And therefore I tell you that I accept God simply. But you must note this: if God exists and if He really did create the world, then, as we all know, He created it according to the geometry of Euclid and the human mind with the conception of only three dimensions in space. Yet there have been and still are geometricians and philosophers, and even some of the most distinguished, who doubt whether the whole universe, or to speak more widely the whole of being, was only created in Euclid's geometry; they even dare to dream that two parallel lines, which according to Euclid can never meet on earth, may meet somewhere in infinity. I have come to the conclusion that, since I can't understand even that, I can't expect to understand about God. I acknowledge humbly that I have no faculty for settling such questions, I have a Euclidian earthly mind, and how could I solve problems that are not of this world? And I advise you never to think about it either, my dear Alyosha, especially about God, whether He exists or not. All such questions [pg 258] are utterly inappropriate for a mind created with an idea of only three dimensions. And so I accept God and am glad to, and what's more, I accept His wisdom, His purpose—which are utterly beyond our ken; I believe in the underlying order and the meaning of life; I believe in the eternal harmony in which they say we shall one day be blended. I believe in the Word to Which the universe is striving, and Which Itself was ‘with God,’ and Which Itself is God and so on, and so on, to infinity. There are all sorts of phrases for it. I seem to be on the right path, don't I?
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>>10003686
Yet would you believe it, in the final result I don't accept this world of God's, and, although I know it exists, I don't accept it at all. It's not that I don't accept God, you must understand, it's the world created by Him I don't and cannot accept. Let me make it plain. I believe like a child that suffering will be healed and made up for, that all the humiliating absurdity of human contradictions will vanish like a pitiful mirage, like the despicable fabrication of the impotent and infinitely small Euclidian mind of man, that in the world's finale, at the moment of eternal harmony, something so precious will come to pass that it will suffice for all hearts, for the comforting of all resentments, for the atonement of all the crimes of humanity, of all the blood they've shed; that it will make it not only possible to forgive but to justify all that has happened with men—but though all that may come to pass, I don't accept it. I won't accept it. Even if parallel lines do meet and I see it myself, I shall see it and say that they've met, but still I won't accept it. That's what's at the root of me, Alyosha; that's my creed. I am in earnest in what I say. I began our talk as stupidly as I could on purpose, but I've led up to my confession, for that's all you want. You didn't want to hear about God, but only to know what the brother you love lives by. And so I've told you.
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>>10003691
that's easy enough as a self-contained bit, but really the whole book is my favorite piece of writing (especially in ignat avsey's translation).

other highlights include:
>alyosha's speech to the boys, at the end
>ivan's conversations with smerdyakov, then the devil
>dmitri's chapter before he gets arrested
>fyodor raving in front of zosima
>the peasant women and zosima
>the entire book on zosima

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I know Rand was shite, but does this book have any literary value? Should I read it? If I read it, will I develop autism?
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>>10003647
yes
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>>10003647
Read We The Living and then everything else.

The "Ayn Rand is shite" it's just a meme made by dirty reds and leftards.
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>>10003647
>does this book have any literary value?
no
>Should I read it?
yes, it's a beach book like Sidney Sheldon or Jackie Collins
>If I read it, will I develop autism?
libertarians are willfully immature, not autistic

at some point this board will only be e-celeb self-promotion and automated Rand and King 1 post by this ID threads

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What's the best way to take notes on philosophical texts?
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With a knife!
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>>10003445
Yes, not with the olive branch but the bayonet!
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impose a quote over a black and white photo of a beach and post it on your instagram

What are some dialogue heavy novels?
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>>10003395
who is this semen demon

pic related
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Ivy Compton-Burnett's
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>>10003395

Anything by Tolstoy or Dostoyevsky.

Just finished this, wasn't enthusiastic about it. It's drearily self-righteous, lacks fusion between the politics and the sex, and without an imagined spiritual sensibility the judges are just puppets with incomprehensible motives. For those who liked the play....what did you enjoy about it?
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Did no one like this play?
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Honestly I'm surprised this racist piece of shit is still printed, let alone taught anywhere. No, sweetie, you aren't oppressed.
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I find everything I've read of Miller's to be a tremendous bore.

Fuck Willy Loman and his sons.

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Did you find that creative writing workshops/classes actually improved your writing/helped you understand the process of writing better, or were they just a waste of time?
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>>10003267
asking b/c I hate sharing my writing with anyone but am wondering if maybe I need to go to one of these things to improve
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>>10003267
They helped me realize that I am too smart and talented to require the criticism of those intellectually and creatively beneath me

If you're not at an elite artistic level then perhaps they can help you craft commercially viable prose, but I found that my peers only held me back from realizing my true genius
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>>10003281
when I share my writing with /lit/, I'm actually just making stuff up just for you guys

I know it takes longer than sharing anything "serious", but it also hurts less when people critique it

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Do you ever realize partway through reading a book that you haven't understood most of it? I'm on page 535 of Gravity's Rainbow and now see that this is my fate. To truly say that I've "read this book" I would have to start all over again, probably with some guides. Even then, I might need a third try.
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it seems like one of those books whose main goal isn't to be understood as it is experienced. kind of like ulysses.

that probably sounded pretentious but i think it gets the point across.
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>>10003256
i felt that way when i was reading Pride and Prejudice, and Madame Bovary - two books i was forced to read in high school
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>>10003256
I felt that way after reading "the grand Inquisitor"
But luckily it was short enough I could reread it

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Any books similar to pic related?
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Pic related or Pynchon come to mind.
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