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Has anyone on /lit/ actually read this? What's it like? Why does /lit/ shit on this book if nobody has actually read it?
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>>7695445
Shitting on Pleb core that is acknowledged by the mainstream as Pleb core is actually more Pleb than reading it.
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>>7695445
>YA
>John Green
>Popular on tumblr & Leddit
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I picked it up while my sister was on some errands and I was visiting her apartment

Put it down at the part where they paint a mural, smoke, and then complain about "le modern music" as they paint another mural

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Am I a pleb for liking Elliot Smith, I know this isn't Mu/ but I won't get a decent opinion of the lyrics there. I feel like this is a fantastic post-modern / nihilistic song.

Throwing candy out to the crowd, dragging down the main
The helpless little thing with the dirty mouth who's always got something to say
You're sitting around at home now waiting for your brother to call
I saw him down in the alley, having had enough of it all

> so there's a parade, they're throwing candy, brothers fucked off to shoot up in the alley with our narrator

Said you can do what you want to whenever you want to
You can do what you want to, there's no one to stop you

> you can do what you want to there's no one to stop you, cool huh

All spit and spite, you're up all night and down every day
A tired man with only hours to go just waiting to be taken away
Getting into the back of a car for candy from some stranger
Watching the parade with pinpoint eyes full of smouldering anger

>here's where it all comes together, our narrator is a junkie (pinpoint eyes) looking out at a parade, a nice image of life as being organised around meaningless subjective cultural practices, very epitomising. Also candy here is meaning and heroin, in rejecting normal life the parade, which he sees as meaningless, he has chosen instead to have his candy/meaning supplied by junk. Getting into the back of the car, taking candy from some stranger again very epitomising of the way we look for meaning.

You can do what you want to whenever you want to
You can do what you want to, there's no one to stop you
Now you can do what you want to whenever you want to
Do what you want to whenever you want to
Do what you want to whenever you want to though it doesn't mean a thing
Big nothing

> even though our narrator has chosen to reject the parade/meaning and is "free" his life of smack addiction and conscious nihilism is not freeing: it is meaningless by definition.
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>>7695338

Yes. Patrician is Jandek. I mention him because they both reference Kierkegaard and his lyrics are absolute poetry:

http://tisue.net/jandek/lyrics.html
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>>7695357
cheers for the recc will check out
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>I'll fake it through the day
;-;
RIP

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Please introduce me to some good authors for metaphysics.
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No fucking joke, start with the Greeks if you are looking for an introduction.
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>>7695333
Yes aristotle's metaphysics is on my list, was wondering what else there is though.
I am really interested in jacques maritain but cannot find a copy of -any- of his works online.
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>>7695332
checking wikipedia is always a good starting point.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metaphysics#Bibliography

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/lit/'s thoughts on this? Just picked it up for a great deal today, planning on getting to it soon.
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>>7695302
it's just the diary of a rich bitch who was scared of the dick, overrated to be honest famalam
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>>7695302
Her poetry is genuinely great, the bell jar is kind of average.
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>>7695302
The metaphor of the bell jar was poignant, though the actual plot was very underwhelming. Read Franny and Zooey instead.

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Supernatural horror books. Any good ones?

I like Salem's Lot and Dark Matter by Michelle Paver.
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The Exorcist
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>>7695199
Most of the supernatural horror I read comes from the pulp era. Aside from adventure, and fantasy stories, Robert e Howard wrote some excellent horror tales.
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Scientology is a great place to start.

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>The only writer who bangs on about the Greeks as much as /lit/ is pic
> she's alright but she's no uber patrician
> are Greekfags condemned to medisocrate in their writing?
> it's Donna Tart BTW
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wuts up with her pose? is she supposed to be a battle rapper who just dropped a fly boast? or is she like depressed and needs a hug? or is it just cold in that photographers study and trying to stop shivering?
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her flow is tight, her rhymes span decades

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>close eyes
>about to fall asleep
>suddenly remember memories of reading poetry in my high school English class and hearing a qt laugh at it

there goes the night
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>>7695039
>writing poems

Yea, I wouldn't really expect anybody who frequents 4chan to be sensitive enough for that sort of vocation. Stick to non-fiction or hard sci fi or something.
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>>7695039

I'm sorry anon. She was wrong to do that.
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Well, fuck her.
Don't allow her to disturb your live like that.
Get drunk over the pain instead.

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What are the best Steven King novels?

I know he's a main stream pleb tier normie author, I'm just looking for some fun scholck to read.
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Hearts in atlantis has a genuinely good first section.

The library policemen is a good yarn, and actually scary.

Bag of bones is pretty good.

Lisey's story is alright but not as good as the rest.


Most of his novels are terrible though.

IT is kinda fun
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I liked 11/22/63
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If you're just gonna read a few of his books, stay in the 70's and 80's. Carrie, 'Salem's Lot, The Stand, Dead Zone, and Pet Sematary are all fantastic genre novels. Truly the best of the best when it comes to trashy lit.

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http://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/feb/12/dream-of-the-red-chamber-cao-zuequin-chinas-favourite-novel-unknown-west?CMP=fb_gu
How is it?
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Read it and tell us
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It's good, but a lot of the reason it's not read in the West is that you need to understand Chinese allusions and puns. It's China's favourite novel because it's the basis of standardised Chinese which means you have to be able to understand it, unlike older works which were made obsolete by Redology.

Dissing Journey to the West while calling it Monkey makes me think that the author missed a lot of subtleties to the culture once he got his cheque for the translation advert.

It's a good book, but most of the reasons why it's so "well loved" are to do with politics and linguistics more than because it's the most universal of their stories, and those that aren't would probably be lost somewhat in translation.

I know Penguin released a Chuang Tzu book where they redacted elements of Chinese culture like the different kinds of ghosts as uninteresting to Western eyes, and erased most of the puns the translator tells you he enjoyed while translating it in the introduction, so I'm suspicious that they've done this one justice.
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I read a 100 or so pages of an abridged version and didn't like it. The style of it: describing outfits, vases, courtyards, and all pointless unnecessary details (or of some cultural context I'm missing) bored me. I might try it again later.

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Best self-help book ever.
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It was a submeme for a while along with Bartleby. Pretty forgettable text honestly, hence the "sub-" designation

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Is there a difference between a good story and a well-executed story?
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>>7694754
No
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Seargant Johnston didn’t quite make it out of the crater where he died.

In the damn observatory, up against the window, and elephant had thrown herself, into the river and was stuck against the window. Half submerged, it’s unclear how long the elephant has to live. A man, John, decideds he must do something about it, everything he can do about it. There is no way to get the elephant to float out against the current and the debris that make up the damn. Almost accepting defeat the man looks out through the window, past the elephant, to another room in the observatory. A little girl there is signing to the man to try and open the window. Opening the window would destroy the damn observatory, but it might give the elephant a chance to avoid drowning to death. The window is open and the baby elephant looks at the man in a sad and happy way and asks, “have you ever met my mother?”

The man is now in an airplane many thousands of feet above the sky. He is thinking about
while he chooses a song to jump out of the airplane to. The hatch door in the back of the little plane opens and all the man has to do now is jump. He waits an additional 45 seconds, timing the jump to just before the lead singer goes into a beautiful solo and sings with energy and pru.

The man is outside of the airplane free falling to the ground. The ground is at first not approaching very quickly and the man feels like he has quite a bit of time, which is good because the man has never jumped out of an airplane before. He has a parachute backpack which is not adjusted properly. The man must hold the backpack in a way that will ensure the parachute will open above him. He is looking on the left and right shoulder for a straps and decides the left strap will open the parachute. The ground is beginning to move in very quickly. The man pulls the strap that he hopes will open the parachute and it is unclear weather he is slowing down now or not. In any case the man is moving in more of a slant and not straight into the ground.

He passes either just above some trees or through them and into a field. He is too focused on the ground. The man lands, still in a slant just outside of a crater, with his head propped against an old ammo box like a pillow.
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fuck

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is death of the author wrong?
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I don't think it's really "wrong", but I do think it's too, intense you could say.

I think that the truth is that what the author meant for the text to say is very important, but it's not the only important thing. A writing cannot be separated from it's author, or from it's culture, or the time period it was written in. All of these things matter, but they are not the ONLY things that matter.

If in the Iliad you somehow find a criticism of modern day America, you aren't necessarily WRONG (unless you're absolutely bullshitting), but what you're saying is still not actually what the text meant.
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The point of 'death of the author' is not that the author's opinion/interpretation of their own work isn't fundamentally and totally meaningless and arbitrary and useless but that their opinion/etc is equally as valid (as long as it is as cogent and coherent and ... logical) as any other's (under the same criteria).
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>>7694729
Only if you take it too literally and start thinking that it means all extratextual context is irrelevant.

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Trying to reorganize my bookshelf
i haven't been this anxious in years
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Why? Just arrange them by color like every other patrician on this board.
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Dewey decimal system. There's no other possible answer btw.
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Do it in order of what you've read/plan to read in

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Your favorite books about significant historical figures that struggled with severe mental illness (not meme tier depression, something like severe schizophrenia or actual bipolar disorder) yet still made something of themselves.

I'll start with a somewhat controversial, yet widely praised biography, "A Beautiful Mind" by Sylvia Nasar.

What are your thoughts on an unauthorized biography (while the person of subject is still alive)? Something necessary for the sake of historical records, to ascertain the truth with as minimal bias as possible?
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>>7694667
Why?
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>>7694703
Do you mean why I'm interested in this topic? Why we should discuss this (implying there's even a good reason for that)? Why I named the file that (for shits and giggles but the thread is serious)?
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>>7694708
First option

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Storytime /lit/,

This is my first time ever coming here and I guess I just want to share a neat little story that you are a part of.

2 and a half years ago or so I was spending every day on [s4s], then a quite young board on 4chan (and at the height of it's quality I might add) and the frequency of my posts and perhaps the amount of thought I used to put into them then did bring me some considerable notoriety for my association with [s4s].

During sometime in 2013 I was doxxed and my grandma's address (the house I was staying at) was posted and circulated a bit for a couple weeks and then fizzled away. The only thing I received in the mail was a letter from another [s4s] user, one who I would even go as far as to call a best friend as far as anonymous/pseudonymous interaction goes. It was a poem-

At the edge of town there is a gorge,
On a cliff overlooking that gorge is a tree
And this tree bears many fruits, none of them the same.
I grew on this tree, overlooking the gorge;
Today I will fall onto the sharp rocks
That line the bottom.
My skin will split, exposing wasps and stones and rotted mold,
The dirt and rocks will be stained bright with juice.
I hope you won’t see me like that.

I hope the birds and ants strip my flesh
Until all that’s left is the gleaming white pit.
I hope you plant me
Someplace I can be reborn and grow my own tree,
My own fruit,
To drop on the ground,
Where they can open up hearts of their own onto the sharp, red rocks.
continued...
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So I keep the poem (titled "Fig") and read it fondly from time to time, I even sent a poem of my own back to the return address. A few months later I has been spending alot of time working with acoustic guitar and writing songs for [s4s] albums that were being created at the time. Around this time I reread the poem that was sent to me and it really had a profound effect on me.

I felt like I understood it in a way I hadn't before, it had a voice so to speak and I could hear it. I began to make up chords I had never used before, in progressions I had not thought of before and singing the words over them. Over the course of one night I turned "Fig" into a song and recorded it.

I submitted it for the next [s4s] album and it was the second to last track and it got alot of positive reception. I credited my [s4s] friend (who has a name that i will not say to protect his anonymity) as having written the words. Though he never stated that the poem was written by him in the hand-written letter of it sent to my grandma's house in the mail, I assumed it for sure was his and he went with it.

https://soundcloud.com/captainkek/fig
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Fast forward to somewhat present day.

I often perform at open mics and pretty much anywhere that someone let's me get onstage and one of my favorite songs to play and sing is "Fig" it touches people and everyone relates to it.

I received this message into my inbox on Soundcloud a couple weeks ago.

Hey,

This is *******. I didn't write "fig" I stole it from somebody on /lit/. I said a lot of lies, especially lies to flatter myself/make myself look good. I'm sorry. Places on the internet such as 4chan contribute to moral and spiritual bankruptcy and should be avoided. I encourage you to pray the 15 decade rosary, each day if you can. Guide + website with important information to look at for eternal salvation: www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/rosary.pdf
So I googled a bit of the lyrics and after a good bit of sifting, I confirmed through cached index results or whatever they are from Warosu Archive of /lit/ that it was indeed posted here, twice, by an anon. I couldn't open the threads because that archive was down and now I can't even find the results again.

I have never claimed to be the author of the lyrics, sometimes before I perform it I say that the internet wrote it or it was sent to me by a friend on the internet.

I don't know whose words I have been singing for the past year or more but if you are out there I want you to know just pretty much that I love you and many people have heard your words sung on top of my music and I didn't know they were yours and pretty much yeah, thank you for these two posts.

>>3652999
>>3748579
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>>7694660
They're my lyrics and you owe me BIG TIME for the extensive wealth you have accrued via your unlawful appropriation of them.

You'll receive a missive from my legal team in due course.

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