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literary disappointments thread

>you are depressed
>you buy the divine comedy
>it's not a comedy
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>>7738455

I bet you think a comedy is a funny play.
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>buy On A Winter's Night's a Traveller
>some weird printing error and it ends after ten pages
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>read naked lunch
>it's just a worse version of almost transparent blue

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This is surprisingly easy to read despite how difficult /lit/ led on that it would be. Honestly the hardest part of this book are the first few pages (Pirates dream of evacuating London). The first few pages include a lot of metaphors that I've read over and over again and cant figure out. Google has also been no use. I was wondering if you guys could help me out with a few passages here.
>No, this is not a disentanglement from, but a progressive knotting into--they go in under archways, secret entrances of rotted concrete that only looked like loops of an underpass . . . certain trestles of blackened wood have moved slowly by overhead, and the smells begun of coal from days far to the past, smells of naphtha winters, of Sundays when no trafflc came through, of the coral-like and mysteriously vital growth, around the blind curves and out the lonely spurs, a sour smell of rolling-stock absence, of maturing rust, developing through those emptying days brilliant and deep, especially at dawn, with blue shadows to seal its passage, to try to bring events to Absolute Zero
What exactly does he mean by, "knotting into"? Does this refer to Nazi forces taking over Britain? And what about the part about blue shadows and absolute zero? I honestly dont have a clue what that's referring to.

Also, is the Hotel they wind up in (in the dream) supposed to be hell?
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U sure r smrt.
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>>7738477
Didn't claim to be. I know I'm not above average intelligence, so I dont really find that very insulting
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>>7738453
Your task in these dreams is often to pens

I want to read NHK, Index, KonoSuba, fate/strange fake and fate/prototype
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>>>/a/ or something like that, not /lit/
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>>7738385
just because it triggers you don't mean shit.
Go to nyaa OP, there are torrents of almost all of them.

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Economics

OC compilation
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>>7738370
>no smith
>no marx
>no brain u dum bitch
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>>7738384
>reading smith or marx
humanities retard detected
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>>7738414
>Studies economics
>Calls others retard

>Studies economics
>Hasn't read Smith or Marx
>Calls others retard

>literary fiction vs genre fiction

why is the former superior to the latter?
I didn't understand those articles I read on the net.
What I got was:
Literary fiction seems to put emphasis on style and themes
Genre fiction seems to focus on plot.

Is Candide literary fiction or genre fiction? What about PKD's do androids dream of electric sheep?
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>>7738326
>literary fiction
Candide
>genre fiction
PKD

This is not to say that there are not crossovers (Tolkien and Stanislaw Lem for fantasy and sci-fi, McCarthy for the Western) but genre fiction usually exists within a specified genre like HORROR, which would be ok if for some reason, probably lack of originality, most authors in genre fiction do not innovate (Orcs are attacking!), or if they do, clearly do it in reaction to a set standard (like Orcs being good guys).
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>>7738352
But say, what if a tolkien fantasy was re-used to make a satire on modern society (like turning politicians into elves, the lower classes into orcs, etc)? would that turn it into literary fiction?
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>>7738366
yuck, that sounds like a kickstarted city building game.

And yes, most fantasy is stuffed full of overdone allegory. A possible exception are Brave New World and 1984 read as sci-fi, but they did something original at that time, you cant go back and reinvent the wheel.

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Are there any half-decent English translations of Dream of The Red Chamber?
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>>7738268
for the great chinese classics, Foreign Language Press is my go-to.
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>>7738298
i JUST got my copy of their Journey to the West today. really nice collection. I'm looking forward to getting the rest of them, since it doesn't look like there's easy access to ebook versions of the unabridged classics. Fantastic stuff, really, i've read a few excerpts in comparison, and there's a clear difference in the quality.
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>>7738268
I've seen David Hawkes' version recommended. Can't comment myself though.

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What are /lit/s thoughts on Cioran? Any similar works to recommend? Already read and Nietzsche and a fair bit of existentialism and absurdism
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Honestly, he makes A LOT of sense sometimes, but it's mostly funny to see how someone could be such an edgelord
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>>7738255
Are there any other writers at the same level?
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>>7738294
Schoppy perhaps?

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Is he considered pleb-tier?
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>>7738233
yes
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>>7738233
this man in my country, he is nothing.
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>>7738235
any reasons why? Never read him desu, just curious

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Nabokov was crazy about it and I've heard it's quite unique and insane. What do you say /lit/, should I read it?
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>>7738101
yes. read the elsworth translation. (unless you're patrish enough to speak russian)

easily the Joyce of russian literature. the man was an absolute genius. you will not be disappointed.
>is reminded of the Myriapod
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>>7738118

>The Joyce of russian lit

That's why I'm afraid to read a translation. I'm learning Russian now, might as well just wait and read the original at this point...
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>There are many similarities with Joyce'sUlysses: the linguistic rhythms and wordplay, the Symbolist and subtle political concerns which structure the themes of the novel, the setting of the action in a capital city that is itself a character, the use of humor. The differences are also notable: the English translation of Bely remains more accessible, his work is based on complex rhythm of patterns, and, according to scholarly opinion, does not use such a wide variety of innovations. But these innovations, which subvert commonplace literary rhetoric, are necessary to conveying Petersburg at such a tumultuous time.

Holy shit some people take themselves so fucking seriously

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hey /lit/

I won't even try to act as if this isn't for a paper, because it is. I am writing on jealousy and I found a perfect quote from Nietzsche - problem is I can't really explain it well.

can anyone tell me what Nietzsche's thoughts on jealousy are? any general info to "beyond good and evil?"

deadline is due to today, so yeah i'm fucked
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whats the quote?

also try >>>/hm/ for homework help
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He doesn't like it.

beyond good and evil is the view of originality creation of new "philosopher" but jealousy is the calling back unto already-is, jealousy therefore is inherently anti-beyond-good-and-evil

there i did your hw
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>>7738130
He doesn't like it? LOL.
You haven't read Nietzsche.

He doesn't really talk about jealousy. More about envy. But let's assume they are the same thing.

He says basically that envy is good because it makes you want to be a better you.

You want something someone else has because it makes that other person seem better than you.

So when you get that thing that makes the other person seem better than you, you have improved yourself.

Don't listen to >>7738130, he doesn't know what he's talking about.

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Hello /lit/
this is my first time posting on this board
i recently started reading this book *pic related*
i'm really getting in to it. so i searched the map of moscow metropolitan to better visualize the environment of the book, but i would like the edited map which is exactly like the maps in the book, i need map where things will be marked put for example station which is under control of fascists.
any of you have that kind of map?
also keep in mind that i hadn't finished the book yet and don't spoil a bro please
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artyom is kill the entire time.
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Oh no no no no.
Just stay with the games.
The books are full of deus ex machina.
Also a really bad ending.
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>>7738075
i didn't know there was a game
anyway i like the book so far and not planning to quit yet

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Blood Meridian isn't grabbing me and I wonder if it's because Congregation of Jackals is so much better. Both are savage westerns, but Jackals has a definitely plot whereas Blood is brutal and meandering like a Jodorowsky film.
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>mfw watching El Topo right after finishing Blood Meridian
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I would keep this to myself if I were you
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>>7738058
THATS LITERALLY THE APPEAL OF THE BOOK KILL YOURSELF

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English is not my mother tongue, but I want to improve it by reading some novels. I have Nicholas Nickleby, but that doesn't seem like the best thing to start with (although, I really want to read Dickens). Do you have any recommendations?
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improve your english by reading the sticky
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>>7738047
read walt whitman yah fucking cunt
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>>7738063
the sticky doesn't have valid links anymore.

Okay, /lit/. I have a problem. I'm studying English Lit at uni atm, but I'm absolutely fucking retarded when it comes to poetic metre. I've been avoiding my poetry module for this reason. If I'm asked to work out the prosody of the poem I'm either 100% right or completely off the mark. I'm sort of 'tone deaf' when it comes to analysing stressed and unstressed syllables. I know all the correct terms once I figure out the beat (dactyls, iambic, etc.), but I just can't work out stressed and unstressed syllables for the life of me. Do any of you have any advice on how to count stressed and unstressed syllables correctly? I'll read the same poem aloud three times and each time I'll come out w/ a different metre for each line.

I'm not sure how anyone could give advice over this as it's so obvious. I have a strong Welsh accent, so that might be why I'm getting confused.
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>>7738032
Stephen Fry's The Ode Less Travelled. Read it, listen to it, love it.
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poetic metre doesn't matter anymore.
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>>7738032
I am too. But I think I can match meter alright:

The clouds rain on the soft porch,
the brain plays with the blue torch.
This is just stupid,
This is just ruin.

It's hard to say how it works but it just does.

Anyone feel free to correct my meter.

I finally read The Metamorphosis last weekend. I can't stop thinking about it. It's been a while since I felt this moved by a book.

What do you guys think about it?
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>>7738000
I haven't read it yet, so this comment is mostly useless, but I am currently reading Das Schloß and it has also moved me, his writing style has a very eerie sense about it, I can't describe it well. Now that you said this about The Metamorphosis, I really want to read it next. Is it similar to Das Schloß? (I believe it's translated as The Castle, but I'm not sure)
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Read this for my lit class in highschool and I think its a really good short story. Also my teacher and I argued over whether his metamorphosis actually happened or if It was all in his head what do you guys think?
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>>7738000
i thought it was quite Kafkaesque XD

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