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I don't even know how to respond to this

This is a meme book tho, he lost every will for tellling a story in second half

>>7826288
How is he a SJW? He is never self destructive and self hating like a SJW would be, he's simply saying we are all men of flesh and bone. It's the American romanticism idea of friendship and bonding.

Saged.

Sam is a bro. Pretty down to earth guy.

>>7826258
If a hyper-utilitarian, world-wide fascist government ever comes to power, it will be thanks to people like him.

>>7826339
Hes pretty anti totalitarian. Hes a true liberal. Have you ever actually read anything by him or are you just a reactionary?

i mean ill take it but wew

>only one volume

>>7826257

The one I'm really interested in is a certain edition of Volume XLVI.

l'etranger

A la recherche du temps perdu

>Humanity… All of my suffering on this world has been at the hands of humanity, particularly women.

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>[Author], PhD

changed my views on life- someone
amazing!- someone
Stop it already

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>More than 100 000 Facebook likes!

Don Quixote is funny as fuck.

It gets heavier in the second half, which he wrote far later. Forewarning. People will probably spoil it ITT.

"THEMES" is kind of a meme. Try starting with some basic New Historicism. When you're done with the book, which is a good choice because it's breezy and fun and you won't get bogged down, go read about its background and Cervantes' milieu and "social messages" and blah blah blah. Then branch out from there (maybe try SparkNotes) into major schools of criticism, and just see what kind of things they do with it.

Being able to "detect themes" as a literature reader mostly means having a good understanding of literary traditions and their historical and intellectual situation. Anyone with a good intro and overview can understand the "themes" and messages and underlying motivations behind a Candide or a War & Peace, at least to a reasonable degree. Really enjoyable appreciation of literature comes later, when you can take something like Dickens or whatever and appreciate its contradictions, its conflicts, when you have some knowledge of contrasting scholarly positions on it, when you've studied things that are similar to it or directly relate to it. That only comes with time and immersion.

For the most part, modern literary scholars apply very monolithic critical frameworks to relatively narrow purviews. Some are better read than others in general, and some are more capacious in terms of their critical frameworks, but it's not some secret club where everyone Knows Literature and you're not invited because you don't. The vast majority of them are actually unimaginative rote memorizers who would know less than you do about stuff not directly in their crosshairs if you happened to take a mediocre survey course in it.

>>7826189
So I should read and grasp what I can intellectually while looking at criticisms and such after I finish?

What you're saying makes sense. I've always thought that I have a brain more geares towards science and math because I sucked at critically analyzing shit in high school, but I suppose I just never got enough books under my belt to be able to have a foundation to analyze different works. Sorry for the short blog, I just want to clarify where I'm coming from. Thanks for the help and suggestions, mate.

>>7826533
quixote is a classic. just think about how words and ideas can have completely different meanings because the words don't mean the idea they are our interpretation of the idea and each person's interpretation of things passes through the scope of their own idealogy. And the make up of this ideaology is different for everyone, as evidenced by sancho and quixote

Don Quixote was the first work to really examine this idea, thus becoming the first modern novel

And yes it does get darker in part two. Quixote's suffering changes from physical to mental in part two and at times its pretty sad.. enjoy it though one of my favorites

>not wanting all of your books to look rugged and used

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I protect only my kindle. I am a little bit paranoic so I take pic rel with me to transport it frm one place to another.

Small books I keep in my pocket, don't take bigger books outside.

god i hope so

>>7826111
But, seriously. What the fuck does he mean by this?

>>7826022
but that's a quote from gabriel garcia marquez

Charles Manson

Stewart Ruggles Little

David Copperfield

>>7825904
The Brothers Karamazov

The Republic will improve your enjoyment of the other books afterward.

>>7825912
>>7825904

Karamazov is great, but I think something else would be a better introduction to him since Karamazov is the culmination of his thought and writing.

From among the books listed, I recommend The Republic.

>subjective opinion of others
>over-generalization
You are just as bad

>subjective taste in books

found the /redditor/

lol he goes on the literature board and argues about literatures!! what a loser!! upboats all round

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>>7825787
What you need to understand is that Middle English, all the way up until Chaucer, isn't really its own independent language so much as a clusterfuck of Anglo-Norman, French, German, Scandinavian, Latin and then further hindered by a lack of any established overarching grammatical rules. Even in reading the later works I would highly recommend either a grammar guide book or a Middle English dictionary through the internet.

While it does initially make the language seem like a meaningless transitory stage lacking in sophistication and very few great literary works, in actuality it lends it a fluidity and creativity that few languages have ever been able to equal.

Take "Mayden, moder milde" from the Harley manuscript as an example.Notice the symmetrical line switches between French and English, the fluid rhyming structure and the complex portrayal of Mary as both mother of Jesus and mother of a son who chose to die for reasons she can't fully understand:

¶ Mayden, moder milde,
Oiez cel oreysoun.
From shome thou me shilde,
E de ly mal feloun;
For love of thine childe,
Me menez de tresoun.
Ich wes wod ant wilde;
Ore su en prisoun.

Thou art feyr ant fre,
E plein de douçour.
Of the sprong the ble,
Ly soverein Creatour.
Mayde, byseche Y the
Vostre seint socour.
Meoke ant mylde, be with me
Pur le sue amour.

Tho Judas Jesum founde,
Donque ly beysa;
He wes bete ant bounde,
Que nous tous fourma.
Wyde were is wounde
Qe le Gyw ly dona.
He tholede harde stounde,
Me poi le greva.

On ston ase thou stode,
Pucele, tot pensaunt,
Thou restest the under rode:
Ton fitz veites pendant;
Thou seye is sides of blode,
L'alme de ly partaunt.
He ferede uch an fode
En mound que fust vivaunt.

Ys siden were sore;
Le sang de ly cora.
That lond was forlore,
Mes il le rechata.
Uch bern that wes ybore
En enfern descenda;
He tholede deth therfore,
En ciel puis mounta.

Tho Pilat herde the tydynge,
Molt fu joyous baroun;
He lette byfore him brynge
Jesu Nazaroun.
He was ycrouned kynge
Pur nostre redempcioun.
Whose wol me synge
Avera grant pardoun.

The Canterbury Tales, Sir Gawain and Le Mortre D'Arthur are all some of the greatest stories ever written, but they are written in a later Middle English that doesn't really capture the many faceted creative clusterfuck that is real Middle English lit.

Check out Ancrene Wisse, The Ormulum and The Peterborough Chronicle for some real Philological adventure.

>>7825831
Did people seriously use this as a language? This is literally half French and half English with what seems like German randomly thrown in

>>7825910
Absolutely, this was a time when the large majority of the population spoke what was spoken around them, and England was the most multicultural country in Europe.

>>7825739
bump out of interest

In my experience, German writers are shit. Trust me. I'm an expert on my opinion of German literature.

>>7826654
Okay, thanks for your contribution.

>>7825568
It's not an affectation. His brain is fried from all the drugs.

I have spoken to him several times in Brooklyn and Manhattan. That is how he talks. If you don't like, the solution is not to listen to him. It's not like he's on TV or radio all day. You have to seek him out to hear his voice. You are a fucking asshole.

>>7826164
wow id heard you browsed /lit/

me me me

What did he blow all his cash on before going back?

But he didn't loaf the whole time, he worked in a coal mine which is difficult and dangerous work.