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What does it mean to "teleologically suspend the ethical?" I want to know so that I can make quirky, intellectual jokes to impress my friends using cool words like teleologically. Haha I like being part of a cool intellectual group it makes me feel really smart haha. Lol, Donald trump just teleologically suspended the ethical am I right guys? xD Lol it's funny because if you juxtaposed (that's a good, smart person word right?) the cool phrase like "teleologically suspend the ethical" with something like cats/Donald trump/comics it's like what!! that doesn't belong because one thing is like, dumb and the other is smart so haha that doesn't belong!! xD. So yeah what does it mean??? P.S. Pic related is my face when someone says "teleologically suspend the ethical" lmao! (also my favorite author he's a pretty smart guy and he probably knew what it meant to "teleologically..." *loses breath* haha what a long phrase xD)
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Quite the dialectic you've got there. Highest form of aletheia(another greek word) really sheds light on the nature of shitposting as a whole.
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>>7824540
The ends justify the means, basically.
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>>7824563
>>7824540
these are really really really good posts

Which book that you have read has the most to say? i.e. which book that you have read has taught you the most about the human condition/whatever?
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>>7824504
>human condition
when will this meme die
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>>7824504
I dunno. I don't read self-important garbage. I read genre fiction garbage.
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More like a pop-sociological TV-series critique essay but whatever

http://www.ribbonfarm.com/2009/10/07/the-gervais-principle-or-the-office-according-to-the-office/

Also Myth of Sisyphus and The Rebel

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Just finished reading Jackson's Haunting at Hill House. Does it deserve to be classified as a 'classic' novel? Books in the horror genre are always difficult to raise to that status..it seemed a little heavy handed with the main character's absurd ineptitude with human interaction. Thoughts? Other horror novels that are better quality?
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>>7824459
>it seemed a little heavy handed with the main character's absurd ineptitude with human interaction. Thoughts?
never read dostoevsky
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>>7824459

First of all OP, I want to unironically congratulate you on reading this source text, and also to state for the record that I have not read it (then why the congratulations?)

You don't sound too impressed with the book OP, but it opens up a multimedia discussion, mostly in movieland but I'll nod back to /lit territory.

If you haven't yet, you ABSOLUTELY SHOULD watch an old B/W movie based on what you've read, simply titled "The Haunting". It was directed by Robert Wise, an old popular Hollywood bigshot who later did The Sound of Music and the first Star Trek Movie, so he could work across multiple genres.

However, there are several other SIMILARLY-TITLED movies worth totally avoiding. The above film adaptation was later redone as an absolutely terrible CG-shitfest circa 1999, I think Catherine Zeta Jones was involved. Avoid avoid avoid, only watch the above.

On the other hand, there are a pair of similarly made-then-remade movies, with redeeming qualities. "The Haunted House on the Hill" is an unrelated work with Vincent Price, with high-camp value. It was later remade with Chris Kattan among others (the release dates, basic premises and titles among all four of these films are confusingly similar), and although also "cheap", it has some inspired/spooky stop-action art going on. Try these, maybe, but ABSOLUTELY NOT the wretched one above.

Finally, the OP got me thinking about female horror writers (Mary Shelley? Shirly Jackson?), but also of the Hellraiser novella The Hellbound Heart, which hews closely to my lit/tv crosspost. In the latter case, the author Barker actually directed a culturally important film deriving from his own novella. I'm not aware of any other career writer who has ever shepherded an original film work in such a unique way, usually it's handed off to someone else adapt, or at the very least direct.
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Yes, I certainly thought while reading it that it had the potential to translate well into film. I was unaware that there were any adaptations, I'll have to check that out further.
The novel is quite dependent on the main character's inner monologue to drive the anxiety, claustrophobia, and paranoia that makes this a true example of 'horror' fiction, so again, would be interesting to see how that works in the medium of film.
It's an easy read, if you want to delve into the source text. It's short, simple, and frustrating.
It also has some half-hearted themes regarding suppressed sexuality that don't hold quite the same significance to today's reader as they would have in the 1950s.

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What do you do when you're 30 pages into writing a short story and realize only 10 pages of it are usable?
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>>7824435
Throw away 20 pages.
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>>7824439
P much
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>short story
>30 pages

>>7824439

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superior tunnel coming thru
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Nah, too edgy. Don't know if that was on purpose or not.
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>>7824332
Okay. Why? Please explain why you feel this is better without using buzzwords.
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>>7824350
He probably only read it (reddit?) and not Gass's. I haven't read either one myself so I have no opinion on this atm, but I doubt he's actually read both.

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>Facebook URL on the back of the book
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>>7824276
>not solely subsisting on books published before
the advent of the internet
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>>7824276
>go to B&N
>intend on buying Fear And Loathing
>finally find it under Current Events of all things
>pull it off shelf
>movie poster is the cover
>mfw
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>>7824795
>implying old things are the only good thing

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Is there anything that I should read before The Tunnel? I heard that it has a fair amount of references, and I don't want them to all go over my head. In addition, how difficult is it in comparison to the other meme books?
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>>7824249
this film is good
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Let the memes begin!
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Consider reading more about Gass, and looking into his essays.

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What do you books / essays / topics do you listen to while running?
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>>7824189
to the sound of my throbbing cock.
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I listen to the History of Philosophy Without Any Gaps. Unless a new Common Sense by Dan Carlin episode has come out. Then that takes priority.
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>>7824189
>Running

but /fit/ said cardio will kill my gains!

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I nominate American Beauty. Pic related.

INT. BURNHAM HOUSE - MASTER BATH - MOMENTS LATER
Lester thrusts his face directly into a steaming hot shower.
ANGLE from outside the shower: Lester's naked body is silhouetted through the fogged-up glass door. It becomes apparent he is masturbating.
LESTER (V.O.)
(amused)
Look at me, jerking off in the shower.
(then)
This will be the high point of my day. It's all downhill from here.

Post /lit/ approved screenplays.
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>>7824112
No they are not, cinema is a childish waste of time.
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>>7824117
epic, my friend
upboat
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American Beauty is a really embarrassingly stupid screenplay. Just imagine what kind of asshole could watch, or even read, that bag scene with a straight face.

Anything Paddy Chayefsky wrote is patrish tho.

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Excuse me if this is considered a redundant question here, but I'd like to know; what are some more books of this style?

I.E an engaging and readable story elevated by particularly elegant use of prose?
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>>7824081
Book of the New Sun
Sons and lovers
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The razors edge
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>>7824097
That's that book about conmen right?

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Hey, /lit/;
I'm looking for some good cyberpunk. Not the 80's exposed-circuitry-and-punk-hair cyberpunk, but a more modern style exhibited in the newer incarnations of GitS, Deus Ex: HR. Smarter, more realistic tech and interesting storylines than 30 years back had if that makes any sense
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>>7824072
its called post cyberpunk
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>>7824078
Ok, if that's what it's called that's what I'm looking for. good stories within that realm.
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Jeff noon - vurt

The only cyber punk worth reading

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What's the general consensus on this? Picked up for dirt cheap at a thrift store.
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pseudo-philosphy
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Essay disguised as a novel. It's painfully pretentious. You will skip pages A LOT. Pirsig is extremely self-involved. You will be thinking "Man, this guy is an asshole" the whole time.
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Swill for cowards.

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>>7823805
I started with The Lime Twig, which is now--after The Tunnel, of course--my favorite novel. On a side note, I found and bought a first edition hardcover copy of Adventures in the Alaskan Skin Trade recently, but I haven't started it yet.
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>>7823840
Have you read Second Skin? If so was it good?
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>>7823870
Not yet, though I do plan on making my way through all of Hawkes' works. If you want better answers, you'll have to summon he who has read more of Hawkes than anyone else on this board--Hawkesposter. I recommend a sacrificial offering.

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>reads Schopenhauer once
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>reads Camus once
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Reads Nietzsche once

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=va9V1VcsyKU
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>read any Russian author once

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What's /lit/ opinion on this?
I personally love it because:
>humor
>philosophy
>historical references
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Never read it, but it's definitely on my list. I'll bump your thread/give you an extra IP to samefag.

How does it compare to other voyage literature like Gulliver and Sinbad? More ribald, right? Actually, I read a short excerpt of it, concerning the weapon-growing plants. Rabelais clearly knows things deeply, so again, I'll try to read it entirely in the future.
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Why again are they giants?

Also what's up with physicians being the greatest french authors
>Rabelais
>Celine
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>>7823692
But not Moliere, Hugo, or Proust?

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