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to an extent yeah the 'big three' but not all of scifi

PKD and Ursla K le guin are two major examples of left and anti-authoritarian scifi authors

No,I don't think so. Certainly for some books (like Heinlein's ouvre) but not the genre in its entirety.

I think there's this tendency in academia to be overly wary of anything that could be potentially viewed as Hilter-esque. It's like a hyper-Hitler-awareness. Fascism has been the western academic boogeyman over the last half-century; writers from within leftist frameworks seem to see it in every shadow, and stretch credibility to the breaking point to reveal the secret fascist threat that hides in plain sight.

Any time a work of fiction - sci-fi/fantasy or not - celebrates basic and often considered to be desirable ideals like individualism and honor, there's a backlash from within the academic left against the perceived fascist threat returning from the grave, as if it's impossible to write classical hero narratives without harboring secret desires to kill the Jews. It's a real sort of paranoia.

And I think irrational paranoia has been the central element contributing to America's current social climate. Fear the terrorist Muslims, fear the internet sexists, fear the Nazi Trump, fear the communist Bernie, fear the church, fear the state, fear for your way of life. The reason I sound so bitter is that academia pretends to be elevated from this, and yet contributes to the paranoia that pervades the left, only adding fuel to the fire.

I've read Iron Dream! It was a hilarious joke that quickly got boring.

Afterword with the fake life history was good tho.

>>7835331
>as if it's impossible to write classical hero narratives without harboring secret desires to kill the Jews.

The big comic bookmovie boom is nothing but classical (boring) hero narratives, and no-one's shouting Hitler

>>7835192
kill yourself

>>7835192
Learning to type might be a good starting point

>>7835192
>subvocalization
is that when you whisper what you read?
Why don't you just stop doing it, and see how far you get?
Hell, tape your mouth shut.

my diary t b h

Is The Fault in Our Stars first person? Because they're cancerous.

>>7835218
>>7835218
Could you shitpost somewhere else please? Thanks.

>>7835109
nothing

some of the most depressing literature this side of russia

fatherdubs

>>7835088
bunp

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I usually read one fiction, one historical/biographical/autobiographical, and one "study" book, such as The History of Western Philosophy.

i'm combining entry level lit theory with novels and essays.

>>7834990
finnegans wake

>>7834997
Never heard of it, whats it about?

Anything by Peter sotos

>>7834988
>translation

There's only two. That one which is from the early 20th century and pretty difficult to read because of a lot of antiquated language, and the Penguin Classics one translated by Henry Bettenson which is lucid.

>>7835005
I heard that the Bettenson one is not very faithful to Civitas Dei

it doesn't matter

>>7834885
yes

>>7834885

Yes and no. Yes: most of us are familiar with it from the Radio Lab story, and apparently it was a minor design meme on pop stars' clothing.

No: part of what an effective meme has to do, is to spread WIDELY, and eventually become misunderstood and quoted ad nauseum by annoying teenagers. This is what both internet memes and various famous historical documents have in common. In both cases, their real historical origins and meanings are partially lost in favor of banal repetition so basic bitches can look smart at the Starbucks, or wherever it is that they go now. A meme worthy of the name has to go viral at some point, as we well know.

I have actually looked for this book on multiple occasions in RL bookstores of various types, that had a decent chance of actually having the thing. I've never seen it in stock in any bookstore. Moreover, the above pop-star popularization failed to even register with the public. People who browse /lit/ are part of a small group of people (including a few academics and basic-bitch NPR coffeshoppers, I guess, significant overlap among these) who are even aware that the book exists. We ourselves haven't even turned it into a funposting exercise a la Stirner. I would be interested to hear from anyone who has actually even read it - I haven't.

If this book is a meme, it's not far above Milhouse.

>>7834838
Yeah, I read it.
But I'm referring to the 'read' in past tense-- I read it, when I was an edgy 8th grader.

>>7834838
Satanism is like mgtow. Pseudo-individualism for pussies who want to feel like they're going against the grain but don't want to do the work of knowing what the grain is, if there are other grains, and why one should follow or oppose certain grains.

>>7834841
I did that too; for about a year I was a Satanic Edgelord. I even got black spacers on my braces. My parents are saints for putting up with that shit.

Granted, I haven't read it since then, but I seem to remember the gist being "religion is stupid, talk shit get hit."

Read the sticky

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>So i began my intellectual journey
The best thing you can do right now is stop. You have nothing to gain.

You don't believe me, of course -- and you'll persist in your pursuit of some vague, ill-formed idea of "enlightenment." You'll pour hours and hours into this quest, and each hour will make the final punchline funnier: that you were never lacking anything to begin with, that you have always been perfect, even in ignorance.

>>7834819
This.

There's nothing to be found at the 'end' of your journey.

The first one

Is there a real distinction between the two?

Do people really even have natures?

Does he intervene because he was angry and subconsciously, maybe just spoiling for a fight?

Does he wonder if on a different day he might have had second thoughts?

I don't think a good book is one where an author directly tells the audience that "this is a good person" or "this guy is not a good person, but he's trying"

A good book has interpretive elements held together by a strong core theme that is demonstrated in the way characters act out their own internal conflicts.

Maybe the question you posit is a question he asks himself?

"Am I a bad person who's trying to be good, or a good person who doesn't know it yet?"

Self-doubt is a pretty key theme, especially if you're dealing with the struggle towards heroism.

>>7834745
>Maybe the question you posit is a question he asks himself?
I do like this, actually. I see the character as being something like a rebel at heart. He lives in a pretty fucked authoritarian society, his family has suffered tremendously at the hands of the government, he himself is a criminal and a thief, etc. A reason for him intervening in a mugging would probably be a simple hatred of seeing someone weak getting screwed over by someone stronger.

How does that sound? The problem I am having is I am not sure if having his family deleted by the gov't would incline him towards helping others fight back or against what he might see as a hopeless cause.

wtf happened to rob starks mom. I thought they brought her back to life? also who brought her back to life again?

>>7834684
reddit general?

>>7834692
The Red Priest from that outlaw band resurrected her.

>>7834704
ASoIaF is literature last time I checked and we are discussing it.

The Murder, Betrayal, and Slaughter of Charles, Count of Flanders is a great introduction to high medieval lay thought

Medieval isn't a genre

once and future king is the only acceptable /lit answer

>>7834617
>Donna Haraway
>post-modern
REEEEEEEEEEEEE

nice bait, r8 it 8/8

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but does current /lit/ even know who she is?

Naked Lunch by William Burroughs.

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>>7834578
You don't want to know.

Well, this here fella's gone taken his asshole for a walk, but I ain't read to seen where he takin' it.