Do we privilege the author or the work?
>>8313663
in my ironfisted authoritarian dictatorship works will all be published anonymously to encourage discourse on aesethics rather than the cancers of egos and agenda
>>8313663
But does the privilege then in turn work the author or the work author the privilege?
Who Knows
i'm finally doing it, i've decided to dive into Ulysses and try to understand it the best I can. My question to you is how should I go about using the annotations? as of now i'm marking in the annotations in the chapter before i read them so i don't have to flip back and forth between books, but its a very long process and it expands my reading time by a good hour or two (sometimes even more depending on the length of the chapter), is there a more convenient way to do this? how did you read the book? did you even use annotations at all?
Sounds like quite an undertaking.. I for one havent read it but im wondering what did you read as 'preparation' for it?
>read the chapter with annotations
>read the corresponding chaptee of Stuart Gilbert's "James Joyce's Ulysses"
>read the chapter again without annotations
It goes without saying that you should read carefully, take notes, and concentrate on difficult passages.
>>8313666
i've read through the odyssey multiple times, with annotations bc i heard that Ulysses is a retelling of that a lot, i've also read a lot of prose-heavy work to try and get use to the style, as well as i've read other Joyce works to familiarize myself with his style. i've read multiple essays on Ulysses and gathered multiple perspectives. its been more than a year leading up to this point, and i'm still not sure if i'm ready
Do any /lit/ anons know any resources for learning Latin?
Are there any anons that can speak/read Latin? If so how did you go about practicing it?
I can speak and read Latin.
>>8313632
How did you go about learning and practicing it?
Have you ever learned a second language before?
I need something uplifting to read /lit/
Books with a positive message about humanity please
the descent of the dove by charles williams
East of Eden desu
>>8313603
pic relatedit's literally goodenough
this is the first /lit/ book i've read inyears, so please bear with me if these ideas are elementary/played out. i'm still interested in hearing /lit/'s thoughts on this.
so, basically this is a book about the artifice of art - language, literature, representation, and perhaps of human experience?
this reminds me a lot of films like antonioni's blowup and hitchcock's vertigo -- where the "romantic paradox" seems to be embodied: experience and vitality are at odds with conscious awareness; or, in other words, reality and representation (variations of this duality -- the concrete vs abstract, phenomena vs noumena, synthesis vs analysis, reality vs spirit)...
reflecting our own existential tragedy, the faustian bargain of art itself -- of photography, film, literature -- is that while it seems to capture life, it does so at the expense of being in reality devoid of life and never actually capturing, in any authentic sense, life itself
this is reflective of how we live -- when we're in the moment, it is because that our experience is so in-the-moment, uncontaminated by reflection, that makes it so vital and human; when we think about things retrospectively, sure, they're eternal and ideal, but the cost is that such things are no longer lived
lolita reflects these points beyond conventional ontological register, and thus becomes an embodiment of these points as well:
in humbert's memorialization of lolita, lolita obviously winds up reduced to an object of his fancies, a figment of the imagination and memory -- to us she seems a pretty, attractive mist, but with nothing of her, dolores, herself underneath it all (and her childhood robbed from her -- who else thinks this story was incredibly sad?)
the language is written seductively, of which nabokov must be self-aware, but he is also aware of its substantial bankruptcy -- it's beautiful, but it's beautiful just to be nice to read and doesn't really contribute to any sort of conventional moral payoff or anything; what, then, is the point of it all? -- i believe this question is the very point...
(also, the ambiguity of character here -- do we like the guy, as he certainly seems to be portrayed -- if only in his own account -- sympathetic to me, or hate him, for continuing to fuck lo's life up despite knowing that it's a shitty thing to do -- is like )
within the metafiction, the episodes are like subjective memory in all of its artifice. this reminds us again of the lifelessness of our remembered experiences, and in a way the impossibility of art (and memory and representation) to authentically express life itself -- for then it would be lived experience
i have some questions:
is humbert a sympathetic character? if it's ambiguous, what is that supposed to mean?
what do you think this book is about? anything i missed? any crazy theories?
lol, ignore the parenthetical about the ambiguity of character, which i ended up asking as a question
>>8313566
bump
>is humbert a sympathetic character?
I don't think so. He was very conniving and cowardly. I got the impression that he could very well have lived a normal life and controlled his perversions, but didn't. Not because he lacked the willpower exactly, but he found the idea of hurting someone else more appealing than denying himself something he wanted.
>what do you think this book is about?
I think when you strip back the artifice of it, getting away from how the book is written and the broader implications of its social commentary, it's about selfishness. Maybe this is a bit of a stretch, but I think there's a common thread in all the main characters in that they don't hesitate to indulge their desires at the expense of other people.
This series worth investing myself in? The first novel seems awful.
>>8313559
No. It's awful.
>>8313608
Is there any decent epic fiction out there?
>>8313559
everything past the first book is amazing. :(
Do you think it's possible maybe if we could all chime in and upload our personal libraries to the net as a way of open-ended sharing? I'm led to believe some of us have literature that is otherwise barred from others. The purpose of the library, as I see it, is to provide the widest possible chronological/genre-specific catalog of books we can find and maintain.
archive.org is one suggestion for a platform.
https://archive.org/about/faqs.php#1051
I realize this requires some extraordinary commitment from the /lit/ community. It would be tremendous if it can pull through, it could be a great and accessible resource that is both affordable to maintain and to add onto.
There are already websites that offer pretty much everything one could want. If there are books that aren't online, it's because no one could be bothered to scan them. And people here are too lazy to do that.
>>8313542
>There are already websites that offer pretty much everything one could want.
It's true, true and true. I think what I really had to emphasize in the OP and failed to do was make a "comprehensive catalog" that spans across all probable authors of every possible genre out there.
>It's a "Dan Simmons whines about Islam" episode
>>8313502
Who dafuq dat is? Looks pleb
write your suicide note in this thread.
>>8313496
rub a dub dbu, thanks for the grub
Asuka>Rei
I give back to you what you gave me. You vapid whores.
i may have caused myself severe internal bleeding through rectal insertion
Thought on von Kleist? Do you prefer his fiction or philosophy?
>>8313464
I could give you a reply on this-here question but at first I want you to respond on Saltykov-Shchedrin in kind. Because how would I know else the depth you are expecting, kraut? So, Michael Saltykov-Shchedrin: Do you prefer his satires, fairy tales, novels or articles and travel memoirs?
>>8313464
the depth im expecting should be evident in the question. i would answer, as deep as a flaming torch.
Just finished this book. Who wants to discuss it?
>>8313434
did you agree with the book before reading it?
>>8313434
how long are the hairs on your neck?
>>8313434
where did you get your cargo shorts?
What parts of the Tanakh/Hebrew Bible and the Apocrypha are worth reading? I know what parts of the New Testament are worth reading but I couldn't find anything in the wiki about the tanakh and the apocrypha.
How often are we gonna have these threads... Just read the damn thing and find out for yourself
>>8313658
>wasting hours of my life reading shitty jew laws just to find out it wasnt worth it
noty
>>8313688
Shakespeare read all of it too tho
I have a decent grasp of prose and i think I'm pretty clever but i cant think of any stories i want to tell and im worried that i have nothing to say. anyone else feeling this feel? pic unrelated obv
>>8313399
>but i cant think of any stories i want to tell and im worried that i have nothing to say
Not a big deal, you're just not a writer.You're a journalist.
>>8313831
What about being a gonzo journalist? That's awesome, and you can make great stories out of them.
>>8313399
I think of myself of a creative person, and I get ideas or concepts for stories out of many things (like this Republican Convantion, lately). Put yourself in the place of a journalist in a twisted location or situation, and that's it. You could make a nice story, even if you take the journalist out of it.
>>8313841
>make great stories out of them.
>OUT OF IT
Shit. I didn't modify my original comment, and that looks fucked up.
What's the best version of the bible for the most accurate version of the Old/New testament that isn't the original language it was written in?
New Oxford Annotated
Ignatius Press annotated Bible
Jefferson Bible
Does /lit/ know any good books about trees? Books on tree species (general or local), arboriculture, tree farming, etc. Nonfiction, fiction (though preferably observational / informative - think The Peregrine), memoir. I'm not looking for poetry, but feel free to post it anyway.
>>8313361
Anybody?
no idea but i would read fiction about trees