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ulysses is one

no im not memeing

>>8452887
w2c those jeans

>>8452884
I think the appendix is more just an excuse for Orwell to expound on Newspeak, which he didn't get into that much depth in the actual book other than the digression by Syme and its necessity in the scheme of never ending war and controlling human thought

I always picture the system collapsing just after Winston is shot in the back of the neck, the last major victim of Big Brother, but it could also be never ending and eventually morph into the civilization in Zamayatin's We, a mathematical society whose goal is to take over distant planets with ideology

>>8452899
What do you make of Orwell utilizing the past tense throughout the appendix though? It seems like an odd move if it was intended as a simple exposition on newspeak.

That being said, I think you could be right knowing how interested Orwell was in linguistics and the notion of basic English. He also references it in a footnote, which makes me think it may simply be Orwell expounding on Newspeak: it is only a supplementary addendum by the author of the novel itself.

>>8452911
The book is in the past tense, too. I think that might be a valid reading, but I personally think of the appendix as separate and not so much as an artifact from that world (like The Book) but as an essay of itself

>>8452883
>expecting /lit/ to read something that isnt canonized
I saw it at my favorite bookstore yesterday. Should I pick it up?

>>8452935
You definitely should. It was a change of pace for me, being a novel about a married couple's lives, but I couldn't put it down.

Obama also loved it. His favorite book of last year!

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>>8452880
bumping because of interest

>>8452880
I'd start with Howard Blooms big American 4:

DeLillo, best writer of all time.
Pynchon, great
McCarthy, great
Roth, beyond awful, but a certain kind of egomaniac will dig his work

>>8452972

im a bit of an egomaniac. What's there to like about Roth?

who

>>8452833
Alan Moore, arguably the greatest comic book writer of all time?

>>8452835
nigga this aint jeopardy get that question mark out of here

>>8452824
I prefer the Ivan/Devil chapter later on

>>8452824
Dunno, haven't read Karamazov yet, but reading that part for uni class later this semester. Should be good.

>>8452831
why did it feel necessary for you to post in this thread?

>>8452764
alternatively, pale fire

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Mishima's Sea of Fertility.

When I finished the Decay of the Angel, I seriously wanted to kill myself. I genuinely regard it as one of the century's crowning achievements in literature.

>>8452795
Is pic related the best English translation?

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>muh DiMaggio

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>muh life

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>muh death

ow the edge

>>8452709
how old are you? 14?
stop playing video-games and go do something productive, boy

>>8452718
I'm 21

>>8452683
Based Khomeini giving no fucks at all

Plato should be read with the help of a knowledgeable teacher and many supplemental books.

>>8452706

The Ayatollah had teachers and supplements, dude.

Don't even try to play that whole allegorical reading on me. The Republic is both allegorical and literal. The life of the individual is analogous to the life of the state. The body natural and the body politic, and all that.

Obligatory "snow was general over Ireland" passage

Also, many bits of Finnegans Wake
>In the name of Annah the Allmaziful, the Everliving, the Bringer of Plurabilities, haloed be her eve, her singtime sung, her rill be run, unhemmed as it is uneven!

From Portrait:

>“His heart danced upon her movements like a cork upon a tide. He heard what her eyes said to him from beneath their cowl and knew that in some dim past, whether in life or in revery, he had heard their tale before. He saw her urge her vanities, her fine dress and sash and long black stockings, and knew that he had yielded to them a thousand times. Yet a voice within him spoke above the noise of his dancing heart, asking him would he take her gift to which he had only to stretch out his hand."

sam's a gay cunt

Those are they
That most are willing. If any such be here--as it were sin to doubt--that love this painting
Wherein you see me smear'd; if any fear
Lesser his person than an ill report;
If any think brave death outweighs bad life
And that his country's dearer than himself;
Let him alone, or so many so minded,
Wave thus, to express his disposition,
And follow Marcius.

O, me alone? Make you a sword of me!

BASED

Fascists are not very good at critical thought or introspection. Give them a parade, a nice uniform, a pretty flag, tell them they're part of a master race, and before you know it they'll throwing their lives away.

Marcius was a patriot, and a bit reactionary, like you mentioned.

The tribunes were the fascists imo.

Competing tribes wiped them out.

>>8452569
What motivated anyone in Glanton's gang?

Men are born for games and war is the ultimate game

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Weren't the eastern coastal tribes generally under pressure from the inland tribes? Ships, iron and steel play well with Stone Age crowds. The Hawaiians essentially made the same use of the first Westerners they met: Kamehameha used captured ships and cannon to subdue his native rivals on the other islands of the chain.

The guys at the top (or vying for it) of any group hold less empathy with their fellows than we might think. Perhaps it's part of the personality that tends to seek that privilege.

But high-brow culture totally accepts it, so fission mailed? Pynchon sucks? It's a meme? Banana?

>>8452521
>le 'college sophomore first 'serious' read' meme book

> so the standard feeling of high culture's superiority is therefore debased.
Yeah, because it's shit.

>muh pop cultural references

wew, so deep

>>8452532
No it doesn't. For instance, it didn't make The Modern Library's 100 greatest novels of the 20th century (which included many dubious choices...)

>>8452535
You're not interesting.

The flies were not part of his estate

The Magnificent Third Rail: A Retrospective