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Was the siege of baghdad really that bad?
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...It was... Catastrophic... think about that folks...
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Yes.
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Are there any good sieges?

Why did the german general staff decide to attack france before russia? Why not fortify alsace-lorraine and hold off a french attack over a much more narrow area, while attacking the less prepared russian army?
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>>947089

Because they hugely underestimated the strength of France, having kicked the crap out of them in the last war, and hugely overestimated the strength of Russia, who was big, scary, and building railroads like nobody's business.

France, seeming the weaker opponent, was the one that they thought would crumple if they hit first and hard enough, which would then let them turn their full attention on Russia.
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>>947105
I don't understand why that is the case. Successfully executing their plan would require a meticulous understanding of the French operations, and given how close they were to paris at the battle of the marne, they almost achieved their goals. I'm not really confused by the minutiae of the operation, I just don't see the strategic reasoning behind it.

Germany didn't have a contiguous border with russia at the time, so it would be more difficult to hold them off with a limited force and would leave them overly reliant on austria. A strong anti-russian offensive would have given france and britain a way to avoid the war if they wanted to and strengthened their austrian ally.
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>>947089
I think fighting defensively on the western front would have been a better idea. Defensive tactics would have suited the static warfare which defined the western front, while avoiding drawing in the UK and Belgium into the war. Looking at their record on the eastern front, they could have concentrated their efforts on defeating Russia before taking care of France.

The Schlieffen plan was Germany's fatal error to begin with (even if they did get close to Paris)

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The concept of "freedom", as it currently exists, is too vague for anyone trying to present clear ideas to ever use.

The word has been abused to the extent that it is only a tool for propaganda or public control. It has been used in such a huge range of contexts from "privacy", "property", "economic options", "democracy", "development", "equality", or at times just "being ruled by us and not by those guys over there", and all of these have been used professionally in recent times.

The word should either be discarded, ignored, or re-purposed, because its current use is dangerous. Do you agree?
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>>947026

The concept of "freedom", as it currently exists, is a spook.
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>>947026

Freedom is just a code word for comfort. In the US at least.
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>>947026
>The concept of "freedom"
>as it currently exists
freedom is now and forever has been a lie

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The Discourses by Epictetus

Book One, Chapter 18

That we ought not to he angry with the errors of others

If what philosophers say is true, that all men have one principle,
as in the case of assent the persuasion that a thing is so, and in the
case of dissent the persuasion that a thing is not so, and in the case
of a suspense of judgment the persuasion that a thing is uncertain, so
also in the case of a movement toward anything the persuasion that a
thing is for a man's advantage, and it is impossible to think that one
thing is advantageous and to desire another, and to judge one thing to
be proper and to move toward another, why then are we angry with the
many? "They are thieves and robbers," you may say. What do you mean by
thieves and robbers? "They are mistaken about good and evil." Ought we
then to be angry with them, or to pity them? But show them their
error, and you will see how they desist from their errors. If they
do not see their errors, they have nothing superior to their present
opinion.

"Ought not then this robber and this adulterer to be destroyed?"
By no means say so, but speak rather in this way: "This man who has
been mistaken and deceived about the most important things, and
blinded, not in the faculty of vision which distinguishes white and
black, but in the faculty which distinguishes good and bad, should
we not destroy him?" If you speak thus, you will see how inhuman
this is which you say, and that it is just as if you would say, "Ought
we not to destroy this blind and deaf man?" But if the greatest harm
is the privation of the greatest things, and the greatest thing in
every man is the will or choice such as it ought to be, and a man is
deprived of this will, why are you also angry with him? Man, you ought
not to be affected contrary to nature by the bad things of another.
Pity him rather: drop this readiness to be offended and to hate,


When I read this it was an eye opener for me.
Post your favorite quotes regarding ethics.
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Wow. Quotes like this show how little people have changed. We think ourselves so much more enlightened but this just shows how stupid that idea really is.
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
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>>946994

I think it's sad that we are not teaching ethics in schools. How are we to know what a good person is then? How can we be good people if we do not hold a clear definition of what a good person who distinguishes between good and bad moral action is.

Even is prisons do they make an effort to give the offenders an education in ethics and morals of the society in which they live in, no. They leave prison as ignorant on that matter as when they entered still lacking in the faculty to distinguish good from bad action, still blind.
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>2016
>Not being an Ethical Egoist

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What is the earliest point in time that the camera could have been invented?

Did it come as early as it possibly could given the technology required, or could it have potentially been discovered decades, or even centuries earlier?

I have always wondered how differently we would view history and historical figures if cameras were around during medieval or even classical times onward. It would be so different to have actual photographs of Roman legions, or the Mongol Horde, or Constantinople under siege, or even something as slightly early as the Battle of Waterloo.
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Camera? You mean, like, a phone?
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>>946897
I suppose the Medieval era if the Arabs or Latins writing their books on optics figured out a way to imprint images onto some material by getting lucky with some chemical reaction that didn't have to involve much understanding of electrical currents. It'd be accidental though.
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>>946897
The concept of the camera obscura is very ancient. Dating back to the end of the first millennium. It has become relatively popular from the eighteenth century.

However, the chemistry involved is much more recent. Several trials and errors were necessary, and even accidental discoveries, to be able to record images on flat surfaces by exposure to light.

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>Democratic People's Republic of Korea

>is not a democracy
>is neither of, by, nor for the people
>is not a republic
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It's all three actually. Read Leddihn :^)
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>United Soviet Socialist "Republic"
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>>946647
DPRK is a republic by the virtue of it lacking a monarchy. Yeah it's kind of a hereditary oligarchy but as long as the Kims don't literally crown themselves, call themselves kings and declare divine right, it's a republic

Is it fair to say that Egypt was the true heir to Alexander out of the successor kingdoms, and a true Hellenic nation?
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>>946563
I think using the term "egypt" is a broad term.

Ptolemaic Kingdom within Egypt adapted it's native customs and it's Hellenic culture for 300 years.
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Fuck off normie Egypt is NOT HELLENIC.
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>>946563
No, it was obviously Macedonia.

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who's your favorite assassin, /his/?
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>>946368

Me.
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>>946402
This guy
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>>946402

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Dutch history thread. How did such a small country create such an impressive trading empire? Could they have ever been a legitimate competitor to Britain's empire building? Could the Netherlands become a European hegemon in the future? Any and all Dutch related history welcome.
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tulips
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Flemish brain drain
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>>946325
Capitalism, free trade, de facto freedom of speech and religion, high literacy rates, high labor productivity, high human capital, insane preindustrial urbanization rates, female work force, high age of marriage, innovative shipbuilding, a bunch of great leaders and traders.

I'd say the above mentioned are both symptoms and effects of a good economy and once the ball got rolling it kept going until Napoleon and the industrial revolution.

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>The concept of a white, blond-haired, blue-eyed master Nordic race didn't originate with Hitler. The idea was created in the United States, and cultivated in California, decades before Hitler came to power. California eugenicists played an important, although little known, role in the American eugenics movement's campaign for ethnic cleansing.
http://historynewsnetwork.org/article/1796

>What Sherman called the “final solution of the Indian problem” involved “killing hostile Indians and segregating their pauperized survivors in remote places.” “These men,” writes Fellman, “applied their shared ruthlessness, born of their Civil War experiences, against a people all three [men] despised. . . . Sherman’s overall policy was never accommodation and compromise, but vigorous war against the Indians,” whom he regarded as “a less-than-human and savage race”

http://www.houseofpaine.org/sherman.html
(Cited in Michael Fellman, Citizen Sherman, p. 260) Sherman's memoirs


>German geographer Friedrich Ratzel visited North America beginning in 1873 and saw the effects of American manifest destiny. Ratzel sympathized with the results of "manifest destiny", but he never used the term. Instead he relied on the Frontier Thesis of Frederick Jackson Turner. Ratzel promoted overseas colonies for Germany in Asia and Africa, but not an expansion into Slavic lands. Later German publicists misinterpreted Ratzel to argue for the right of the German race to expand within Europe; that notion was later incorporated into Nazi ideology, as Lebensraum. Harriet Wanklyn (1961) argues that Ratzel's theory was designed to advance science, and that politicians distorted it for political goals

https://historyasiseeit.wordpress.com/2014/01/06/the-americans-manifest-destiny-and-hitlers-lebensraum-similar/
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Here's a tip.

If you're debating whether to attack white people or brown people, attack the brown people.

For the purposes of this discussion, Native Americans should be considered brown.

Also, don't be late to the party and expect anything good to be left.
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>>946238
We didn't. We learned about this all the time.
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>>946238
Because America had the continent effectively to itself; who was going to offer meaningful resistance to its?

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Are there any /his/-approved board games? Please do tell.
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>>946231

Europa Universalis 4, Age of Chivalry the mod of HL2, Mount and Blade Warband, Pirates Knights and Vikings 2, Darkest Hour: Europe '44 - '45, Darkest Hour: Mare Nostrum, JFK Reloaded, Verdun, Knights of Honor, Victoria 2.

Try not to get yourself consumed with this like I do. I feel very weak and my mind feels like a slave to these games.

Also if you want to add me on Steam here's my address: http://steamcommunity.com/id/
PullTheTriggerKillTheNigger/
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>>946259
None of those are board games you cuck.
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>>946260

Oh, board games. I'd do Risk, but that's really the only boardgame I know about.

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are good and evil human constructs?
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Good isn't, evil is.
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>>946150
Perhaps.
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We can't really ask animals, can we?

Not exactly sure this question belongs here but due to the philosophical nature of it I'll post it here regardless.

Does anybody here really believe that our behaviour is fully(or mostly) predetermined by our genetics? I mean in the sense that our personalities, how violent we are etc are shaped by genetics?

Do you also believe in the notion of free will?

Because those two beliefs seem rather antithetical to eachother in my opinion.
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>>946105
>Do you also believe in the notion of free will?
No.
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>>946109
How curious. I was looking for someone to say this actually. Care to elaborate a little? In my opinion the lack of belief in free will seems like a rather depressing outlook on life.
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>>946105
Playing devil's advocate here: you can have certain proclivities and personality flaws and still resist them for rational reasons.

As an easy example, humans are biologically predisposed to be afraid of the dark but most people have no trouble mastering this fear.

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So what's the deal with the Holy Roman Empire?

It's not Holy

It ain't Roman

And it most certainly isn't an Empire
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>>945059
THis meme stopped being funny, like, the second time it was posted.

>inb4 butthurt Kraut
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the what?
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>>945059
LOLLLLLLLLL

http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/vikings-newfoundland-1.3515747
April 1, 2016
CBC News

Potential Viking site found in Newfoundland
Satellites help locate potential Norse site in island's southwest corner

Researchers in Newfoundland and Labrador are finding evidence that may give more answers to a millennium-old mystery — just how far the Vikings reached into North America.

A second, moresouthernViking site may have just been found in Newfoundland, according to research from aninternational team of archeologists working in the province.

ResearcherSarah Parcak told CBC News that her team has found evidence of a Norse-like hearth and eight kilograms of early bog ironin an areanear the southwestern-mostcoast of Newfoundland.

Parcak, a professor of anthropology at the University of Alabama in Birmingham, saidthe findings at Point Roseeon the island are highly suggestive of a Norse presence in the area.

"We did not find one single shred of any [contradictory]evidence, so that leaves two options," she said. "It's either a new culture that looks and presents exactly like Norse, or Norse."

"But obviously we have a lot of work left in front of us before we can say beyond a shadow of a doubt that it is."

cont.
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>>944933

A potentially historic find

If the results are born out through further research, Point Roseewould become just the second verified Viking site in North America.

The first site is at L'Anse Aux Meadows, near the northern-most tip of Newfoundland, about 600 kilometres away.

Evidence of that thousand-year-oldsettlement was discovered in the 1960sand took years to verify.

Archeologists maintainthat Vikings may have usedtheirL'Anseaux Meadows settlement as a "base camp for expeditions further south."

It's not known how long thatcamp— now apopular tourist attraction that Parks Canada operates as a National Historic Site —was used before it was abandoned about a thousand years ago.

At the very least, the researchers in Point Roseehave found evidence of another early iron-working site in the province.

The Norse were the only ones extracting iron from bogs 1,000 years ago.

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>>944935

Satellite innovations

As part of their early research, Parcak said, the team used Google Maps satellite imagery to look for potential hot spots along the Atlantic Ocean.

Furtherhigh-resolution scans led them to send a team to Point Roseeand start to survey for artifacts.

Parcak won the 2016 TED Prize for her work using satellite imagery in archeology, a field the organization said she largely engineered.

"When we started the project, my hypothesis wasn't that we would find anything Norse, my hypothesis was that we would not," she said.

Instead, after a survey in 2015,her team found signs of iron-working and evidence of a turf wall, like the ones the Norse are known to have used.

Newfoundland and Labrador government officials who worked alongside the searcherssay more evidence, and more artifacts, are needed to be sure of aViking presence on the island`s western coast.

"There's just not enough evidence to date to go either way on it," said Martha Drake, an archeologist with the provincial offices.

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>>944938

Birgitta Wallace, considered the foremost authority on the Viking settlement at L'Anse aux Meadows, was equally unconvinced that the find was an authentic Norse site.

"The roasting of the ore could be accidental. All it would take is a camp fire on the ground where the soil is full of bog ore. Such areas are common in Newfoundland," she wrote in an email.

Wallace was part of the excavation team at L'Anse aux Meadows.

She's not sure the supposed turf walls are an exact match, either.

"The results could be exciting, but until then I consider the case unsettled."

Parcaksaidshe's looking for more evidence. She'd like to see more carbon-dating that coincides with the Viking era, further evidence of metal-working and maybe a Norse-specificobject to put them over the top.

"I hate, as an archeologist … to say it's definitely Norse," she said. "We absolutely cannot say that right now."
"A lot of people in the press are calling this a Norse settlement. We absolutely cannot call it a settlement."
"If it is Norse, the most we can say right now is that it's a small farm or perhaps a temporary winter camp."

cont.

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