I always hated poetry, but i want to get into it now, anywhere i should start?
Also would be glad if you guys could post the best work of poetry, the classics etc..
Thanks !
Ah Sun-flower! weary of time,
Who countest the steps of the Sun:
Seeking after that sweet golden clime
Where the travellers journey is done.
Where the Youth pined away with desire,
And the pale Virgin shrouded in snow:
Arise from their graves and aspire,
Where my Sun-flower wishes to go.
>>9598445
Who wrote that?
I'm sorry only poem i know is by pushkine :
Я вac любил: любoвь eщe, быть мoжeт
B дyшe мoeй yгacлa нe coвceм;
Ho пycть oнa вac бoльшe нe тpeвoжит;
Я нe хoчy пeчaлить вac ничeм.
Я вac любил бeзмoлвнo, бeзнaдeжнo,
To poбocтью, тo peвнocтью тoмим;
Я вac любил тaк иcкpeннo, тaк нeжнo,
Кaк дaй вaм бoг любимoй быть дpyгим.
I loved you once: perhaps that love has yet
To die down thoroughly within my soul;
But let it not dismay you any longer;
I have no wish to cause you any sorrow.
I loved you wordlessly, without a hope,
By shyness tortured, or by jealousy.
I loved you with such tenderness and candor
And pray God grants you to be loved that way again.
And it's because my mom is Russian and just loves his poetry.
>>9598422
Entry level but this is the first poem that I actually liked https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/poems/detail/44212 I'm not into the old fashioned "Ah! Beautiful youth" kinda poetry and am more into modernist and confessional stuff so this is what I gravitate towards.
This is also pretty good https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems-and-poets/poems/detail/49013 Background is that the narrator is in the hospital after a suicide attempt
I don't know how you feel about listening to poems but I feel like it's help you appreciate them more because of the rhythm and so on https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LioRmN7u2iU
>"Uh oh, looks like *somebody* accidentally printed off a few pages of their """novel"""!"
>"Gosh, I wonder who may have written this emotional garbage. He sure does seem like he wants to be taken seriously, doesn't he! We have a real """"deep thinker""" on our hands!"
>"Oh look, maybe Anon knows. Any ideas?"
>implying the tragic story of my waifu's struggle with the human condition isn't nobel prize worthy
>Implying my epic poem about someone taking the redpill and killing cucks isn't nobel prize worthy
>implying my wife's son's diary isn't nobel prize worthy
I'm working full-time, living alone, making a decently successful effort not to be a NEET after graduating high school a year ago and looking at going to college in a few years.
What variables would you say are under or over-rated in choosing from the thousands of options? I'm not naturally good at math, so not looking at engineering anything. I probably want to study in my native U.S. Looking at geographical areas, I think NYC is an exciting place to eventually study/live/work, if an expensive one. I haven't decided on degree yet, but I know I'd hate being a doctor (aside maybe from psychologist) or lawyer, and am probably looking for a major to either give me a relatively stable career to fall back on and support trying to live a /lit/ life, or something to give me a shot at being an academic. I don't want to go to a non-secular or for profit school unless there's some really compelling reason to.
Is narrowing it down as arbitrary as it seem be? Does it even matter where I get my "you did undergrad, yay u" paper?
>>9598384
I studie Geography and economics with the goal to be working in the field of City planing. The average wage is about 80.000€ a year here in europe.
Idk about the US but studying is worth it
I literally can't express how much better my life has been since I attended Oxford. I went to a state school and gradually became the stereotypical moody, withdrawn sensitive type who both despises the quality of his immediate culture and feels a weird pride for having been raised in a sort of anti-intellectual and brutal environment. I was all set to take my Russell Group humanities BA and spend my life working as an anonymous, insecure wageslave forever thankful of being offered a job and forever too insecure to pursue my creative ambitions. The chip on my shoulder had become something of a wedge, and I felt too out of place regardless of my environment, too resentful and bitter to even attempt to make it in the artistic world. Then I finally applied for Oxford and got in to study an English MA, with reassurance that should I work hard enough a career in academia or within one of Oxford's affiliated companies would be almost guaranteed. I turned up as apprehensive as usual, and the first few days were spent regretting my decision and desperately feigning a cultured personality. But then I realized that the people there were just interesting and that the snobbery and exclusivity I had anticipated was just a myth borne out of my working class upbringing. I've since graduated, having spend the year dining in grand halls with groups of interesting people, dating several girls (one of whom, a petite Russian whose family traces back to the aristocracy, is now my fiancee). I work four days a week at a publishing company and earn £38k a year. I regularly meet up with friends from my college and visit Oxford for nights out and for meetings with my professors. The Martin Eden-esque novel I have been writing for two years has been selected for publication at a major British publishing house and, honestly, I could not have imagined a few years ago how great life could be. I come on /lit/ and see how pathetic you all are and just shake my head and chuckle. If I saw you guys on the street I would of course throw you a penny or discuss Bukowski or whatever "realist" writers you enjoy, but ultimately I would be able to tell within ten seconds if you're an Oxbridge grad and would dismiss you as a potential source of good company if you are not. I never thought I'd know what it was like to be objectively better than somebody else, for the value of my existence to be superior to the value of a stranger's, but now I do and I've never been happier. People are awed by power and prestige. All I need to do is mention the university I attended (if only for a year) and they immediately begin to hunch and look at their feet because they know they are in the presence of greatness.
>>9598411
this
Let's tell each other the smartest jokes we know, jokes that 95% even here wont get. I'll start
Empedocles, Plato and Thales of Miletus go into a bar. The bartender asks what they want and Empedocles says
"I'd like a beer, but it MUST be really cold."
He gets a really cold beer. Plato is next.
"I'd like a beer, but WITHOUT any foam."
The bartender struggles a little but in the end Plato gets a beer without any foam. The bartender loos at Thales and asks him: "What about you?" And Thales goes
"...I think I already got what I wanted."
Wittgenstein am Imbiss:
"Was darf es sein?"
"Die Frage ist sinnlos."
>>9598378
Vasteh ich nich
>>9598357
The analytical philosopher will accuse the continental philosopher of being insufficiently clear, the continental will accuse the analytical of being insufficiently.
Has anybody else here read this book? The author died today so I thought I'd shill him here since it's a fantastic book but on an indie Portland University release (sent it by a penpal, Britfag here)
>short stories set around a small town
>Twin Peaks-esque
>stylized and idiosyncratic writing style compared to Faulkner
>post-modern but not in an overbearing way
>comfy AF natural exposition
>muh Salmonberries
Great, great book and it's a shame University Press is so limited. Hope someone pics it up.
>white CIS male
We're not interested dude. It's 2017. Don't you get it?
The age of white men is over. The age of the Orc has arrived.
>>9598616
Lel
OP you obviously wanted a sincere conversation here so I'll bite. I just bought this book on kindle and I've read about ten pages. It's okay. You can tell it's a children's author, but it isn't all bad. Sort of like a small-time George Saunders with the excitability of John Green. A nu-male Sherwood Anderson.
>tfw woke up this morning dreading a long day of wage drudgery
>remember I'm NEET
>take a bath instead and read for an hour
>mommy shouts upstairs asking I want breakfast
>scream that I want egg & soldiers
>tfw she just left them outside the bathroom door for me
>now back in the bath eating egg & soldiers and reading Richard Brautigan
Who /goodboy/ here?
Is being a good boy necessary to become a great reader / writer?
where do you guys find mommies like this? I'm thinking about trading mine out for a better one. the old hag would never make me breakfast in bath. nevermind how she lets me grope her when I sleep between her and daddy.
>>9598199
>mommy shouts upstairs asking I want breakfast
Stopped reading. I'd rather live in the South Side of Chicago and work a shitty minimum wage job than live with the wretched cunt that is my dear mother.
>>9598199
What's eggs and soldiers?
Carl Schmitt
Just read his Concept of the Political and some of his letters with Kojeve.
Absolutely breathtaking insights.
In terms of writing, de Maistre is as an equal. But Schmitt's mastery of breaking down subjects to their absolute essential elements is without comparison.
Is there any greater conservative intellectual than Carl Schmitt?
>Nazi
>Conservative
Choose one.
Schmitt was also, by the way, an opponent of the Nazis until they won power, then he joined them. Maybe he thought he could bring them down from the inside?He's a good writer, and I'm usually pretty excited by his work while I'm reading it, but I find that his insights are more suggestive then substantive and I end up not retaining that much when I'm down. I do love the idea from The Crisis of Parliamentary Democracy that fascism is more democratic than liberal democracy and use it to annoy my lefty friends all the fucking time.
>>9598173
Johann was a better Schmitt philosophy wise senpai
itt: GR vs infintite jest
and why
I'm going into my junior year. Is it too late to minor in math? I would have to start with Calc I
Economics is that high? I mean, my IQ is that high, but I never knew that was the average IQ for econ majors. Nearly all of my peers were total dumbasses.
Just ordered this.
What am I in for?
Free Books for life my dude.
>>9598075
Disappointment when you realize you should have bought an Oasis. However, you're still better off than you were without one. You'll probably read more than you used to as well.
>>9598075
an instant dictionary for words you dont know. normally id figure out the general idea from the context, but its great to be able to check it straight away
I'm looking for books that look at the Bible from a literary perspective instead of a theological perspective.
Where do I start?
>>9598001
Spinoza was the first to examine the Bible in a non theological manner; start there.
The Art of the Biblical Narrative by Robert Alter
The David Story by Robert Alter
How to Read the Bible by Brettler
Bloom did exactly that in 'The Shadow of a Great Rock'.
Has anyone genuinely made any small passive income from writing smut/clickbait eBooks online?
is it viable as a pisspoor student?
>>9597957
bump
>>9597969
Here, have *two* bumps
>>9597957
You gotta be a good public speaker as well, and have a good instagram, or otherwise you won't be invited to talk on Dr Oz.
Granted, anons on here have made money off porn novels when that shit is free everywhere, so I don't know why selling 400 of pic related won't make you some cash.
What has the Hegelian line of thought given to this world that didn't end in disaster or that hasn't slipped into obscurity?
>>9597683
philosophy doesn't owe the world shit
does this count
The irony is that if you'd read Hegel, you'd understand the senselessness of trying to decry the notion of a line of thought somehow "falling into disaster."
Is it worth it to learn Latin to access the epic poets?
>>9597578
I started learning Latin recently because I wanted some grounding in the classical tradition. Since I just started learning, I don't know much but I'm already starting to have second thoughts about it. I haven't read any Latin literature, but it seems to me that Latin is more of a political language than an artistic one, which is why Latin literature doesn't seem to be very highly acclaimed, at least not compared to Greek literature. You may end up spending years just to learn a language that no one other than a few geeks speaks anymore, and whose literature isn't particularly famous.
>>9597608
Virgil, Horace, Ovid, and Catullus are considered some of the best poets in the canon. Start with Horace's Odes. You'll see their influence in everything: Milton, Dryden, Johnson, Marvell, Tennyson, Keats, Pound, Housman, Auden, and Frost.
>he reads books
>he reads philosophy
>he is not making money
>he listens to Beethoven 9th symphony instead of pigs growling
>he replaces one illusion with another
>he is still barking
Why haven't you taken the ug krishnamurti pill?
>he is not getting bitches
>>9597490
Ug couldn't take care of himself after the calamity. Instead he had bitches take care of him. Hate the game not the playa
What is this even about??
Alienation
rape
>>9597442
Incestuous molestation
He rapes his sister