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but reading is fun, tho

>tfw would previously not read because "i'm too tired to read"
>tfw now find reading to be invigorating, so that "i'm bored/tired" leads to "i should read a book; that'll perk me up"

Clearly, you *should* start small. But once you're a regular reader, it's honestly fun and engaging.

>>9824151
ok real talk: I hate reading.

Let me explain: The stories and information I gain are a huge source of pleasure, and reading as an exercise helps me in other aspects of life, from communicating with other people to understanding abstract or complex ideas. I like what books *contain*, I like what they *leave* in me.

But the act of staring at a piece of paper and having to decode and recode a bunch of glyphs is fucking exhausting. It's EXACTLY like exercise: I don't really enjoy it while I'm doing it, it's straining and I sweat and am tired and sometimes it hurts (yes, even when done correctly). But I like what it does to me, and I enjoy the feeling of a session well done.

I surely can't be the only one who loves books but hates the actual, physical act of reading?

>>9824151
If you read one single page a day, you could read every single thing ever written in two days.

If every single thing written were written in two colossal pages.

pic of dorian g

>>9824137

Faust isn't bad.
The worst thing he does is get Gretchen executed through sheer horniness but who hasn't been there

>>9824137
actually its other way around in case of faust
>>9824225

>>9824082
literally the order they're stacked in from top to bottom

>>9824102
This

>>9824082
>Which one should I start with?

a cantimeme for memeowitz

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Tom, obviously

Wilson:
>Was cucked by a man richer than he was thousands of times over
>His wife was a materialistic whore who easily fell prey to Tom
>Wilson was too dense to even realize that his wife was cheating until the end of the book, and as soon as he found out, he did something about it by forcing her to move out west
>Thinking that Gatsby was the man who cucked him, he immediately responds by going to Gatsby's house and killing him
>His only flaws overall were being dumb and poor, and killing himself

Tom:
>Cucked by a deceitful fancypants dandy who was so much of a pussy himself that he moved to New York and fabricated a lavish persona to get senpai to notice him, but still wouldn't fucking talk to her until Nick came along and set the meeting up for him
>Has a passive agressive catfight with his cuckould in a hotel room and only confronts him straight up when he's pushed to the absolute edge
>His own mistress is run over by his wife and her boyfriend
>The closest thing to decisive action he does is to trick Wilson into killing Gatsby
>In the end wife comes back to him as if nothing ever happens; just takes it on the chin and doesn't kick Daisy out

>>9824152
someone should reply to me because I'm very right about this

>>9824152
Everything about Tom is frustrating to someone who has a sense of justice and decency.

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>tfw you try to hold on and not be blown away into outer space by OP's opinion but it's so completely unprecedented and ground-breaking that it's overwhelming even your primal animal will to resist the sheer originality of his world-changing intellect

>>9823934
Kek

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>>9823921

what do you mean by "effective"

>>9823867

I thought Rogan and Dilbert guys mini-debate about this was pretty interesting.

Rogan opened with saying that Trump was a shitty public speaker and that he often fucks up his own lines with shit delivery. Rogan was speaking from a comedian's perspective where the process of finely crafting a line is of the highest importance. Rogan, seeing Trump's speaking from the perspective of craft, rightly noticed how Trump will often land a killer line and then IMMEDIATELY deflate it, almost as though he has no sense of when he hits a nice chord. He doesn't know when to just let it ring.

Then Dilbert guy comes back with like this de facto argument that Trump is 90th percentile public speaker because he creates an emotional experience REGARDLESS of craft that people want. He fills stadiums and it's not just a speech it's an experience which is clearly much more difficult to create than some autistic one-liner.

Rogan thought it was interesting and dropped it.
But then on second thought you can ask, are they really responding to Trump or just enthralled with him as a symbol? They come out to see the stump speech because it's a big fuck you to their political enemies. Doesn't that kind of make him not a rhetorician? more like a tool of the crowd?

it's the same thing with Obama. In hindsight all of his speeches sound stilted and dull. Yet at the time it was a widespread opinion that he was one of the greatest public speakers ON RECORD. CRAZY.
How can there be such a big change?
It's because he just stood for ideology and so people got a big dopamine hit from his speeches because he's a symbol of their triumphant ideology?

So under these circumstances can rhetoric be crafted at all? Or do you just need to be the right tool at the right time for the whims of the crowd?

Hand holding and true love involved.

Pedophilia.

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>>9823814
i bet that stupid whore dint even understand a word out of it lololololololololol

and his heart was going like mad and yes I said yes I will Yes.

>>9823814
Are any movies from 1920 worth watching? No. Do people still watch them anyway for a sense of superiority? Yes. The choice is yours, but the only thing you're going to get out of it is the ability to say "I read Ulysses," and try to impress people who will ultimately not care.

>>9823810
Short answer: Slave morality

Western civ was utterly cucked by the social revolt of early Christian women and slaves. The Greco-Roman mystery religions had long since lost the thread inherited from Egypt, becoming political tools or branching off into fruitless (in terms of spiritual wisdom) pursuits of rationality and empiricism. There was no defense against the Abrahamic poison in large part because there was little organization and the threat was underestimated until it was far too late to root out. Resentment is a powerful strategy to undermine a culture. Just look at the furious uproar that Trump, who only criticizes some of slave morality's symptoms--never the causes, creates.

>>9823810
Because there is more to Christianity than the Bible. This meme is in no small due to Protenstatism, a movement which insisted on people reading the Bible on their own and make their own interpretation. Philosophical traditions are manifold and complex and require long and serious study to comprehend on their own terms.

The problem is that the East/West dichotomy came about with colonialism; to put it in very soft terms, the West was considered rational, scientifically rigorious and well ordered while the East was considered strange, mystical and exotic.

This is classical Enlightenment polemics. With the Scientific Revolution, the West had memed itself to forget it's mystical traditions, seeking it somewhere else, in a place more "barbaric". The New Age movement, with it's gullible audience feasting upon shitty scholarship - more a crude caricature than anything else - reveling in a twisted understanding of made up notions that has no basis in tradition, all the while calling it "spirituality", is all too evident of this.

I do not decry the value of Eastern philosophy, I just lament the fact that people all too quickly dismiss something they barely understand, happily approaching something new and exciting with a retarded naivety and clumsy methodolgy.

>>9823810
It was just fashionable German contrarianism.

I heard a story about how a German society of Hinduphiles had a bunch of statues shipped in from India and when they were unveiled not as the work of sophisticated Aryan race but retarded street shitting pajeets with dumb expressions and multiple mutant arms they straight up realized how dumb they were to project this mystique onto India and straight up unironically quit the hobby altogether. It was astoundingly stupid and goes to show the limits and downfall of German autism.

Leave it to NEETche to take part in the exact same Weeabu tier pathetic idoltry

>>9823796
Napoleon Bonaparte once pronounced that novels were 'for ladies' and told his librarian to give his soldiers history books.
"Men should read nothing else."

>>9823796
>read to enjoy
and this is whats wrong with post modernism

A healthy mix of both
I really like reading history, however reading nothing but history would make me want to an hero

>>9823795
no. just as nobody can adequately describe the thoughts and actions of a superintelligent AI or advanced alien being. smart people can pretend to be dumb, but dumb people can't pretend to be smart.

>>9823795
Breaking the "laws" of physics.

>>9824413
that just highlights how little we know about physics. "back then they imagined electrons to be some kind of tiny billiard ball." <hysterical laughter>

It's a fine book, but overtly dramatic and I'm not buying Aeneas' godly piety and divine purpose.

Also Dido deserved a bigger role, instead of being delegated to "bitch who kills herself in hysterics because she cant get the D".

Honestly I only read it because it provided a closure of sorts to the Illiad (even though it's a rather illegitimare closure), but then I read the posthomerics, so...

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>>9823777

If I'd at least, before you ran off, conceived from your closeness...

Aeneas was pretty much a Mary Sue

Also copying the Illad and Odyssey this much should be a crime

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>>9823775
Mandelbaum.

>My Soul would sing of Metamorphoses.
>But since, o gods, you were the source of these
>bodies becoming other bodies, breathe
>your breath into my book of changes: may
>the song I sing be seamless as its way
>weaves from the world's beginning to our day.

>>9823848
Seconding Mandelbaum

Mandelbaum ist beste Baum.

>>9823699
Maybe Down and out in Paris and london? it's not like your situation, but I found a lot of solace in its English humor, tales of true kindness, suffering, etc. And it's all true so far as we know.

>>9823712
Alright, I'll check it out. Thanks.

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>>9823699
you can't survive because unironically holding leftist views is pants-on-head retarded, and even inbred cousinfuckers know it

Cats > dogs

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it goes without saying that most writers are people who are fucked up in the head or are raging narcissists that can't actually accomplish anything tangible, and are thus cat owners

You don't have to walk cats.