What does this book mean to you? What did you personally gain from it?
>>9827696
The Hell description was a bit uncomfortable desu
Rest was a bit shit
>>9827704
Makes complete sense that both of those opinions would be contributed to one individual
What can /lit/ tell me about this faggot? Is he a meme or what? What are the essential Dante works?
>>9827683
If you want to be redpilled and understand white culture, you have to read Dante. In The Divine Comedy he warned us against degeneracy by giving us a view of what Hell is like.
funny u call him a faggot but know nothing about him ....go blow your father
>>9827706
I've read only Dante's Inferno, you cuck. But that was back in high school. Don't reply to my posts ever again.
Is there a word (or words) that you personally hate?
There is a word that I've seen more and more entering into common parlance, "janky" as it's known. It has a meaning something along the lines of questionable, untrustworthy, faulty, ect. I absolutely despise looking at it. I want to destroy this word.
>>9827627
Everything that women and liberals say
/thread
>>9827627
At the end of the the third book, all the hither/thither/ neo-old english by Tolkien started to get pretty annoying
authors that use "stamped" instead of "stomped" when describing someone kicking their foot to the ground
maybe it's a regional difference (I'm from new england), but i don't like the way it sounds and aside from literature I've never heard someone use stamp instead of stomp out loud.
Have you ever read a really well-written erotic novel? If so, what was it?
Pic tangentially related
>>9828673
would read
What are your experiences with copywork? Anyone copy entire books for practice?
what?
>>9827591
Practice what? Your cursive? Typing?
>>9827591
Yeah.
t. Pierre Menard
>Reading for the story
>Reading for the characters
>Reading for the prose
Wich one is more important to you? For me its:
characters > prose > story
>>9827508
Read for redpilled ideas about female and racial purity, male bonding, masculinity, white families, and religion
I dont see a distintion between, story/characters (and by extention, theme), prose is just the means by which it is conveyed.
tl;dr read for the whole and dont be a pleb.
>>9827513
unironically this
Why does nobody acknowledge that there are infinitely many possible philosophical axioms and infinitely many criteria for the judgement of these axioms?
It seems like once you realise this, all philosophical discussions become either laughable speculations about what the "true" definitions of concepts are (when these concepts are obviously arbitrarily defined) or flailing about within the infinitely large space of unfalsifiable* conjectures. And the judgement of these speculations and conjectures is pretty much based on marketing.
I have never seen a worthwhile response to this. Can someone please give me an explanation?
* I mean we can't currently, at this moment, verify these things (e.g., We go to heaven after we die", "Once computers become fast enough, they will gain a consciousness"). And I know that science is merely a subset of philosophy. And I know there isn't an agreed upon scientific method. And I know there isn't an agreed upon definition of verify.
https://warosu.org/lit/?task=search&ghost=&search_text=infinitely+axioms
Kill yourself
There's still something to be gained from the process, are you suggesting we don't even try to understand the world, should we just all spend our time posting on a Mediterranean pole vaulting forum
>>9827404
You are responding to a stale pasta
Will reading books actually make me a better person?
That's a pretty poorly formulated question.
No but it will at least destroy your notion of a better person.
>>9827113
No, specifically. Whoever who told you that was lying.
Is there any good site to download books?
Library genesis
>>9827086
Amazon.com
Not shitposting either. if it's not a super expensive textbook you're after, fucking buy it. and not only because it's fair. Most downloads are formatted like shit.
Honestly dude, you are better off just buying the damn book. Textbooks and shit specifically meant for courses are fine to download, but when it comes to shit you want to read in your leisure time, just suck it up and buy the thing. There have also been studies that show that you remember more from reading from a physical book, because it's a hand-on experience, or something along those lines.
Do you read plays or collections of plays as if it is literature?
>>9826831
what a stupid question?
>>9826831
yeah
>>9826831
How else are you supposed to read them?
I just finished reading the republic, translated in to English. I read the last 200 pages last night, when I heard people partying and enjoying their youths, and this morning. And not solely to gain the pseud cred, it was enjoyable. After some drudgerous shitfest like brothers Karamazov, some non fiction books have prose that is easy to appreciate (problems of philosophy made me first realise this). Reading Plato / Socrates condemn degeneracy did compensate for being a loser a bit, but I know ultimately it's an arbitrary opinion.
I don't have a lot to say about the book. It contained autistic daydreaming. It had really fucking half assed Sociology and political theorising ("4 Inferior Forms of Government- Number 3 Will SHOCK You!"), compared to long books today. The numerology was laughable. I lolled at how the translator and person who wrote the introduction, some Oxbridge public schooler, didn't write a lot of commentary about some of the numerology or 100 % bullshitty parts. Even he can't take it seriously.
I lolled at Plato's curriculum. 18-20: Military service (and physical activity all through life). 20-30: Mathematics (I assume he would approve of physics these days as well). Only at 30+ do you become a humanitiesfag. He would have zero respect for humanitiesfags today and "literary intellectuals". He agrees with me that art is for aesthetic value only, NOT for philosophising. He is basically me. Although not quite, he does deride young people who learn some philosophy and argue with everything. I think he means people like me who see that even Plato has no foundation.
I can't take any of this seriously intellectually though. My no BS view is that trying to answer questions of this type a priori (and even if you had a world simulator) is a fruitlessess endeavour.
Also my memory is awful but he concludes that acting in accordance with justice makes you mentally healthy. Even granting him all have a dumb assumptions, if it's just a question of healtj
Forms are just arbitrary definitions. This was a precursor to "objective morality". Academic philosophy selects for unfalsifiable ideas because they facilitate the citation circlejerk and book deals.
I think the two main responses will be abuse for pointing out that forms are arbitrary definitions ("REEE They exist in the ether, let me prove it using pen and paper") and using the word unfalsifiable. I don't use unfalsifiable as a synonym for wrong. I simply point out that there are infinitely many possible unfalsifiable theories. So why do we get told to care only about famous ones? (Answer: Fashion, financial incentives, intellectual dishonesty)
The second type of non insult response I will get is "Just turn your brain off, smoke weed, and enjoy it man!" I enjoyed it and did turn my brain off but I'm not turning my brain off now.
I feel I can start reading what I like and stop reading boring novels. The republic is as canon as it gets so pseuds can't criticise me for not reading it.
Read it again in 10 years.
Hi friend!
The importance of the Greeks is mostly historical but this is not a bad thing. Most of the big question was asked by the Greeks first and are carried throw all the history of philosophy. Studying philosophy's history is mandatory because it gives you prospective . Prospective reminds you that you should only be certain about the fact that you don't really know nothing. The Plato's republic is as arbitrary and as unfalsifiable as modern political theory. But that doesn't mean we have to throw all this theories away, because the process of finding truth is asintotic and you only get closer to it by trying. Also, don't read philosophy if u don't have an honest desire for funding the truth. Reading it for feeling less a looser or to compensate something in your life will not bring you any good.
(Sorry for the English)
>>9826497
>I don't have a lot to say about the book.
As you make clear.
>half assed Sociology and political theorising
The degeneration of the best to the worst form of government is not a historical or even chronological description.
>The numerology was laughable
It's a myth.
>some Oxbridge public schooler
Too many analytic Plato scholars pay zero attention to dramatic structure or the interplay between muthos and logos. You think that if you don't understand something on a first reading (of a translation!), it's bullshit. Why? You'd learn more assuming you that you don't understand some things immediately.
>Only at 30+ do you become a humanitiesfag.
what is dialectics
>He would have zero respect for humanitiesfags today and "literary intellectuals".
REVOLUTIONARY insight. Read the Phaedrus or any Socratic (so-called 'early') dialogues.
>art is for aesthetic value only, NOT for philosophising
wrong
>He is basically me
lolled
>My no BS view is that trying to answer questions of this type a priori (and even if you had a world simulator) is a fruitlessess endeavour.
Unsure what you're even trying to say here.
>Forms are just arbitrary definitions.
Couldn't be more wrong. (see: “The Philosophical Economy of Plato’s Theory of Ideas.” )
>Academic philosophy selects for unfalsifiable ideas because they facilitate the citation circlejerk and book deals.
I bet you're a fan of Peterson.
>I feel I can start reading what I like and stop reading boring novels.
Why wouldn't you just do that anyway?
Did you only read book eight and skim some of the rest?
What do you think the main objective of the work was?
In the end I think mysticism is true to some extent(it's definitely the most satisfying explanation of God), but he misses the mark trying to tie some of the religions under the mystical band wagon like Taoism and Buddhism. I would have stuck with Hinduism / Esoteric Judaism+Christianity / Sufism.
In what way does he "misses the mark"?
at least formulate a criticism we can address
>>9826481
The absolutes of Taoism and Buddhism are accessed with an ordinary(everyday) intellect, while the mystical experiences of other religions speak to another dimension of human existence. God is unmistakably perceived in His Glory.
>>9826496
The Tao most literally means "the way" the dharma is also "the way" Jesus said I am "the way", etc
>"One of my favorite apparent discrepancies—I read John for years without realizing how strange this one is—comes in Jesus’ “Farewell Discourse,” the last address that Jesus delivers to his disciples, at his last meal with them, which takes up all of chapters 13 to 17 in the Gospel according to John. In John 13:36, Peter says to Jesus, “Lord, where are you going?” A few verses later Thomas says, “Lord, we do not know where you are going” (John 14:5). And then, a few minutes later, at the same meal, Jesus upbraids his disciples, saying, “Now I am going to the one who sent me, yet none of you asks me, ‘Where are you going?’” (John 16:5). Either Jesus had a very short attention span or there is something strange going on with the sources for these chapters, creating an odd kind of disconnect."
>>9826444
>Christcucks will defend this
>>9826449
>this is considered top american scholar
Here is the simple explanation:
>It may seem like a false charge against the apostles that they did not ask where their Master was going, for earlier they had inquired of him on this subject. In asking, they did not lift up their minds to trust as they should above all have done. And so the meaning is 'As soon as you hear of my departure, you become alarmed and do not consider whether or for what purpose I go away".
Why is amercan education so shit, why do they even specialize in subjects when they can't even think to save their lives?
>>9826644
So, Op do you have anything else to say or you will stay btfoed forever?
What do you think of Marilyn vos Savant?
>>9826430
A youthful picture, alas.
Generally she's always right.
Used to stalk her in the funny papers when i was a kid.
>>9826430
Probably a jewess. Smarter than me so I feel threatened and so I hate her. I bet I can steal her man if I transitioned.
>>9826614
Don't believe she is. Related to Ernst Mach.
How can literature compete with film? A good film adaptation of a book is superior to the book. 2001 A Space Odyssey, The Handmaiden, Woman in the Dunes, The Piano Teacher, Rashomon, Solaris, Rosemary's Baby, The Thing...properly done, with artistry and purpose, it seems like the movie version will beat the book version.
Youe main idea is sort of correct but your reasoning is retarded
What makes film superior to literature is its universality of language
Of course, that goes only for the highest echelons of cinematic art
Film is three hundred years too early to compete with literature.
The more literate your become the more you understand why literature is considered a primary artform, next to music and visual art.