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mfw the bible is the greatest work of art, both politically and commercially, that will ever and has ever been created
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The coke logo is more globally recognizable, ubiquitous, and economically relevant
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>>9349340
OP, how to interpret this? You like the bible but its sending you to hell? Maybe am wrong?
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>>9349340
well, it influenced europeans culture and value.
It's clearly on the western canon.
I would say shakespeare and the koran already enters into the same realm of influence.
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Hey /lit/ I am currently writing an essay for university on the construction of collective identities on 4Chan. Since selfdefinition/perception is the most important part of identities, I prepared a few questions and it would be nice to get some answers.
1. Do you visit /lit/ regularly (more than once a week)?
2. Why do you visit /lit/?
3. Do you prefer it over similar sites, if so, why?
4. Is there something like a board identity in your opinion?
(my understanding of identity below)
5. What does this identity consist of?
6. Would you consider yourself as a member of that identity?
7. Anything else you want to say?
Collective identity is understood as having two dimensions, content and contestation.
Main aspects of content are:
- identity defining norms and practices
- social purposes
- relationships to other identities
- shared worldviews or understandings of political/material conditions and interests
Contestation is the degree of agreement within an identity group over the content of the shared identity. It is an ongoing process that defines the content of the identity.
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Please stop writing about 4chan. It can only get misunderstood.
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>>9349206
This. I'm a grad student who studies discursive formations similar to 4chan, and I just wrote 6 paragraphs trying to explain why you're going to fuck this up like all the other people who have also tried and failed, and then I realised I can't even do it justice.
Just don't even bother. It will only be of interest to people who don't understand 4chan and can't tell that it's wrong.
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>>9349268
Could you try - not OP but im interested in this. I often see 4chan completely misteprestented and misunderstood in papers journals etc
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Other literature in the common vein of:
>Beckett
>Kafka
>Pynchon
>Lovecraft
>Philip K. Dick
?
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>>9349173
That's pretty broad. What would you see as common factor in them?
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>>9349173
>Beckett and PKD similar in any way
???
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>Kafka / Lovecraft / Beckett
Dino Buzzati
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Did anyone else find it weirdly peaceful listening to him take Jordan Peterson to pieces on his podcast? I just listened to it again whilst looking out over my backyard, now I'm feeling super relaxed and happy
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>>9349078
i prefer ham sarris desu
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Why is anyone still talking about this?
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>>9349078
Yes. I usually find his podcasts peaceful, except that one time he became really angry with Omer Aziz. That was just funny.
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Are there any fiction books that explore the idea of the demiurge? i'm reading Valis by Philip K. Dick right now and the idea of the demiurge really intrigues me. I suppose elements of The Book of Subgenius deal with the demiurge as well. Help me out /lit/.
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>>9349021
Actually read the Nag Hammadi codex, the origin story in it is really interesting. Just remember that it's deliberately written to be understood by those already initiated.
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>>9349021
Does the Matrix have literature behind it? Especially the type that has the original ending.
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I don't know if this is up your alley, not really high literature, but the comic Lucifer more or less deals with that.
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The white hotel - D.M Thomas
So this was one of those books I picked up knowing nothing at all about and it blew my mind. The changes in writing just makes it such a wonderful book, don't want to spoil it for people who haven't read it.
I'm looking for other similar books but I can't really give any other examples other than The White hotel.
Recommendations?
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Come on people
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>>9348928
My man if it's not on /lits top 100 chart your thread won't get any replies. Don't you know how this place works?
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>>9348928
try this one!
I fucked up /lit/
I just won a short story competition intended for young writers in my state.
The rules say you have to be under 30 and also either living / studying in the state, or have your main home in the state and be studying or "on contract" outside of it.
The thing is I was born in that state, lived there for 18 years, all my family live there, my parents' house is there, but I have lived in New York for the past three years since graduating.
Am I fucked?
I already have my name and stuff on the website, it's going to be embarrassing if they have to announce I've been kicked out, it'll hurt my chances of being published in the future too. What the fuck do I do? Do I move back (there's barely any work)? Do I lie? Do I tell them now and withdraw?
There's another guy who won second place a few years back and he has lived in Mexico for years. I'm not sure how he he was allowed to win, but most people who win it or are shortlisted etc are living in the state still. Obviously I can't ask how he was allowed to win.
I'm freaking out.
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You're not going to win anyway so why worry
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>>9348904
Just have them send the check to your parents house and remind your deadbeat family that tampering with the US Mails is a federal offense.
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>>9348910
>I just won a short story competition intended for young writers in my state.
Nigga this is a literature board, read nigga
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Just become who you are
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Just enjoy my shitty philosophy because it sounds really romantic and mind-blowing
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>>9348800
his philosophy isn't shitty. he predicted that the western world would explode into terrific warfare and it did. he was the one who really seized upon and grappled with the problem of nihilism creeping through the western world. he is regarded by virtually as 100% of scholars on the subject as being completely brilliant.
but, i would love to hear your detailed criticism of nieztche with specifics about how you disagree with him and why. without that, it just sounds like you're a careless shitposter who has not read or cared much about philosophy at all, and probably has read little or no nieztche.
>>9348777
'a man has achieved maturity when he can approach his adult life with the same seriousness which he approached play as a child.'
i assert that you can not be said to understand nieztche at all if you haven't read his conclusions in his magnus opus, 'The Will To Power'. everything prior to that was rumination, his thoughts as journey to a conclusion, valuable as insight into the work that went into it, but not the final statement of nieztches investigations.
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What are some other good math based philosophers?
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If you claim to understand this man then you have completely misunderstood him.
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>>9348691
How do you know?
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>>9348764
One doesn't "know". One only "doesn't know".
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he's basically jsut saying you see the world upside down because ike oyur mind your subconscious flips shit to trick your ego into thinking it's actually doing something with the sack of meat it's clung to.
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>tfw finished another chapter
How's YOUR writing coming, /lit/?
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I've got four poems that are at least half decent. Might get 10, self publish it and give my girlfriend a copy
I full well know I wont sell a single copy to anyone
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>>9348561
Started the current book in last November, slow but steady daily progress, close to 193,5k words now. Maybe two weeks left on it, then I will revise another project before coming back to this one. My main issue is that I do a lot of first drafts and then forget about them, but at least I am realizing it now, so I'm trying to get better at that.
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I already finished my book over 6 months ago. Nothing happens when you finish a book. You just wasted a bunch of your time for something that no one will appreciate or read.
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I started reading the Pope translation of the Odyssey at the suggestion of one of the Greek guides and I'm seriously pissed off. His structure and syntax are all over the place, and I have a hard time finding a way to enjoy the writing because he's made it extremely difficult to understand what he's actually talking about. Before anyone says I'm a pleb, I've read Paradise Lost and Shakespeare and had no trouble understanding either of them. I have no idea what Pope was thinking or how to continue with this book. Very frustrated that I can't continue with the Greeks right now. Is there any way I can understand his writing better?
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>>9348530
Even Wilde hated Pope.
The OED might help you understand the archaic words he uses tho
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>>9348530
Pope's syntax is no more unconventional than Milton's. But, if you're really not enjoying it, then just go with one of the other popular translations (Fagles, Fitzgerald, Lattimore).
I am of the opinion that Pope's version is of such quality to make it worth your time to fully grasp its style and structure, but I understand if you have desire to.
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>>9348543
have no desire to*
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I've been on a mission for the past few months to read the Existentialist Philosophers. So far I've read Nietzsche's, Beyond Good And Evil, Kierkegaard's, Fear and Trembling, and I've started, but not yet finished Dostoevsky's Crime and Punishment. After I finish, I plan on reading Sartre. What do you guys think of the Existentialists? I love Nietzsche's writing style and ideas. Though, I disagree with some of his conclusions, mainly the will to power being our fundamental drive as well as the idea of creating our own values, I completely agree that we can't escape our subjectivity and that values are at the heart of our logical processes. Kierkegaard on the other hand did mental gymnastics for Christianity, and while I'm Catholic and agree the story needs reconciliation--if you believe the Old Testament, he did a poor job of it. Although, maybe it can't be reconciled. I personally dismiss the Old Testament. Anyways, what do ya'll think. Would love to talk Nietzsche with you guys.
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>>9348524
>Though, I disagree with some of his conclusions, mainly the will to power being our fundamental drive as well as the idea of creating our own values,
Why's that? I know you said you were a Catholic so already the ideas are prima facie incompatible, but why specifically?
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skip all them, read The Foundation for Exploration by Sean Goonan, you'll thank me later kiddo
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>>9348554
Well, you can't have a will to power, unless you are alive. Nietzsche had mixed feelings about Schopenhauer, and I do as well; however, he was correct about the will to life being the most fundamental drive for humanity. The will to power seems secondary. As for creating one's own values, me being Catholic dictates--as you said so eloquently--that we cannot see eye-eye on this assertion. I don't really have a good argument, if you discount God, as to why this wouldn't be true.
Although, it must be noted that Nietzsche himself concedes their probably is a God, we just cannot know what he thinks and what Thee's morality is, which I appreciate and agree with to a certain extent. I struggle to this day with some of the verses in the Bible, but for me, I believe in God. And since I do it then follows that their is a right and wrong and that it is my duty to find it out and live it. Christianity has built the best society's as its foundation, and I've had a few paranormal experiences where saying Jesus out loud really helped. Anecdotal evidence--I know. Take it as a grain of salt. Anyway's that's why I disagree.
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Am I stupid or is this supposed to be taken at face value? All I'm getting is some guys go to Vegas and get fucked up, is that all there is to the plot? I know there are themes, but they seem to be scatterbrained and hard to understand.
Also is this even actually good?
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>>9348487
It was the seventies, it's worth was that it was subversive. People meme it now because they watched the movie and think that liking drugs can be a feature of their personality. Spice'd
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>>9348487
It's pretty good and at he's fucking telling you the themes ALL THE FUCKING TIME.
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the part where they were talking about the guy who wanted to own a circus, and he ended up owning a nightclub in las vegas. that's the american dream.
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I'm a recovering alcoholic and I've gone through all the Bukowski I could find.
Any other suggestions for literature focused on those swept away with drink or trying to pull themselves out ?
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Patrick Hamilton - twenty thousand streets under the sky.
Charles Jackson - The lost weekend
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Marcus Aurelius
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>>9348446
It comes up a lot in Raymond Carver's short stories.
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Never read any Joyce, should I start with Dubliners or Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man?
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>>9348429
Dubliners, then Portrait of the Artist.
Though I didn't like Dubliners much at all (yes, pleb, yes, and so on), so if you're not super into it, just read the Dead - if only for conversation. Portrait is fantastic cover to cover though, and most would say a prerequisite for Ulysses.
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Start with Portrait, so that you know whose goddamn arm Stephen has in mind
Then give Ulysses a first try
Read Dubliners if you're curious of Joyce's early prose, but it's not a must
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>read eight stories into Dubliners
>read analysis of A Little Cloud
>realize I'm a brainlet
holy shit lads how do I understand all the shit in these short stories?