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Hi, /lit, /sci here. Is this legit?
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>>9350285
Possibly, why does it matter though? STEMshit is wrong regardless.
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Sort of. I don't know the context but she's a Lacanian Marxist so I imagine it's a case of three things:
>Sokal and whatshisface taking it mildly out of context because it's a great stand-up-knock-down strawman of a genuinely annoying phenomenon
>Irigaray saying some gnomic Lacanian shit about how "even in how our language and consciousness structures reality, we subtly do sexist things, like making 'hardness' a positive, or seeing weakness as inherently feminine" or some shit like that
>Irigaray being so trapped in her non-referring world of bananas batshit Lacanian jargon that she doesn't even consider whether this might really be TRUE, because if it's not true, "something like it" still is, or it's true "in substance" and she was only "speaking metaphorically" or "dramatically, for effect"
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>>9350300
Don't try to justify pure autism anon
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The Foundations of Critical Thinking 2017-04-07 05:22:26 Post No.9350251
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The Foundations of Critical Thinking
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Have you ever felt that you could comprehend the world better after learning, for example, thermodynamics, even in totally unrelated topics such as philosophy?
Have you ever noticed that patterns “of factual relationships” and the structures “of ideas/thought” seem to repeat themselves, at some fundamental level in science, philosophy, and even literature?
Have you encountered books or lectures that were substantial enough to affect your life by making “reality” more accessible, especially after thinking and applying its ideas? I’m talking about such an effect that it inserts “context” and “purpose” into your worldview, grounding yourself where one was formerly lost and inspiring yourself to investigate further with this new-found understanding.
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I think there’s something underlying, unifying factor in all of these observations, and I think it would be an interesting project for /lit/ to tackle, for the sake of developing our own wisdom.
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I hold the belief that there are certain fundamental “relationships”, for the lack of a better word, that unites concepts within disciplines and across all disciplines. This refers to both 1) the self-evident facts and the raison d’etre that grounds a discipline; and 2) the understanding that certain fundamental patterns—of logic, syntax, information, philosophy, mathematics, or whatever you want to call it—repeat themselves across all disciplines.
All investigations are a form of problem-solving, which means that unrelated disciplines such as psychology and literary theory share the same endgame of wresting some understanding from the world, with perhaps the possibility of some analogous relationships, though the building blocks may be of different qualities. I think that it’s plausible that there exists some basic, atomistic “units of understanding”, though I find it hard to define beyond intuitions.
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Now, what if there were a curriculum, or even a list of books, that could help somebody become acquainted with the various units of understanding, the fundamental ways that these units can form relationships to build concepts, and the relationships between different fields of study that can aid us in developing a deeper appreciation of the world?
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After exploring the nature of the intuitions that I've laid out previously, I'm hoping to create a list of 15-30 books, in a variety of subjects for the purpose of expanding understanding. There is much to be said about the usefulness of books if one isn't capable of digesting them appropriately, but I'm not interesting that discussion. If it's necessary to tackle several books rigorously and thoroughly in order to acquire their value, then so be it.
This curriculum needs to be a solid survey of the basic units of understanding, the tools required to understand complex relationships, and for bonus points, the underlying purpose for investigating and the questions that inspired investigation in the first place.
Sure, somebody could be born with this kind of "know-how", and most of us learn a great deal of this understanding through education and problem-solving in our own lives, but why put ourselves at the mercy of fate when we can take matters into our own hands?
I want this curriculum to be a crash course on increasing clarity and depth of thought, leaving autodidacts with the mental faculties necessary to tackle future challenges, making the most out of somebody's native intelligence. After tackling this list, one should be equipped to explore the world with comfort in their abilities to make observations, understand relationships, and contribute to the conversation of wisdom.
If this is even possible, I would also like to have this list of books be sufficient to achieve a cursory education for people looking to improve their knowledge beyond the dregs of their high school or college education. However, I need to keep the scope limited to the fundamentals. There are far more than 20 worthwhile books, and this isn't a definitive guide to "the best books ever". Some fields like "economics" may already require proficiency in basic fields like history, mathematics, and philosophy, so it would be redundant to cover include them. Only the bare necessities should be maintained for brevity.
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I'll probably have to kick off this thread with my own list. I'm trying to keep it practical while maintaining a healthy balance of breadth of subjects and depth of material.
I also aimed to minimize "ideology". That comes AFTER you attempt to interpret the world, whenever possible.
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>Learning Basics
How to Read a Book - Mortimer J. Adler
>Self-Regulation Basics
The Discourses - Epictetus
A Primer in Positive Psychology - Christopher Peterson
Thinking, Fast and Slow - Daniel Kahneman
>Thinking Basics
The Trivium - Sister Miriam Joseph
The Oxford Essential Guide to Writing - Thomas S. Kane
Creative and Critical Thinking: W. Edgar Moore
>Mathematics Basics
How to Solve It - G. Polya
Geometry I & II - A. P. Kiselev
Pre-Calculus - C. Stitz & J. Zeager
>Liberal Arts Basics
The Art of Fiction - David Lodge
The Bible (KJV/NKJV)
Socratic Dialogues, The Republic, & The Symposium - Plato
Music In Theory And Practice - Bruce Benward
>Social Science Basics
The Interpretation of Cultures - Clifford Geertz
Atlas of World History - Patrick O’Brien
Origins of Consciousness - Julian Jaynes
>Science Basics
The Character of Physical Law - Richard Feynman
The Machinery of Life - David Goodsell
>Social Skills
No More Mr. Nice Guy - Robert A. Glover
Improve Your Social Skills - Daniel Wendler
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This list is NOT the end-all, be-all list. There could be many other lists out there that are as effective or more effective. But I figured that I'd have to put my own skin in the game to get this thread off the ground.
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I suppose this thread will die again. Keep talking about Sam Harris, Slavoj Zizek, and Donald Trump again for the 20th time. I'm sure you'll be better off for it.
Did any reading this used to browse or enjoy /lit/ or /his/ but after pursuing or attaining an academic degree find it repulsive? This is currently the case for me.
The content, knowledge and generally the tone is incredibly uneducated and juvenile, I'd bet good money most users philosophical knowledge comes from a handful at most existential books and some wikipedia articles, the same holding relatively true for other disciplines.
The format of 4chan seems wholly unconductive to generating any worthwhile academic discussion.
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>>9350203
I'm just about to graduate with a degree in Linguistics. I hide and don't even bother to look at linguistics threads because I know I'll get intellectually triggered by them.
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>>9350203
I look at the other way. Discussions of philosophy in a university setting are juvenile, simplistic and overly dogmatic. It's basically 4chan level discourse IRL. The only difference is that here you're not paying five figures to have it.
College is for the slaves
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>>9350203
This isn't necessarily for intelligent discussion and not every one is going to have a good option compressor to your own. I feel the same as you. But we're here for memes and jokes about intelligent discussion. Soemthing most normies and dumb normies wouldn't understand. We're here for fun. That's kinda the point of life and exist in my opinion. Is to enjoy it and take pleasure. Don't be too hedonistic though. Always work hard to improve.
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Do you have an editor?
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Yeah.
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>>9350171
Ironically, adding the 'good' made the sentence worse.
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>>9350432
Ironically, adding the 'good' made the sentence a lot worse.
What's /lit/'s opinion of Herman Hesse?
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>>9350168
Fucking GOAT
Can't wait to read everything I haven't read yet.
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>>9350168
Started Steppenwolf yesterday and I love it so far. Other than that, I've only read Siddhartha which was very good and very accessible. Plus there's sort of a novelty to him because he seems very German, but with a strong "eastern" influence. I don't like to describe it in this admittedly stupid way, but it's unique.
>FOR MADMEN ONLY
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>>9350184
I started Siddhartha last night and am about halfway through at the moment. The language, even translated, is still very accessible and enjoyable.
Seems like this might be one of his lighter works though, because I don't really feel much weight in it.
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What exactly is wrong with this sentence?
In the story “x,” The Author illustrates the character’s exaggerated power that they possess, as well as their ---->misconstrued self- perception. <--------
This is my thesis statement for my paper I just turned in, and this is where I lost most of my points. His main problem was with the phrase"misconstrued self-perception." wtf is wrong with that?
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pls, I need to know
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Did he give any specific criticism?
It's not obvious to me what "misconstrued self-perception" is supposed to mean. Are you trying to say that the character is delusional?
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>>9350111
Probably wanted you to word it more simply, but I don't see how it would be hard to understand
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Jesus, slayer of the fig tree. 2017-04-07 03:36:39 Post No.9349995
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Jesus, slayer of the fig tree.
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The next day as they were leaving Bethany, Jesus was hungry. 13 Seeing in the distance a fig tree in leaf, he went to find out if it had any fruit. When he reached it, he found nothing but leaves, because it was not the season for figs. 14 Then he said to the tree, “May no one ever eat fruit from you again.” And his disciples heard him say it.'
In the morning, as they went along, they saw the fig tree withered from the roots. 21 Peter remembered and said to Jesus, “Rabbi, look! The fig tree you cursed has withered!”
What did he mean by this?
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the tree produced no fruit, got taught a fucking lesson. Dont fuck with the Jesus
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>>9349995
I'm a fig tree, and you are triggering my PTSD. Check your prophet-gendered privilege.
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>>9349995
The tree was a metaphor for your soul.
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I'm looking for well-written, fictional books about misanthropes, losers, introverts, NEETs, lunatics etc. who hate the current social order and want to overthrow it.
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>>9349963
one of the great Moliere plays is called The Misanthrope, quick read and definitely worth it. while we're on the subject i highly recommend FW Murnau's adaptation of Tartuffe, Emil Jannings is the greatest.
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>>9349963
my diary desu
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Can I read him in spanish? 2017-04-07 03:24:32 Post No.9349936
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Can I read him in spanish?
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I was planning to get the Julio Cortazar translation.
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>>9349936
He is better in translation.
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>>9349936
Some say that his is not the best Poe's translation. That Cortazar only did it because he didn't have money.
One of my old friends once joked: "y si no tengo dinero, puedo traducir a Poe".
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>>9349964
Quién traduce mejor a Poe que cortazar?
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>language cannot represent things as they are
>the structures of language are the structures of thought
>we can never conceive things as they are
>this limit can be approached through negation
>conceptions must battle and subjugate negations to bring the next conception, closer to the thing as it is, into being
>all things outside the ego are negations to the self
>we must continuously destroy that which is outside to be re-born as our true selves
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Man is a bee forever coming.
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>>9349825
Can't we just expand the ego?
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>>9349939
the ego is only reified in its fight
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What book will help me get laid? No PUA nonsense etc. thanks
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Books on lucid dreaming.
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>>9349728
/thread
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Models by Mark Manson
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are there any books on the topic of pic related that arent pop-sci? or do we have to wait another 10 years for scholars to get in on this action?
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>>9349624
pasquale or debord or crary's 24/7
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Philosophy has been writing about this for half a century and science is just now getting around to it
"Question Concerning Technology" by Heidegger
Society of the Spectacle by Debord
Simulacra and Simulation by Baudrillard
everything by Paul Virilio
Anti-Oedipus by Deleuze & Guattari
The Technological Society by Jacques Ellul
pretty much any critical theorist or post-structuralist deals with the implications of technology in some way or another
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http://www.vulture.com/2017/03/prestige-tv-signs-youre-watching.html
Awww, tv is maturing in to sterile and pretentious shit just like literature! Art forms grow up so fast.
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>>9349602
It's just another proof we're entering the age of pseudo-intellectuals, nobody wants to do actually anything intelligent but they are fine with tricking people into thinking they are coming off as clever, see Tesla Motors, The Big Bang Theory, Geek chick fashion shit, etc, etc.
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>Adorno diagnoses capitalism disorder
>capitalism continues capitalisming
>occasionally some retard proles go WAIT.. THIS DIARRHEA NUTRIENT SLUDGE HAS THE SAME LUMPS AS THE LUMPS FROM LAST WEEK!
>capitalism: "Oh sorry dude haha. Here, have a free lump variant #6 on me ;-)"
>THANKS CAPITALISM, I CAN ALWAYS COUNT ON YOU NOT TO ANNIHILATE HUMAN CULTURE
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>>9349637
Or Endless Joke.
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I've never read Ligotti before, is this a good starting point? Are his stories really similar to Lovecraft's?
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>>9349581
They have less to do with ancient gods, I would say the horror is more grounded, and in modern times. He does use flowery purple prose.
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>>9349581
It's a good starting point. I don't think he's really similar to Lovecraft.
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>>9349581
Start with Teatro Grottesco. It is arguably his best.
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Why do (((they))) do this? How can the publishers stomach using this shit on the cover of any book, let alone Ulysses?
Another horrible offender is whoever did the covers of the Wheel of Time series- shit-tier fantasy with somehow-shittier-tier cover art.
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>>9349574
That's nothing
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>>9349589
I'm vomiting
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>he cares about covers