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Who's the most overrated Roman Emperor? Who's the most underrated Roman Emperor?
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>>3134281
>the most overrated Roman Emperor
Julius Caesar
>most underrated Roman Emperor
Mehmed II
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>>3134281
Overrated: Marcus Aurelius
Underrated: Septimius Severus
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>>3134281
Marcus Aurelius and Tiberius respectively.
Tho it's pretty hard to gauge underratedness, cause most later emperors are downright unknown rather than improperly rated. I picked Tiberius because I've often seen him considered "barely better than Caligula" tier, which is really inappropriate, Sejanus' years notwithstanding.

Who are the Tywin Lannisters of history?
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The character he was based on maybe?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Neville,_16th_Earl_of_Warwick
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the Anglos, as a collective entity
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Louis XI of France was one sly motherfucker. they called him the spider.

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New BBC epic miniseries based on the Trojan War and the love affair between Paris and Helen.

Thoughts?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy:_Fall_of_a_City

Also general historical movie/tv show thread.
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Cast

http://m.imdb.com/title/tt5103758/
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>>3133643
Should cast Paris as Idris Elba desu
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>>3133649
That'd be pretty expensive, I don't think the BBC can afford it.

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ITT : nice pictures from events of /his/
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>>3129115
It amazes me how people can say America was the antagonists during the Vietnam War when events like this occurred.
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>>3129115
Nigga truly reached non duality

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In the context of world history, it is important to view imperial conquest as an investment. Powerful individuals within a culture (i.e. military leaders, nobles, kings, etc.) invest money in the development of a military infrastructure capable of fielding armies for conquest. Once the soldiers are recruited, equipment distributed, and the logistical structures necessary to supply the army are in place, the military force can be mobilized and sent into a target region.

Failure of the army to conquer a target means that the investment didn’t pay off, and those “investors” may or may not decide to try again. If the military excursion is successful, however, the leaders of the army may incorporate conquered provinces in an attempt to continuously extract material goods which will both pay off their initial costs and hopefully earn additional profit. The profits earned from the initial conquests can be used to fund additional military excursions which will hopefully reap more profit. This is the basic cross-cultural idea behind imperial expansion.

This is where the theory of diminishing returns begins to take effect. As an empire expands and gains more and more “capital” (i.e. money, resources, etc.), the sociopolitical complexity of that polity will naturally become more complex. For example, the Aztec conquests throughout Central Mexico resulted in the massive accumulation of material goods throughout the Valley of Mexico, especially in Tenochtitlan. This led to a population explosion, with the Valley of Mexico’s population increasing three to five fold over the course of 200 years.

The increased population required more resources in order to sustain, especially as the elite began to expand their influence throughout the empire. Even if conquest is halted, complexity will continue to increase so long as material goods are brought to the imperial center. Based on this model, continuous conquest is needed in order to sustain the empire.
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What is complexity and how does it increase?
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>>3108963
population, the income of that population, food production, infrastructure, housing, logistics, anything that involves a higher degree of social specialization really. Sociopolitical complexity is both a positive and a negative thing, it gives us more food, helps us cure or at least mitigate disease, decreases homelessness and unemployment, the most basic human problems.

The negative side of it is that, when a society becomes more complex, it's problems also become more complex.

For example, early societies often faced banditry and raiding. In order to stop this, many societies developed military orders and organized warbands in order to stop raiders and bandits from taking their stuff. Societies adapted in the face of a problem in order to help solve it. The problem with that is, other groups did the same thing. Thus we see the emergence of large armies, and the beginnings of complex warfare. As armies become larger and more complex, they require more men and materials to fuel them, and the only societies who could provide that were more centralized and authoritative. Ergo, complexity increases over time.
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>first you needed knowledge to get a job or a place in society
>then, you needed a school diploma, disregarding whatever you know
>then, an university degree, without it you'll find no job
>then a masters
>even so, to get a shitty job unrelated to your field, poorly paid and being a literal wageslave
>we'll reach a point where you'll need a Ph.D to work as a dishwasher
>literally wasting years, almost a decade to join the workforce and find it saturated and it's more and more demanding in credentials, the youth would be less likely to pick any job
>higher frustration, disinterest in society
>degrees become more and more theoretical and hypothetical, to the point there's a total disconection between "higher education" and real application of said knowledge
>literally learn more and quickier with a book or a youtube video than wasting a semester in 4 courses made up of 99% speculative theories and 1% actual knowledge to learn what the book or video teach
>nu'uh without a degree you are nothing and deserve no respect, you can't do math nor give your opinion about Aristotle if you don't have a degree in said discipline, no matter how well informed you are
>nu-uh you didn't take art 1-2-3-4-5 like me, the fact that you can do hyperrealist portraits by yourself me means nothing because I have a degree and Mr. Garrison, M.A., MBA, MLIS, MSc, Ph.D and Psy D. said my crayon drawing is cool
>Mr. Doe who did nothing on his life but dominate the art of passing exams and getting a PhD. without actually learning can say whatever shit he wants, even if totally absurd

Is the academia going to collapse at this pace?

>inb4 /pol/
You know well how will this end there
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>>3084527
Education bubble. Enroll students to get money. More students means more money. Education used to be that to get an education beyond basic schooling (i.e. reading, writing, basic arithmetic) you either needed to have the money, a benefactor or the drive to work hard and pay your way thus only a fraction could continue schooling once they got to, say, high school age while most people went to work in manual labor or artisanl trades. At the same time, education had long had a core curriculum evolving through Renaissance humanism, the Enlightenment, etc. that focused on being able to create a person who could think, speak, argue and observe the world in a rational and critical manner. Combine that with societies (historical, various sciences, literary, letter writing, etc.) and thought was allowed to flourish and develop.

It's elitist and snobbish to be sure but not everyone should, nor should they need to, have access to higher education. Likewise education needs to go back to a more Enlightenment influenced model revolving around creating critical thinkers and rational observers focusing on the classical liberal education curriculum and a jettisoning of a lot of the Marxist/post-modern bullshit like critical theory that serves only to tear down and destroy society as a collective instead of building up the individual.

And yes, the education bubble will eventually collpase. It's unsustainable as people continue to go into unescapable debt for increasingly worthless scraps of paper so they can get bullied and screamed at by minorities, women, effete "men" and bourgeois kids LARPing as Marxist revolutionaries.
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>>3084527
Its interesting that if you look at old college pictures the entire class of a state university might be less than a hundred people.

Regardless of what degree they got they were practically insured a high position in society, either in business, politics or an academic institution.

Even if the quality remains the same, more people means more competition so the same degree isn't worth as much
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>>3084527
t. butthurt brainlet who couldn't finish a degree

I have two masters and a phd therefore I am super intelligent so I know what I'm talking about

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Do you think it would of been possible to invade the UK between 1600 and 1900?

Were their enemies just never creative/dedicated enough? Or were they playing bullshit-mode all trough the age of European empires?
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Napoleon could have done it
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>>3148338
I don't know the details of his plans, but every time they come up the thing attached to them usually is something along the lines of "thank fuck he never did because it would of been a disaster'.
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From 1600 until the 1790s they could've used Ireland as a staging point, which Spain and France tried to do at various points

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https://youtu.be/AM0ezgtjoAM?t=59m54s
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>>3148295
I mean, it's better than force converting your subjects on the threat of death.

What's new atheism anyways? It doesn't have a tenet so can anything be considered new?

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At this point I think the only christians left live on Mount Athos.
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Wait did WLC do a debate on theology/apologetics with a Christian?

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>Classical Greece: Phalanx
>Hellenic Period: Macedonian Phalanx.
>Roman Period: Legions and the Manipular System.
>Early medieval age: ???
>High medieval age: ???
>Late medieval age: Pike formation.

How come there doesn't seem to be any infantry formation of note during the early bits of the medieval ages? It;s like infantrymen wielding various weapons are just piled into blocks of men, looking like a ragtag bunch of fighters with mismatched equipment and weaponry, with only the missile units having a separate body.
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>>3147809
Because for most of the middle ages cavalry were the decisive element

Hence why the medieval infantry formation you name was developed specifically to counter cavalry
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Consider the cost of maintaining and equipping a professional army; even today It takes a lot of the states budget. After the fall of the Roman empire, the imperial system of legions became unsustainable due to the small size of the succesor states, so the infantry was mainly composed of badly equipped, poorly trained levies and mercenaries. The heavy cavalry, on the other hand, became the main force in warfare until the development of pike and shot formations
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>>3147846

Absolutely false

>>3147856

What this guy said.

Horsemen were rarely used as shock troops en masse until around the first crusade because they were incredibly expensive and impractical for small time nobles to field. Hastings helped to transition military thinking of the time in that direction somewhat, but even then consider what impact the horsemen had on the battle - it wasn't until the later stages they played any role at all, and even then they were in the process of leaving the hill before someone accidentally memed King Harold.

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How black was Rome? I just read an article about how black Romans built Rome. I'm not sure what qualifies as black in this case I guess nubian? Maybe moores. I don't know. Maybe mediterannean people count as blacks these days. Please let me know what you know/think about this /his/
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>he doesn't know
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>>3147802
I want to start a genocide right fucking now, like holy shit...
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nothing personnel, europe

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>The Mycenaean economy, given its pre-monetary nature, was focused on the redistribution of goods, commodities and labor by a central administration. The preserved Linear B records in Pylos and Knossos indicate that the palaces were closely monitoring a variety of industries and commodities, the organization of land management and the rations given to the dependent personnel.[82][83] The Mycenaean palaces maintained extensive control of the nondomestic areas of production through careful control and acquisition and distribution in the palace industries, and the tallying of produced goods.[84][85]

>Trade over vast areas of the Mediterranean was essential for the economy of Mycenaean Greece.[83] The Mycenaean palaces imported raw materials, such as metals, ivory and glass, and exported processed commodities and objects made from these materials, in addition to local products: oil, perfume, wine, wool and pottery.[83] International trade of that time was not only conducted by palatial emissaries but also by independent merchants.[93]

Was Mycenaea the china of the bronze age?
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>>3147665
I'm pretty sure Shang China was the China of the Bronze Age.
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>>3147686
Pretty sure Shang China wasnt stealing jobs from good hard working Hittites.
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>>3147689
so?

So who do you think was objectively worse for the Jews, Hitler or Hadrian?
While Hitler killed more people, Hadrian destroyed their history and culture.

As a Jew who would it be worse to get killed by a drug addict or a flaming homosexual who fucked little boys?
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Persecution only makes them stronger.
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>>3147440
G-ds chosen people will prevail at the end
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>>3147440
The first shoah

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This is hard mode bois
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wasn't there like seven of them?
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do you have to use the term "redpill" for everything?
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>>3147093
whenever i see boy spelled like boi i get hard

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Why was antisemitism so commonplace basically in the thousand years leading to WWII? Why is it that in the current epoch it is relegated to neet far right shitheads?
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>>3147027
were not allowed to make fun of them, that's the allure of it all

its like swearing , your not supposed to do it
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institutional christian and muslim persecution

these days its because the far right are simply just stupid and paranoid
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>>3147027
Commonplace where and when? Antisemitism isnt an eternal global phenomenon but confined to different places during different times. To say that it is universal for the last 1000 years is simply untrue

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Was it brain damage? Why does their art look like the schematic stage drawings of young children?
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>Was it brain damage? Why does their art look like the schematic stage drawings of young children?

Crude instruments, age, and crude pigments is probably the number one reason for supposed "bad art" by Egyptians.

But, also, there's a lot of emphasis on geometry and composition as opposed to "photorealism" - like a lot of pagan art of the ancient era. Greeks also have this tendency in a lot of of their art where 2d images of gods/mythological figures are more geometric than realistic.

Also I don't think most of the Egyptian art is what you say it is - it looks like a lot of pagan art from the era.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBV89c0kMpU
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Egyptians just had a very strict canon of proportions thought to be acceptable for its paintings.
The best painters were the ones who were best able to follow that conservative model.
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>>3147175
This style of art was also very, very conserved. The classical mode of Egyptian proportion dates back to Narmer

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