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>*Blocks your path*

Name a more influential author of the past 200 years.
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>>9790345
>Name a more influential author of the past 200 years.
Brandon Sanderson
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>>9790345
Reminder the memelag archipelago is L I T E R A L F I C T I O N
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>>9790386
>blame the famines on the memeshit scientists
Stalin kept the Lysenkoist scientists relevant long after their expiration date because their ideas were proletarian, you fucking retard.

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Can you love someone you don't respect?
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ask your parents
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Can you love someone you don't like?
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>>9790302
Objective 10

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Max Stirner: The Ego and Its Own.
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the Bible
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>>9790237
yeah dude, i completely agree. people should read worthwhile stuff like peter singer that makes you a better person instead of le ebin meme spook guy
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>>9790244
Are you sure that you are not being intellectually limited right now?

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Holy shit that ending was messed up.
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>reddit
>the book
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>>9790121
Literally (literally) reddit
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>>9790347
>Reddit the post

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Post books you immediately judge people for.

>pic related
If you have this I automatically assume you're an edgelord
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What is it about that book that attracts such an audience? It does indeed seem that a lot of kids read it and think they're now commanders or some shit.
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>Harry Potter
Literal manchildren
>1984
"Wow Orwell was so right we're literally living in a dystopia now!"
>Atlas shrugged
No explanation needed
>The Bible
Gullible idiots whose personalities range from stupid to ignorant, belief in religion is the absolute lowest of intellectual judgement.

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Invited: classic environmentalists, anti-environmentalists, ecomodernists, deep ecologists, primitivists, luddites, nu-environmentalists, transcendalists, gaians, etc.

I consider myself a nu-environmentalist, however not an ecomodernist. Here is the nu-environmentalist starter pack:

Entry level:
The Rambunctious Garden - Emma Marris
Where Do Camels Belong? - Ken Thompson
The New Nature - Tim Low

Fully radical level:
The Balance of Nature: Ecology's Enduring Myth - John C. Kricher
The New Wild - Fred Pearce
Inheritors of the Earth - Chris D. Thomas

Accompanying literature:
The Mushroom at the End of the World - Anna Lowenhaupt Tsing
A Tree Grows in Brooklyn - Betty Smith

Basically, nu-environmentalists embrace non-native species and novel ecosystems, which arise from these species but also due to humans, like urban areas. Of course, even nu-environmentalists see the need to combat monocultures but they differ with the traditional environmentalists that original and untouched ecosystems are of higher value, and that such untouched ecosystems even still exist.
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>>9789981
okay..
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>>9789981
>Fully radical level:
Here's another:
Super Species: The Creatures That Will Dominate the Planet - Garry Hamilton

If somebody wants primitivist books I'm familiar with them, even when I mostly disagree with them, we can discuss why

I know some of the names associated with ecomodernism but am not familiar with any books, for those who do not know about ecomodernism, it basically argues for more economic growth and more capitalism

This is where I disagree with them, if maybe partly, and in that sense I'm more your typical environmentalist - though I am pro-nuclear for example, I'm also a bit of a moderate luddite
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>>9789981
When did the notion of systems intersect with the notion of "environment"? Why is it assumed that other living things lack qualia? Is there an environmentalism that unironically looks at all living beings as sentient? Also, how does vegetarianism figure into it? I am a biophiliac.

I'm retarded and don't understand what I just read.

Is part of the point that human life has begun to fragment into gradations (specials, lifeless and cruel people, android-hating killers) alongside the creation of new and imperfect android and mechanical animal life? I was expecting the androids to be more straightforward, with the point of the story being simply that people had rationalized using them as slaves and murdering them because of a technicality (not biologically alive). In the end, there were no straightforward good guys and bad guys obviously, but I'm still not sure how to interpret everything.

Who the fuck was Mercer? What the hell was that whole thing? Why did he become Mercer and barely notice?
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The Mercer shit got dropped from the movie and with old reason, it was a cool idea but didn't really tie in with a lot of the rest of the story.
Tbh I think the film really makes the entire "are Androids human" thing a big deal as it's not really a present theme in the book

Read Ubik or A Scanner Darkly for more mindfuckery
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>>9789931
Does the movie simplify the android situation or maintain the ambiguity of it?
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>>9790861
>>9789915

The movie treats androids entirely different than the book does, and Dick was not pleased with the few screenings he was shown.

In the book, he used androids as anti-humans, exploring the theme of humanity by juxtaposing it to an artificial counterpart. It's an old hat in SciFi, but Dick goes balls deep on metaphysical and speculative levels.

He stated in an interview (cinefantastique vol 12 no 5/6 - pic related) that he got the idea for some of the book during his research for The Man In The High Castle, going through old Nazi archives.

You'll get a good idea about what it's all about by reading his own words. The interiew is cited here:

http://wherenobloghasgonebefore.blogspot.com/2014/04/a-look-at-some-vintage-magazines-part-1.html

An equally recommendable read is his 1972 lecture "The Android and The Human" available in full here:

http://1999pkdweb.philipkdickfans.com/The%20Android%20and%20the%20Human.htm

>...an android means, as I said, to allow oneself to become a means, or to be pounded down, manipulated, made into a means without one’s consent—the results are the same. But you cannot turn a human into an android if that human is going to break laws every chance he gets. Androidization requires obedience. And, most of all, predictability. It is precisely when a given person’s response to any given situation can be predicted with scientific accuracy that the gates are open for the wholesale production of the android life form.

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Whenever an anime protagonist started ranting about morals and ethics I felt that his logic was either way to contrived or straight up retarded. I usually dismissed this as the translators fault.
But then when I read a manga from multiple different translators I once again met the the weird moral and ethics code of Japanese protagonists. I made the assumption that manga and anime are for children and adults do not care to put effort into rationalizing the characters behavior.
But then I faced western movies and TV series featuring japanese characters with dysfunctional beliefs.
Do Japanese people have a different school of philosophy and literature than us?
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You have to realize that this stuff is aimed at teens and failed adults, they don't try to go much further than some moral ambiguity about the character's actions.
There are more "mature" anime and manga series, but even they would feel lacking if you took it any more seriously than the medium is supposed to be.
I'm actually in the process of reading F/S N right now, and it's definitely noticeable that it is made for teens.
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shintoism + zen buddhism + confucianism + christianity + martial warrior culture + american occupation = ???
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>>9789810
While it is certain that it is aimed at teens and outcasts I feel completely estranged by anime and manga ideologically, its as if nips never heard the ten commendments... thats when it hit me that they probably never had! At least not during childhood when it mattered. Even if you come from an atheistic family you've probably heard of the ten commendments as a child but let's not get hooked up by those - there is a lot of philosophy and ethics hardcoded into the literature aimed at children, what is right and wrong is taught from birth but I believe that our right and wrong differs from the japanese right and wrong. How much though?

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Why should I listen to someone who cant even manage his own weight?
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>>9789756
unforunately he doesnt look like that any longer
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>>9789756
harold.. easy on the stairs
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>>9789757
a fat person will forever be fat on the inside

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>“Achilles glared at him and answered, "Fool, prate not to me about covenants. There can be no covenants between men and lions, wolves and lambs can never be of one mind, but hate each other out and out an through. Therefore there can be no understanding between you and me, nor may there be any covenants between us, till one or other shall fall.”

What did he mean by this?
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>>9789700
He meant he didn't understand the nature of God and the unity of Man. He chose to live by the sword, heedless of instruction wasted on him.
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He is stating that he is a hero and aware of that fact.

Other heroes are not aware that they are heroes ; Ajax, Hektor, Patroklus etc.
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>wolves and lambs can never be of one mind

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>Australian "literature"

You can't make this shit up. Aussies certainly couldn't.
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Which australian books have you read?
Any that you found tolerable?
I've got a book called the oxford anthology of Australian literature but it's pretty boring and incredibly dry.
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>>9789644
Peter Carey and Eliot Perlman are ok.
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If Patrick White were from a minor European country he'd be absolutely feted for his intense, atmospheric prose style, his works' subversion of 19th century narrative structure and his brilliant psychological portraiture (Voss reminded me of Tolstoy).

It's legitimate to say that Australian literature has none of the canonical heft of Europe's countries, Japan, certain South and Central American countries, India and the US, but there are still excellent writers to be found - A.D. Hope, Kenneth Slessor, Les Murray, Miles Franklin and others.

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Nick Land thread.

His speculative fiction is really good. I got it on kindle. If someone knows how to strip it of encryptions I can post it here...

If I submit bad data to the captcha will roko's basilisk eat me?
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>>9789321
He possibly will. There is another Nick Land thread active at the moment but the more the merrier.
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>>9789321
I write "nigger" in the captcha all the time so I'm probably doomed.
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Oh yes. Well... Chasm and Phyl Undhu... quite interesting both.

Chasm is a Lovecraftian accelerationist horror.

Phyl Undhu is the Sword Art Online of VR and mental extension.

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Thoughs?

Also suggestions for anyone who liked this?
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>>9789135
suck my dick bitch
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>>9789144
Liquid autism
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/audiobook/

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post ur fav nietzsche quotations
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"Hey! You! Yes, you! The one reading this! Please help, I'm trapped in this book! I don't know how it happened, but I've become trapped in my own book! It smells so badly in here. Please get me out!"

-Fredrich Nietzsche
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"I bet I could fuck that horse! Yiff yiff"
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>>9789020
To human beings who are of any concern to me, I wish suffering, desolation, sickness, ill-treatment, indignities--I wish that they should not remain unfamiliar with profound self-contempt, the torture of self-mistrust, the wretchedness of the vanquished--I have no pity for them because I wish them the only thing that can prove today whether one is worth anything or not: that one endures.

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So you think they just published without reading it and every one of their sales went to a person who didn't read it and not even the person who wrote it read it? Damn dude.
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I doubt anyone else has ever read this, it's very obscure
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At least post something out of print, lameass pleb.

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