John Milton is a far superior poet to Shakespeare. Does /lit/ agree?
>>7804304
No. All the crap with God and Jesus is boring. I wanted more Satan.
Does anyone have a download link to a Paradise Lost copy with commentary? Thanks in advance.
>>7804354
http://people.virginia.edu/~jdk3t/ParadiseLostIn10Bks1667.pdf
This is a copy of the book alone. Commentaries should be pretty easy to find online, but I don't know any particularly good ones.
what is the consensus the Malazan series?
They're trash.
A tabletop campaign setting turned into an overly long set books. Appeals to Asperger spectrum readers.
>>7804301
This
It also manages to lack the only good thing about fantasy; easy digestable entertainment.
obligatory
>>7804227
shut up fag
>>7804276
plebs get out
>>7804400
you're the pleb, so you get out.
Has /lit/ ever had a piece of writing or poetry hit them hard?
I want to preface this by saying I only enjoy a certain type of poetry.
But after listening to a reading of 'Ozymandias' by P.B. Shelley, I'm really blown away. How such a deep and powerful message can be conveyed in a few short lines is truly remarkable. And the poem's message still stands today, as shown by Adolf Hitler's Germany and Communist Russia.
Has any piece ever emotionally moved you in such a way, /lit/?
Bump for interest.
>>7804226
Mein kampf
I wept when Holden made tender love to Phoebe, finally consumating their love, at the end of the book.
Just finished pic. Loved it. What does /lit/ think? Would /lit/ recommend that I read more Ken Kesey??? What would you all recommend I read next?
Sometimes a Great Notion is over-written and way too long but still his next best book.
>>7804225
Graduate high school, kiddo.
Friendly reminder that /lit/ is satire.
>>7804224
Including this thread?
>>7804239
Including us two, Anon.
>>7804224
DELETE THIS
ITT: Terrible literature
>>7804214
You just revealed your own ignorance. Its horror, not literature, and its pretty good for horror
>>7804221
>Its horror
It's a thinly-veiled commentary on theory and the concept of representation. I hesitate even to say "thinly-veiled" because I'm not sure if it's veiled at all.
A great novel. A phenomenal debut. Thrillingly alive, sublimely creepy, distressingly scary, breathtakingly intelligent —it renders most other fiction meaningless. One can imagine Thomas Pynchon, J. G. Ballard, Stephen King, and David Foster Wallace bowing at Danielewski's feet, choking with astonishment, surprise, laughter, awe.
Hello lit
I need advice on writing :
I'm trying to write a short novel that is around 2500 words
I have an idea but I can't develop it that far
two ideas are
>people are in an office, describe office though specific terms, then there's a wolf in the office and they all lose their shit
or
>people are in an office, description of the office through specific termes, first person narrator goes to print something but starts finding tree leaves on the white floor, the whole office is turning into a forest, the boss has turned into a wolf, the office employees have become sheep, the narrator suddenly notices he has himself turned into a shit. Give no explanation whatsoever, forces the reader to interpret
I developed the latter in 650 words but can't do more
>>7804188
Im actually trying to write for a short story contest by university association
maximum is 2500 words but I feel like 650 words isn't enough
This sounds very Kafka-esque
>>7804188
>forces the reader to interpret
But how will I ever be able to understand such a complex masterpiece? What could it mean?
Go with the other idea. Or here's a thought. There's a wolf, it's described in a factual manner as part of the interior. Maybe it starts eating people but no one reacts appropriately until it has consumed them all.
Questions that don't deserve their own thread.
Not exactly /lit/-related but I imagine you guys will know the answer if there is one. Is there name for the fallacy (not even sure if it is a fallacy) whereby someone criticises another group's argument by saying something to the effect of "If they thought for two minutes about [insert simplified aspect of their argument] they'd realise it doesn't make sense" and in the process ignoring the fact that almost everyone holds fundamental beliefs that they don't question/interrogate on a daily basis (this second bit is the important bit of what I'm asking).
For example an atheist may say "How can a Christian believe in God when there's so much suffering in the world? If they thought about it for two seconds they'd realise it's a load of untrue bullshit blah blah blah..." whilst simultaneously taking their own atheistic beliefs for granted without ever really questioning said beliefs.
(fuck I've phrased that so poorly but I hope someone gets what I mean)
Okay. Here's my question that doesn't deserve its own thread. What are some cool hobbies/skills that you can learn which don't require spending a lot of money, and what books do you recommend for beginners to those skills?
For instance, the Royal Road to Card Magic and a pack or two of cards, and you're on your way to being a magician. You could also pick up the book You Can Have an Amazing Memory and learn some really useful memory tricks, which can be used for both practical and entertainment purposes. Juggling for the Complete Klutz, and a few bean bags or tennis balls (though you'll be chasing after those), and a couple hours later you'll be doing basics, and a few hours after that and you'll be doing some tricks. Or if you feel like you're not very charismatic, check out The Charisma Myth.
What other books like this can you recommend for me? I love expanding my repertoire.
>>7804479
Thanks for the book recommendation! I'll pick it up in the next few days.
Any of these good? Come on out, fellow plebs
Fuck off
this is clearly a take on man's complex relationship with his inner animality, between the necessity to live in a community and the desire to fulfill one's urges. The theme of metamorphosing hints at the way personality is not determined and eventually led to change but may refer as well to the notion of gender.
Definitely a modern book that also raises general questions like the division of the self but conveying it through a sic-fi context, that's clearly where lies the originality of the text
Or at least recommend something camp that isn't Pynchon
Give me similar books to the Tao te ching
>>7803923
The Enchiridion
>>7803959
I just listened to the audiobook. Thanks that was great.
Any more suggestions?
steps by jerzy kosinsky
>tfw you just remember the insecure teenager shit you submitted to your creative workshop class as a freshman in college
>tfw people say its good and you wonder if they're bullshitting you or not
Thats when I learned to always be my best critique partner. People will almost always just sugarcoat because A) They want to be nice or B) They lack the knowledge themselves.
>>7803828
yeah that's the point fucktard
you don't wake up and suddenly start writing good shit, you have to wade through an ocean of your bullshit first
>>7804040
My stuff wasn't just shit though, it was extremely immature and embarassing while some of the other 18 years old had some actual good stuff.
Half way through this...
It's beautifully written but the hardest thing to read... It's so terribly depressing. Every time he finds happiness in something it's taken away from him. The very first chapter of this book even left me with watered eyes... Will I end up crushed by the end?
The despair is just getting started, anon. Keep reading.
>>7803806
> Half way through this...
get the fuck out of here before you get this perfect novel spoiled for you
the ride has just began,i'm surprised it's even possible to stop at the middle of reading it
I just finished this today, I fucking loved it but it's super emotionalespecially when Stoner picked up his book in the last moments before his death
how many words a day do you write, /lit/? does having a daily goal even help?
>>7803745
A few hundred.
I make a goal of recording at least some coherent thoughts each day to keep in shape. It helps me stay in shape.
As for fiction, I'm in a rut right now.
So I'd say, on average, 500 words a day. 2000 on an exceptional day, which I haven't had in a while. 300 on a bad day.
>>7803745
you should read more than you write imo
>>7803753
if you read a book a month you still read more than you write
What does /lit/ think of this?
>My imaginary friends from Tibet told me the secret of everything.
Does anyone REALLY believe this crap?
>>7803705
Supposedly Tesla was given information by ayys. I want to believe.
>>7803709
Yeah...it's all based on events/encounters that can't be verified. It's no different than Joseph Smith looking into his hat at the 'seer stones' but not allowing anybody else to look at them.