Ride the Tiger
>>7835889
Mein Kampf
Schopenhauer's 'On Women'
Decline of the West
The Culture of Critique Series
Atlas Shrugged
Finnegans wake
Through literature I've been able to vicariously live the experiences of many different men from many different cultures, and this has taught me as much as anything else about 'being a man'. When the book is written honestly (i.e. not for commercial reasons), I often find myself relating to the character, gaining a better insight into the problems of my own life, and so on. So through a combination of my own experience and the writing of hundreds of male authors, I feel like I have a pretty good knowledge of the male psyche.
What books can help me to better understand the female psyche? I don't care if it's feminist literature or not (although I'll probably find it difficult to agree with any third wave feminism), I just want honest accounts of the experiences of women - the things they see and do, what meaning they attach to them, the problems that women have that men don't appreciate, and so on. Pic related is probably the first novel by a female author I've read since my YA days, but I thought it was crap. I'd appreciate any further suggestions because I'd like to read more female authors.
Middlemarch
Tampa - Alissa Nutting
Drinking Coffee Elsewhere by ZZ Packer
Interpreter of Maladies by Jhumpa Lahiri
Does anybody have any thoughts on canto 4
this is my summary
Dante wakes up due to the lighting, Virgil tells Dante to follow him as they descend in to the abyss and Dante objects because he think Virgil is there to confront him as well. They enter the first circle and there many are great historical figures. They did not commit great “sin” but were batisased or were born before a time of Christian. Those linked to god but born before the church are blessed and are sent to heaven Adam, mosses, able, Abraham and David. Lost people and live in “desire”. Dante feels pity for the great people that are sent to the first circle. The great poets and writers honor Dante and he was considering one of them. Saw great Greek figures and Brutus is in circle 1.
and my thoughts
This seems to be heaven for those interest in old literature and Dante seems to enjoy this circle of hell and oddly enough pity’s the dammed. Hell instead is not only for the morally reprehensible but the misguided even if that did not have a chance to know god. This is also interesting because he starts his journey to hell with something good and this may because it’s is subversive to the thoughts of the reader. Dante also purposely makes the conditions of the circles broad absolutes and questions the legitimacy of that system and therefor questions God.
“He made me enter”
Dante use the “made” in this sentence, “He” referrers to Virgil, this implies that there was some element of force but since Virgil is a shade he can apply none, however this could mean that Dante has reached the point of no return in his journey to hell and was forced by his circumstance and not Virgil himself.
(Canto 4 Henry Wadsworth Longfellow translation in 1807-1882)
*Is not referring to the Brutus that killed Caesar to but an ancestor of Brutus that founded the roman republic by killing his superior.
Brutus and his predecessor commit similar acts, have similar intentions but their results seem to be the deciding factor. Dante purposely put these Brutus on opposing circles of hell in order to show what “divine justice” gives propriety, God only seems to care about what results from the actions.
This raises questions to what Dante considerers homosexuality as most Greeks did engage in homosexual behavior, could actions negate sins, does Dante considered homosexuality the romantic relationship between men rather then sexual another possibility is Dante lacks a lot of information on the Greeks and is ignorant to this.
“Lamentations none but only sighs and this arose form sorrow without torment”
This could simply be boredom as there their eternal plane of existence is lack luster and uninteresting and it may be torment for such interesting people.
(Canto 4 Henry Wadsworth Longfellow translation in 1807-1882)
>>7835826
...brutus?
>>7835816
i mean what do you want to know about it? it sets forth the standard/recurring theme of the commedia that human knowledge, logic, reasoning, and striving, no matter how virtuous and accomplished, cannot propel one into heaven. only the grace and mercy of god can achieve that, as evidenced by the reference to the harrowing of hell in which christ came down to rescue certain figures from limbo. dante also sets himself up as the equal of the renowned poets of old - homer, horace, etc. - by conversing with them as equals, and perhaps also, sets himself up as their superior since he is able to progress beyond them.
ITT we come up with the premise of the next smash hit YA post apocalyptic novel.
Adults are all sterile so teens have to fuck but very few people will be compatible. If you fuck the wrong person you go sterile like the adults. To determine compatibility you have to do gay mazes / battle royals / gay shit with your possible matches. Meanwhile the virus / aliens / shadowy dudes are trying to make everyone sterile for some reason.
>>7835750
I would watch the film adaptations.
>>7835750
....
this actually sounds like it would sell. it would also encounter ardent resistance from fundamentalists/anti-lgbt factions, and the controversy would only serve to propel its popularity
goddamn someone get on this
Im looking for a book on understanding Chaucer. Recommendations?
Start with the Greeks.
>>7835567
Godammit, not this shit again.
>>7835567
>>7835573
kek
Can GRRM write without violence, death, and objectifying women?
Take that all away, and ASOIAF is Gary Gygax's futile attempt at literature.
His sci fi works are pretty good
man her tits really suck
Can Cormac McCarthy write without violence, death, and objectifying women?
Take that all away, and BM is a landscaper's futile attempt at literature
Has anyone read this book in Persian? I am using the Darbandi and Davis translation. Is there a better translation, in any aspect, available? How did you like (or not like) this book?
>>7835494
lol im not a fucking persian how would i even read it lmao
Hoopoe is best bird
I thought the syncretism between the pre-islamic Persian folklore creature and the Sufi conception of God was pretty neat - better than in the Shah Nameh where it just shows up and takes care of rejected albino children other than feeling royal.
>lazy NEET
>fucked over by Tarantyev the chad
>cucked by best friend
>watches all his dreams slowly fall away
no wonder this is one of /lit/s fav books
>>7835426
It's a great educational piece of the pitfalls of NEETing wrongly to be honest.
I am wholly satisfied with the ending, though the parts with Agafya was pretty sad
>>7835430
>NEETing wrongly
If anything it showed me that the only thing between me and seven naps a day is crippling depression, shame andan inherited estate
Anyone read pic related?
Thoughts?
It's a pulitzer prize winner by the way so if you guys haven't read it I suggest you do - you can find a free ePub somewhere online
>>7835378
[Spoiler]Was the man with the prosthetic lower leg that Volkheimer saw in the train Werner?[/Spoiler]
>>7835381good fucking god
I'm halfway through. Nice light read before bed.
LotR, although great, is still a generic good vs evil story.
>>7835369
On a very basic level, yes.
But there also the whole Germanic pseudo-myth stuff and Tolkien's fancy prose things and what not that make it so good.
>>7835369
>genre fiction
Poster 67268755 doesn't know shit about /lit/ apparently
>>7835369
Every story is good vs evil
Am I the only one who went into Moby-Dick expecting it to be some metal as fuck man-vs-beast story but then it turned out to be more about American national identity? Still a great book either way, but I feel like the way popular culture portrays the book is mostly based on the start and the end. why is this?
pic definitely related
>>7835360
>some metal as fuck man-vs-beast story
Are you implying it isn't? Lmao.
Also, god-tier album right there.
>>7835360
Because most people only know about it through movies.
Also I was about to write "lol at American national identity", but that book is so damn amazing and vast, you can pull all kinds of different diamonds out of it.
was gonna start a new thread but asking here seems okay
i'm looking for something masculine and metal as fuck, recommendations? this is already on my list
I'm researching this topic and currently compiling a list of interesting items (pic related).
Can you recommend some books in this area /lit/?
>>7835314
I've actually been wondering that myself. My big problem is that that stuff seems to loosely fall into the scifi genre and scifi almost never has beautiful prose. Anyone know an ARG book with beautiful prose?
>>7835318
Try 'The Institute'. It's not a book but a motion picture documentary about an ARG but the storytelling approach impressed me nevertheless(pic related).
I just started looking around and enjoy well written prose but am more interested in twisted plot settings or interesting storytelling approaches that mix reality and fiction.
It doesn't have to be science fiction... if there are classics that deal with that topic, I'd like to know too.
>>7835366
I guess Philip K Dick may work - he's not directly about games, but more about reality vs. virtual reality, Ubik would be the prime example.
Similarly, Stanislav Lem has a lot about virtual reality (he wrote a ton of unread non-fiction about it, too). Maybe The Futurological Congress?
The only two novels I can think of that directly involve virtual games are bad - Ready Player One (absolute wish-fulfillment trash), Snowcrash (outdated, cheesy fun).
ITT: Post some writing you're proud of and get feedback.
If the events of July 5 2007 were an isolated instance, my disdain could be (at a stretch) construed as excessive. Sadly, though, Douglas’s high-school reunion was a mere link in the chain of his exclusively reprehensible existence. We’ve communicated on regular intervals for the past five years, (If it weren’t for my job I wouldn’t have spent a single second in his company) and every chance he got he’d ramble on about the book he was writing; a subtle psychological novel about a suicidal author writing a subtle psychological novel about a suicidal author. With the biggest shit-eating grin on his face – as if he’d discovered some lost secret of postmodernism – Douglas would claim he planned to kill himself after the book was published. I’d encourage him to do it. I knew he didn’t have the balls. Aside from that it was more of an act of human decency than anything else. Even if we ignore the fact that poor old Dougie Dex couldn’t possibly be getting any joy out of his ‘life,’ (in quotation marks because I shudder to put his existence on the same level as my own) he’s an actively evil person.
bump?
>>7835286
*posts dick pic*
And don't just say Dune cause that's clearly the The Lord of the Rings of science fiction not the ASOIAF
Star Wars tie in books.
The Foundation Series
Gaskun's 15 volume space opera. God knows how bad it is tho.
I wish I was home,reading dubliners.
Which is dumb,because I have the book with me.But no time to read a chapter.
>>7835215
are you at a party or something?you should write a stream-of-consciousness narrative describing your experience afterwards
>>7835217
I'm in the city.maybe ypu are right.I haven't written a single word to my novell in 5 days.
>>7835215
I sort of understand, anon. When I'm on my commute or at uni, in my free time I read, and while I read I tend to wish I was reading at home with my feet up instead because I'm often distracted by other people's conversations and then I have to obsessively re-read the same passage over and over again; it probably seems like I am just reading one page for a good ten minutes when I read in public.